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  1. Day 15
    August 8, 2004


    Bodyweight: 198
    Sleep: 8 hours
    Food: 3500 Calories
    Blood Pressure Post w/o: 124/62

    Training

    Pullups
    198x10 (PR), 198x8,7,6
    Neutral Chins
    198x8
    Partial Deads
    315x5 (knee), 335x5 (knee), 315x6 (mid-shin)*
    *Strength increase noted by how easy it was to go much lower with the weight.
    Farmer's Walks
    110's x 3 trips
    DB Rows
    100x6
    Curls
    50x7
    DB High Pulls
    55x9, 50x2x10

    Observations

    Still hitting some PR's. My abs, chest and shoulders cramped up too much after the farmer's walks to do machine rows and bothered me doing curls also. No problems with pulling muscles. All pushing muscles cramping to some degree.

    Tomorrow will be my last day on M1T (tough for me to give it up!). The 1-Test transdermal should be kicking in within the week and I'll be adding M5AA as planned.
    Last edited by Cardinal; 08-08-2004 at 06:31 PM.


  2. Day 16
    August 9, 2004


    Bodyweight: 198
    Sleep: 7 hours
    Food: 4200 cals
    Training: Nope, sat on my ass and ate

    Day 17
    August 10, 2004


    Bodyweight: 203 lbs
    Sleep: 6.5 hours
    Food: 4000 cals

    Training

    Squats
    195x5, 215x5, 225x5 (+20 lbs, tough), 245x2, 225x4
    Leg Press
    360x10, 450x5, 470x5, 500x4(+10 lbs), 510x3
    Leg Curl
    85x3x7(+1 rep)
    Curls
    50x10
    DB Rows
    100x9
    Pullups
    203x6

    Notes

    I ate too much last night and didn't sleep well or much at all. Woke up feeling somewhat crappy and spaced out. Wasn't expecting a good workout.

    The last 2-3 days my joints have felt much better. I believe the 1-Test has/is kicking in somewhat. This effect was noted last cycle as well. When I got to the gym and started warming up the weights felt incredibly light. After this workout I am officially in PR range on the squat. I woosed out on on the 245 and didn't quite make depth on the double, stopping a few inches shy. The work at 225 was solid. I basically already hit my goal with this lift which was to workout with 225 consistently at a good rep range. Did I mention how good it feels to not have joint pain!

    Did a little pulling work at the end of the session and hit some PR's there too indicating nearly full recovery at the 48 hour mark after a pretty intense session. I have snuck in a few extra sessions and I think I may do this a bit more often. More growth opportunities.

    Stopped the M1T yesterday. Tonight I am starting the M5AA. I think I may go ahead and run it a bit more agressively at 50mg/day. Definitely feeling motivated about strength training at this point.

    -Cardinal
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  3. Day 18
    August 11, 2004


    Bodyweight: 204
    Sleep: 7 hours (solid rest)
    Food: 4000
    BP: 139/62 (kind of high for me)

    Training

    Incline Bench
    175x5(+5 lbs), 175x2x4
    HS Dips
    270x10(+10 lbs), 270x2x9
    DB OH Press
    60x8(easy), 65x5, 65x2x6(PR)
    Tricep Extensions
    30x12, 30x2x10(+2 reps)
    Laterals
    30x2x10(stronger)
    Pushdowns
    70x2x10
    HS Decline
    140x8, 140x7

    Notes

    Chest cramped up again, making it difficult on the inclines. I had a slight headache going into the workout and felt like my blood pressure was a bit high. Turns out is was a bit high! I took extra rest between sets and it didn't bother me much after that. I can only imagine what it feels like for some folks that get high blood pressure on M1T...that must be rather annoying and a bit dangerous.

    Training Addendum:

    I was fiddling around with my COC#1 Grippers. Got 13 clean reps with right hand and 12 shady reps with lefthand! I'll see if such progress continues. I want to hear the click of that #2 soon!
    Last edited by Cardinal; 08-11-2004 at 10:10 PM.

  4. Day 19
    August 12, 2004


    Bodyweight: 207
    Sleep: 6 hours
    Food: 3800 cals
    Preworkout BP: 124/61 (normal)

    Pullups
    208x3x6
    Partial DL's
    315x5, 335x4(lost grip, easy weight), 355x3
    HS Iso-Lateral Pulldowns
    200x3x9
    DB Armpit High Pulls
    50x9, 55x9, 60x9
    Curls
    55x6, 55x5
    Calves
    385x3x15
    Forearms
    35'sx3x8, 35x2x20

    Notes

    Woosed out on doing farmer's walks, and substituted some wimpy forearm curling movements instead. Felt strong on the deadlift. The 20 lb jump was a bit much to pull 5 reps with though. Felt good handling the 55's on curls toward the end of the workout. Goal now is to get to 70's. I usually make good progress on the pulling movements and I think I can make it close to that.

    I still noticed what felt like increased blood pressure in my head and neck region. I especially notice it when I lay down. That is the reason for only 6 hours sleep last night. I am back taking hawthornberry so maybe that will help.

  5. Day 20
    August 13, 2004


    Bodyweight: 210
    Sleep: 8 hours
    Food: 3400 Cals
    Training: Off

    Day 21
    August 14, 2004


    Bodyweight: 198
    Sleep: 8.5 hours
    Food: 3600 cals
    Blood Pressure pwo: 124/63

    Training

    Squat
    215x5, 230x5(+5), 225x3x5
    Leg Press
    450x8, 500x4, 450x7
    Curls
    55x7
    DB Rows
    110x2x7(PR),
    Leg Curls
    90x2x7(+5lbs)
    Calves
    2x12

    Notes

    Solid workout overall, good focus. 225 felt very comfortable on the squat. Good depth and overall control. About 5lb strength gain from last workout 4 days ago. My lower back was feeling a little funky presumably from the deads done day b/f yesterday. Leg presses didn't help that any either.
    Last edited by Cardinal; 08-16-2004 at 09:08 PM.
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  6. Day 22
    August 15, 2004


    Bodyweight: 197
    Sleep: 8.5 hours
    Food: 3600 Cals

    Training

    DB OH Press
    60x8, 65x4x7(+1 rep)
    HS Dips
    280x5, 280x5, 280x9, 280x8, 275x8
    DB Laterals
    30x2x10
    Tricep Pushdowns
    75x7
    Tricep Extensions
    35x7, 35x6, 30x13(+1 rep)
    HS Decline
    140x9(+1 rep), 140x8

    Complaints

    Cramping in chest very bad once again. Couldn't bring the bar down to do incline bench and barely managed dips after several failed attempts at doing a proper set. Decline again seemed to bother it least. I'll try first in routine next go round. Overhead pressing not a problem and progressing nicely still. That is my training focus on pressing anyhow. Looking forward to tomorrow's pulling workout.

    To deal w/cramping, I am adding even more K+ and Mg+ along with supplemental Ca+. Still shooting for 6-8 liters H20 ED.

  7. Day 23
    August 16, 2004


    Bodyweight: Not Taken
    Sleep:7 hours
    Food: 4000+
    Blood Pressure Evening: 124/62, same as always taken on different machine at Sam's.

    Training

    Pullups
    199x9, 199x8(no change), 199x8
    DB Rows
    100x7(no change)
    HS Isolateral-Pulldowns
    205x10(+5 lbs), 205x9
    Curls
    55x6
    DB Ab Work
    80's x 14, 12, 10
    1set Hanging Leg(make that knee) Raises
    DB High Pulls
    60x10, 65x2x7

    Notes

    First training session since day 6 that I haven't noticed strength increases. I was on a roll too. To adjust for this I am upping my cals to 4000+ for my next training cycle. Sleep has been good the last few days so I don't think that is the problem. If I don't notice anything from M5AA within the next few days, I will bump the dose from 50 to 70 mg ED.

  8. Day 24
    August 17, 2004


    Bodyweight: 200
    Sleep: 7 hours
    Food: 4500+
    Training: None

    Day 25
    August 18, 2004


    Bodyweight: 203
    Sleep: 9.5 hours
    Food: 4100

    Training

    Squats
    215x5, 230x2x5(tough), 245x3(+1rep), 255x1
    Leg Press
    450x8, 500x4, 450x8
    Curls
    55x8(+1 rep)
    Leg Curls
    90x7, 95x7(+5 lbs)
    DB Rows
    110's x 9 (+2 reps!)
    HS Isolateral Pulldowns
    210x12
    Weighted Crunches
    35x3x12
    HKR
    1x12

    Notes

    Didn't notice any quad cramping today. Chest didn't cramp up too much reaching to grab the barbell on squats as it has every time in the past. Good signs.

    No strength increase on leg work from last workout. That was a bit disappointing giving I felt great overall and definitely recovered coming into the workout. Pulling work still progressing nicely as it always does. I am using the biggest DB they have on the rows. Feels good. I really wish they went up to 150's as I really enjoy using the dumbells.

    I am getting a bit impatient and am bumping the M5AA up to 70 mg/day. Gonna see what this stuff can do at the higher dosing. When I run out of 10mg tabs, it goes up to 80 =D

    Shooting for 10 hours sleep tonight. Already hit my calorie total for the day. Bodybuilding is a tough lifestyle let me tell you.

    -Cardinal

  9. Day 26
    August 19, 2004


    Bodyweight: 202
    Sleep: 10 hours (mission accomplished!)
    Food: 4200 Cals

    Training

    DB OH Press
    65'sx7, 65x2x8(+1 rep), 65x9(+2 reps)
    HS Dips
    280x9(no change, tough on shoulders), 275x10
    DB Laterals
    30x12(+2 reps), 30x10
    Tricep Extensions
    35x2x8(+1 rep), 35x6
    HS Decline
    140x2x12
    Farmer's Walks
    1 set w/110's
    JM Press
    155x6

    Notes

    Almost all cramping gone! What a relief. Probably placebo, but I definitely felt more aggressive than usual and was able to crank out a few more reps out of nowhere. Methinks the M5AA is kicking in gear.

  10. Day 27
    August 20, 2004


    Bodyweight: 200
    Sleep: 7.5 hours
    Food: 4000

    Training

    Curls
    55x8(no change), 55x7
    DB Rows
    110x10(+1 rep)
    HS Isolateral Pulldowns
    220x9, 230x7, 230x6
    DB High Pulls
    65x2x7
    Forearms
    115x2x20, 135x20, +1 set w/40's
    Leg Curls
    95x7(not recovered)

    Notes

    Nothing much to report. Strength gains were minimal, didn't notice any increased aggression/focus. Only thing I took pre-workout was M5AA, no caffeine in my system. Trying to test out to see what effect it is having.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal
    Yes. They are the nature's own double fiber loaves. I just made a bunch of sandwiches yesterday and ate them while I was studying throughout the day. It comes to about 40 slices bread total.

    I am going to use more protein and fat meals today and skip out on the bread. Only major downside I have noticed so far is that it takes a lot of time to eat that much all day long. I am experiencing more soreness in my jaw than any other muscles at this point. Today will be my off day so to speak =D

    Do you think that the bread may lend to even more bloating?

    Your progress looks good. How much M5AA are you taking?

  12. Thanks for stopping in SJA!

    This is probably more information than you are looking for but...I think the extra fiber causes quite a bit of acute stomach distention (obviously), but nothing notable in the way of increased sub-c water retention. I have noticed significantly more sub-c water retention with the near 400mg 4AD I am using now compared to the 200mg I used in my last 1-T/4AD cycle. I 'think' I may be able to tell when I am getting too much estrogen conversion b/c I notice increase bloat and puffy nipples concomitantly. Now I am back to taking 10mg nolva each day, as I noticed more puffiness than usual once again. I have a strong feeling it is due primarily to the 4AD at this point.

    I think someone with a wheat intolerance would be more likely to notice extra bloat from all that bread. Compared to an equivalent amount of cho from another non-fructose source, I haven't noticed more bloat. A lot of people seem to pin excess sub-c water retention on fiber. I don't see by what mechnism that could occur. Rather it just seems like the fiber would draw more water into the colon, creating bulk that way and enhancing regularity.

    In addition to the 100+ grams fiber/day, I have consumed quite a few polyols that function as osmolar laxatives. I can handle up to about 200grams sorbitol/starch hydrolysate if I am careful. Lots of distention/gas but no sub-c water retention. I figure that is b/c they aren't as readily stored as glycogen etc.

    I am taking 70-80mg M5AA each day. I have some 10mg tabs from sledge and lots of 20's from cnw. I want to see if I notice an effect on strength greater than I noticed using just 1-T/4AD alone. So far, I can't say anything definitive. My strength gains were better when dosing 5mg M1T actually than now. My next training cycle starting tomorrow should be telling as to whether the increase dosage from 50-70+ will yield results.

    -Cardinal

  13. How are you dosing your M5AA? Preworkout or spaced throughout the day? I found that if I took 20mg in the morning (~8 hours pre-workout) and then another 40mg about 1.25 hours pre-workout that I noticed strength and agressiveness in the gym....far more than just 30-40mg preworkout.

  14. Interesting. I have been taking 20mg first thing in the morning and 30mg about 20 minutes pre-workout. I take a final dose or two in the evening to make up the total. Maybe I should try it more like 1 hour preworkout? I'll try that to see if there is an effect one way or another. Can't hurt.

  15. Can't wait to hear how that goes, I am debating the two ways of taking it when I start in a week or two.

  16. I experimented with different dosages based on feedback. I realize that everyone is different...and I really believe that day to day...we may all experience differences even with like dosages within ourselves. So, I started with what seemed to be the standard - 30mg P/W. The mean definition of P/W to me at the time was 30min. I would rely on my workout parnter's comments (he didn't know about my experiment) on my strength. I just remembered one day him saying "Jesus....where did you that come from?". I looked at the clock and I was about 1 hour and 45 minutes post dosing. The next day I payed closer attention and it was between 1:30 and 1:45. The following day or two was at the 2 hour mark. A couple of days it was around the 1 hour mark. So it varied a bit day to day. Since it seemed to give me a 2 hour window, I just stayed with 1:15. If it hit sooner then I would go like mad. If I didn't feel it right away, I would slow my workout cadence a tad to give it time.

    One note: I was dieting (leaning) so I was in a caloric deficit. Sleep was a factor (or lack there of) and so was carb cycling. I also noticed that the aggressiveness and strength wasn't as apparent on low carb days. This may explain the variance in time as well (looking back this is my theory....I didn't think about it at the time).

    Also, when I started taking it in the AM, the feeling of agressiveness was not as apparent as just doing a P/W dosing. This may be due to the fact that I was already a little rambunctious and the gradient in mood wasn't as large. My strength still came though and the point of splitting doses was to maintain the DHT and hardening aspects of the compound.

    Just some feedback for you to ponder

  17. Thanks for sharing your experiences SJA. I agree individual differences play a big role. I noticed a substantial increase in strength today. Took 40mg M5AA, almost exactly 1 hour preworkout and I felt stronger warming up onwards. To be objective, I should also note I took 100mg caffeine and roughly 8 mg E HCL about 3 hours before training. I could still feel the effects. I was stronger on literally every lift I attempted today, so I think it was more than likely the M5AA at work or more accurately the combo of 1-T/4AD/M5AA.

    Regarding the agression, I am normally an incredibly calm person. I never get very fired up over anything. Today was no different. I calmly and methodically waded through each set, just focusing on good form and trying my best not to get injured with the heavier weights. Maybe I will try listening to some music ahead of time to see if that has an effect lol. Maybe some nice mozart or elevator music. That'll do it.

  18. Day 29
    August 22, 2004


    Bodyweight: Not taken
    Sleep: 8 hours
    Food: 3600 Cals

    Training

    Squats
    215x4, 235x3x5(+5 lbs!), 245x3, 260x1(+5 lbs)
    Calf Presses
    540x2xlots
    Leg Press
    460x8(+10 lbs)
    Leg Curls
    100x7(+5 lbs)
    Curls
    55x9(+1 rep)
    HS Isolateral Pulldowns
    235x9(+5lbs and +2 reps)
    DB Rows
    110x10(need heavier DB's)

    Notes

    Stronger.

  19. Day 30
    August 23, 2004


    Bodyweight: 201
    Sleep: 9 hours
    Food: 3500 cals

    Training

    *Took M5AA, 20mg rising, 40mg exactly 1 hour preworkout, workout lasted 1 hour, 15 minutes. As usual, rest breaks were 3-5 minutes to max out strength potential. You can assume this for most of my training throughout this log (past and future unless otherwise noted).

    Edit: I should also note I took ~8mg E HCL and 100mg caffeine in the form of green tea at 7:30 am, 2.5 hours preworkout.

    Total work sets today: 12

    DB OH Press
    60x8, 70x6, 70x7(failure), 70x6, 80x1(max, lol)
    HS Dips
    275x10, 285x10(+5 lbs)
    DB Laterals
    35x2x7(PR, first time using 35's appreciably)
    Tricep Extensions
    35x2x9(+1 rep)
    HS Decline
    160x2x8

    Notes

    I established a good baseline to work with for using the heavier DB's for OH Pressing. Strength gain seems appreciable. I did the 80lbers as the very last set of my workout. As a general note, I am seeing what I predicted regarding overhead pressing strength versus vertical pressing(more triceps work). Namely, I am progressing much faster OH pressing than I could/would with flat presses. I tried two separate tricep exercises. Though I was stronger, the increase in OH pressing was much more notable. As long as my shoulder doesn't give me crap, dips are treating me nicely now. HS dipmachine is a godsend.

    BW has been holding stead around the 200 mark. Probably due to consistent diet (trying not to bloat up too much) as well as the combo of M5AA, nolvadex at 10+mg/ED, and 1-T. I noted similar leaning out effects from 1-T last cycle.

    Reality check. I have a bit under two weeks remaining in cycle. I am going to carefully aim for getting stronger with a bit more mass to top off the cycle. Now that things are rolling, I am really curious how the strength gains of high dose M5AA will compare to the measly 5mg M1T. So far the M1T is winning out but not by a lot. I definitely don't miss the nasty sides. Going with the notion of lean gains, I am going to lower the dose of 4AD to 200mg/ED. Puffiness should essentially go away. Very little remains now after more nolva. At some point, probably at the very end of the diet I will drop out 4AD entirely and take a few days to purposefully dry out. That way I can at least give a ballpark estimate within a few pounds accuracy regarding gains. For the duration of the cycle, I am planning to cycle calories b/w 3500-4000, taking into account that I will probably overeat on some days. Hoping to average about 3800, which would be roughly 20xbw assuming I could deplete down to about 190 now.
    Last edited by Cardinal; 08-23-2004 at 05:17 PM.

  20. Day 31
    August 24, 2004


    Bodyweight: 200 lbs
    Sleep: 4 hours
    Food: 4000 planned

    Training:

    Took 100mg caffeine and 40 mg M5AA pre-workout. Couldn't sleep last night. Bad insomnia and was up from 2:15 onwards. Rested for about an hour before training. Helped a bit. Ate some protein at night.

    HS Isolateral Pulldowns
    240x9, 245x7, 250x6, 260x5(failure)*

    *Ridiculously pleased with the strength increase here. After last night's debacle I definitely feel I didn't deserve it. Waiting 1 hour or so to workout after taking it may be having an effect. The other possibility is that it has just taken this long to kick in. I am hoping the former, but will take either explanation. It could also have something to do with motor learning on this particular exercise since it is 'sort of' new to me. Doesn't seem so different than chins though except that the Newtons are distributed more evenly throughout the range of motion. Mark of a well-designed machine if you ask me.

    DB High Pulls
    65x9, 70x8, 80x6, 70x7(+5, hit failure)
    Curls
    55x9(no change), 60x4(lol)
    Forearms
    155x3x15(bb behind back), 40'sx2x9(hammers)
    HS Low Rows
    240x10(tons of cheating here)

    Notes

    Some funds have been transfered over to CNW. Methinks I have found a compound I like! Can't pin any other side effects to it yet either.

  21. Day 32
    August 25, 2004


    Food: 4500 calories (ok so a little overboard)
    Sleep: 7 hours (will do better tonight)

    Training: off day, decided to lift anyways.

    DB OH Press
    65x7, 70x2x7, 80x1(failed on 2nd)
    DB Laterals
    35x8(+1 rep), 35x9(+2 reps)
    Tricep Extensions
    35x11(+2 reps, failure), 35x10(+1 rep)
    Pushdowns
    75x2x9(+5lbs and 2 reps since 8/15)
    HS Decline
    160x9(+1 rep), 160x8

    Notes

    Felt recovered so I figured why not go in and train a little. Shoulders were definitely fully recovered as I was considerably stronger. Got on the HS Dip machine to warm up but it didn't feel good at all. Body/joints need rest from dips. Muscles and cns recovered fine though.

    Felt a bit more aggression than normal both in and out of the gym. Vascularity/muscle hardness was visibly apparent. Not really sure if this is a new development or not, but if it is, I am noting almost all of the typical sides of M5AA that most users report.

  22. Day 33
    August 26, 2004


    Food: 4000
    Sleep: 9 hours

    Training:

    Squats
    215x4, 240x5, 240x3x4(all tough)
    Leg Press
    470x7, 450x9(+1), 450x8
    Curls
    55x9
    DB Rows
    110x9(-1)
    Leg Curls
    100x8(failure, +1)
    Partial Deads
    275x10, 295x9(good ROM)

    Notes

    A bit stronger. Nothing remarkable. Gonna hold on the squats and work with 240 again next time before bumping. Wasn't nearly as solid on that as I would have liked. Been a while since I added partial(sldl) deads in there. Definitely left me exhausted, leg shaking something crazy at the end.

  23. sweet thanks for the constant updates..definately a great log to read

  24. You are welcome keith! Glad to see others are benefiting from reading it. There are quite a few really good logs here at AM and more useful info in general on ph/ps than on any other board. It is a great feeling to be a part of testing out some of these relatively new compounds.
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