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  1. Day 22
    August 15, 2004


    Bodyweight: 197
    Sleep: 8.5 hours
    Food: 3600 Cals

    Training

    DB OH Press
    60x8, 65x4x7(+1 rep)
    HS Dips
    280x5, 280x5, 280x9, 280x8, 275x8
    DB Laterals
    30x2x10
    Tricep Pushdowns
    75x7
    Tricep Extensions
    35x7, 35x6, 30x13(+1 rep)
    HS Decline
    140x9(+1 rep), 140x8

    Complaints

    Cramping in chest very bad once again. Couldn't bring the bar down to do incline bench and barely managed dips after several failed attempts at doing a proper set. Decline again seemed to bother it least. I'll try first in routine next go round. Overhead pressing not a problem and progressing nicely still. That is my training focus on pressing anyhow. Looking forward to tomorrow's pulling workout.

    To deal w/cramping, I am adding even more K+ and Mg+ along with supplemental Ca+. Still shooting for 6-8 liters H20 ED.


  2. Day 23
    August 16, 2004


    Bodyweight: Not Taken
    Sleep:7 hours
    Food: 4000+
    Blood Pressure Evening: 124/62, same as always taken on different machine at Sam's.

    Training

    Pullups
    199x9, 199x8(no change), 199x8
    DB Rows
    100x7(no change)
    HS Isolateral-Pulldowns
    205x10(+5 lbs), 205x9
    Curls
    55x6
    DB Ab Work
    80's x 14, 12, 10
    1set Hanging Leg(make that knee) Raises
    DB High Pulls
    60x10, 65x2x7

    Notes

    First training session since day 6 that I haven't noticed strength increases. I was on a roll too. To adjust for this I am upping my cals to 4000+ for my next training cycle. Sleep has been good the last few days so I don't think that is the problem. If I don't notice anything from M5AA within the next few days, I will bump the dose from 50 to 70 mg ED.
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  3. Day 24
    August 17, 2004


    Bodyweight: 200
    Sleep: 7 hours
    Food: 4500+
    Training: None

    Day 25
    August 18, 2004


    Bodyweight: 203
    Sleep: 9.5 hours
    Food: 4100

    Training

    Squats
    215x5, 230x2x5(tough), 245x3(+1rep), 255x1
    Leg Press
    450x8, 500x4, 450x8
    Curls
    55x8(+1 rep)
    Leg Curls
    90x7, 95x7(+5 lbs)
    DB Rows
    110's x 9 (+2 reps!)
    HS Isolateral Pulldowns
    210x12
    Weighted Crunches
    35x3x12
    HKR
    1x12

    Notes

    Didn't notice any quad cramping today. Chest didn't cramp up too much reaching to grab the barbell on squats as it has every time in the past. Good signs.

    No strength increase on leg work from last workout. That was a bit disappointing giving I felt great overall and definitely recovered coming into the workout. Pulling work still progressing nicely as it always does. I am using the biggest DB they have on the rows. Feels good. I really wish they went up to 150's as I really enjoy using the dumbells.

    I am getting a bit impatient and am bumping the M5AA up to 70 mg/day. Gonna see what this stuff can do at the higher dosing. When I run out of 10mg tabs, it goes up to 80 =D

    Shooting for 10 hours sleep tonight. Already hit my calorie total for the day. Bodybuilding is a tough lifestyle let me tell you.

    -Cardinal

  4. Day 26
    August 19, 2004


    Bodyweight: 202
    Sleep: 10 hours (mission accomplished!)
    Food: 4200 Cals

    Training

    DB OH Press
    65'sx7, 65x2x8(+1 rep), 65x9(+2 reps)
    HS Dips
    280x9(no change, tough on shoulders), 275x10
    DB Laterals
    30x12(+2 reps), 30x10
    Tricep Extensions
    35x2x8(+1 rep), 35x6
    HS Decline
    140x2x12
    Farmer's Walks
    1 set w/110's
    JM Press
    155x6

    Notes

    Almost all cramping gone! What a relief. Probably placebo, but I definitely felt more aggressive than usual and was able to crank out a few more reps out of nowhere. Methinks the M5AA is kicking in gear.

  5. Day 27
    August 20, 2004


    Bodyweight: 200
    Sleep: 7.5 hours
    Food: 4000

    Training

    Curls
    55x8(no change), 55x7
    DB Rows
    110x10(+1 rep)
    HS Isolateral Pulldowns
    220x9, 230x7, 230x6
    DB High Pulls
    65x2x7
    Forearms
    115x2x20, 135x20, +1 set w/40's
    Leg Curls
    95x7(not recovered)

    Notes

    Nothing much to report. Strength gains were minimal, didn't notice any increased aggression/focus. Only thing I took pre-workout was M5AA, no caffeine in my system. Trying to test out to see what effect it is having.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal
    Yes. They are the nature's own double fiber loaves. I just made a bunch of sandwiches yesterday and ate them while I was studying throughout the day. It comes to about 40 slices bread total.

    I am going to use more protein and fat meals today and skip out on the bread. Only major downside I have noticed so far is that it takes a lot of time to eat that much all day long. I am experiencing more soreness in my jaw than any other muscles at this point. Today will be my off day so to speak =D

    Do you think that the bread may lend to even more bloating?

    Your progress looks good. How much M5AA are you taking?

  7. Thanks for stopping in SJA!

    This is probably more information than you are looking for but...I think the extra fiber causes quite a bit of acute stomach distention (obviously), but nothing notable in the way of increased sub-c water retention. I have noticed significantly more sub-c water retention with the near 400mg 4AD I am using now compared to the 200mg I used in my last 1-T/4AD cycle. I 'think' I may be able to tell when I am getting too much estrogen conversion b/c I notice increase bloat and puffy nipples concomitantly. Now I am back to taking 10mg nolva each day, as I noticed more puffiness than usual once again. I have a strong feeling it is due primarily to the 4AD at this point.

    I think someone with a wheat intolerance would be more likely to notice extra bloat from all that bread. Compared to an equivalent amount of cho from another non-fructose source, I haven't noticed more bloat. A lot of people seem to pin excess sub-c water retention on fiber. I don't see by what mechnism that could occur. Rather it just seems like the fiber would draw more water into the colon, creating bulk that way and enhancing regularity.

    In addition to the 100+ grams fiber/day, I have consumed quite a few polyols that function as osmolar laxatives. I can handle up to about 200grams sorbitol/starch hydrolysate if I am careful. Lots of distention/gas but no sub-c water retention. I figure that is b/c they aren't as readily stored as glycogen etc.

    I am taking 70-80mg M5AA each day. I have some 10mg tabs from sledge and lots of 20's from cnw. I want to see if I notice an effect on strength greater than I noticed using just 1-T/4AD alone. So far, I can't say anything definitive. My strength gains were better when dosing 5mg M1T actually than now. My next training cycle starting tomorrow should be telling as to whether the increase dosage from 50-70+ will yield results.

    -Cardinal

  8. How are you dosing your M5AA? Preworkout or spaced throughout the day? I found that if I took 20mg in the morning (~8 hours pre-workout) and then another 40mg about 1.25 hours pre-workout that I noticed strength and agressiveness in the gym....far more than just 30-40mg preworkout.

  9. Interesting. I have been taking 20mg first thing in the morning and 30mg about 20 minutes pre-workout. I take a final dose or two in the evening to make up the total. Maybe I should try it more like 1 hour preworkout? I'll try that to see if there is an effect one way or another. Can't hurt.

  10. Can't wait to hear how that goes, I am debating the two ways of taking it when I start in a week or two.
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  11. I experimented with different dosages based on feedback. I realize that everyone is different...and I really believe that day to day...we may all experience differences even with like dosages within ourselves. So, I started with what seemed to be the standard - 30mg P/W. The mean definition of P/W to me at the time was 30min. I would rely on my workout parnter's comments (he didn't know about my experiment) on my strength. I just remembered one day him saying "Jesus....where did you that come from?". I looked at the clock and I was about 1 hour and 45 minutes post dosing. The next day I payed closer attention and it was between 1:30 and 1:45. The following day or two was at the 2 hour mark. A couple of days it was around the 1 hour mark. So it varied a bit day to day. Since it seemed to give me a 2 hour window, I just stayed with 1:15. If it hit sooner then I would go like mad. If I didn't feel it right away, I would slow my workout cadence a tad to give it time.

    One note: I was dieting (leaning) so I was in a caloric deficit. Sleep was a factor (or lack there of) and so was carb cycling. I also noticed that the aggressiveness and strength wasn't as apparent on low carb days. This may explain the variance in time as well (looking back this is my theory....I didn't think about it at the time).

    Also, when I started taking it in the AM, the feeling of agressiveness was not as apparent as just doing a P/W dosing. This may be due to the fact that I was already a little rambunctious and the gradient in mood wasn't as large. My strength still came though and the point of splitting doses was to maintain the DHT and hardening aspects of the compound.

    Just some feedback for you to ponder

  12. Thanks for sharing your experiences SJA. I agree individual differences play a big role. I noticed a substantial increase in strength today. Took 40mg M5AA, almost exactly 1 hour preworkout and I felt stronger warming up onwards. To be objective, I should also note I took 100mg caffeine and roughly 8 mg E HCL about 3 hours before training. I could still feel the effects. I was stronger on literally every lift I attempted today, so I think it was more than likely the M5AA at work or more accurately the combo of 1-T/4AD/M5AA.

    Regarding the agression, I am normally an incredibly calm person. I never get very fired up over anything. Today was no different. I calmly and methodically waded through each set, just focusing on good form and trying my best not to get injured with the heavier weights. Maybe I will try listening to some music ahead of time to see if that has an effect lol. Maybe some nice mozart or elevator music. That'll do it.

  13. Day 29
    August 22, 2004


    Bodyweight: Not taken
    Sleep: 8 hours
    Food: 3600 Cals

    Training

    Squats
    215x4, 235x3x5(+5 lbs!), 245x3, 260x1(+5 lbs)
    Calf Presses
    540x2xlots
    Leg Press
    460x8(+10 lbs)
    Leg Curls
    100x7(+5 lbs)
    Curls
    55x9(+1 rep)
    HS Isolateral Pulldowns
    235x9(+5lbs and +2 reps)
    DB Rows
    110x10(need heavier DB's)

    Notes

    Stronger.

  14. Day 30
    August 23, 2004


    Bodyweight: 201
    Sleep: 9 hours
    Food: 3500 cals

    Training

    *Took M5AA, 20mg rising, 40mg exactly 1 hour preworkout, workout lasted 1 hour, 15 minutes. As usual, rest breaks were 3-5 minutes to max out strength potential. You can assume this for most of my training throughout this log (past and future unless otherwise noted).

    Edit: I should also note I took ~8mg E HCL and 100mg caffeine in the form of green tea at 7:30 am, 2.5 hours preworkout.

    Total work sets today: 12

    DB OH Press
    60x8, 70x6, 70x7(failure), 70x6, 80x1(max, lol)
    HS Dips
    275x10, 285x10(+5 lbs)
    DB Laterals
    35x2x7(PR, first time using 35's appreciably)
    Tricep Extensions
    35x2x9(+1 rep)
    HS Decline
    160x2x8

    Notes

    I established a good baseline to work with for using the heavier DB's for OH Pressing. Strength gain seems appreciable. I did the 80lbers as the very last set of my workout. As a general note, I am seeing what I predicted regarding overhead pressing strength versus vertical pressing(more triceps work). Namely, I am progressing much faster OH pressing than I could/would with flat presses. I tried two separate tricep exercises. Though I was stronger, the increase in OH pressing was much more notable. As long as my shoulder doesn't give me crap, dips are treating me nicely now. HS dipmachine is a godsend.

    BW has been holding stead around the 200 mark. Probably due to consistent diet (trying not to bloat up too much) as well as the combo of M5AA, nolvadex at 10+mg/ED, and 1-T. I noted similar leaning out effects from 1-T last cycle.

    Reality check. I have a bit under two weeks remaining in cycle. I am going to carefully aim for getting stronger with a bit more mass to top off the cycle. Now that things are rolling, I am really curious how the strength gains of high dose M5AA will compare to the measly 5mg M1T. So far the M1T is winning out but not by a lot. I definitely don't miss the nasty sides. Going with the notion of lean gains, I am going to lower the dose of 4AD to 200mg/ED. Puffiness should essentially go away. Very little remains now after more nolva. At some point, probably at the very end of the diet I will drop out 4AD entirely and take a few days to purposefully dry out. That way I can at least give a ballpark estimate within a few pounds accuracy regarding gains. For the duration of the cycle, I am planning to cycle calories b/w 3500-4000, taking into account that I will probably overeat on some days. Hoping to average about 3800, which would be roughly 20xbw assuming I could deplete down to about 190 now.
    Last edited by Cardinal; 08-23-2004 at 06:17 PM.

  15. Day 31
    August 24, 2004


    Bodyweight: 200 lbs
    Sleep: 4 hours
    Food: 4000 planned

    Training:

    Took 100mg caffeine and 40 mg M5AA pre-workout. Couldn't sleep last night. Bad insomnia and was up from 2:15 onwards. Rested for about an hour before training. Helped a bit. Ate some protein at night.

    HS Isolateral Pulldowns
    240x9, 245x7, 250x6, 260x5(failure)*

    *Ridiculously pleased with the strength increase here. After last night's debacle I definitely feel I didn't deserve it. Waiting 1 hour or so to workout after taking it may be having an effect. The other possibility is that it has just taken this long to kick in. I am hoping the former, but will take either explanation. It could also have something to do with motor learning on this particular exercise since it is 'sort of' new to me. Doesn't seem so different than chins though except that the Newtons are distributed more evenly throughout the range of motion. Mark of a well-designed machine if you ask me.

    DB High Pulls
    65x9, 70x8, 80x6, 70x7(+5, hit failure)
    Curls
    55x9(no change), 60x4(lol)
    Forearms
    155x3x15(bb behind back), 40'sx2x9(hammers)
    HS Low Rows
    240x10(tons of cheating here)

    Notes

    Some funds have been transfered over to CNW. Methinks I have found a compound I like! Can't pin any other side effects to it yet either.

  16. Day 32
    August 25, 2004


    Food: 4500 calories (ok so a little overboard)
    Sleep: 7 hours (will do better tonight)

    Training: off day, decided to lift anyways.

    DB OH Press
    65x7, 70x2x7, 80x1(failed on 2nd)
    DB Laterals
    35x8(+1 rep), 35x9(+2 reps)
    Tricep Extensions
    35x11(+2 reps, failure), 35x10(+1 rep)
    Pushdowns
    75x2x9(+5lbs and 2 reps since 8/15)
    HS Decline
    160x9(+1 rep), 160x8

    Notes

    Felt recovered so I figured why not go in and train a little. Shoulders were definitely fully recovered as I was considerably stronger. Got on the HS Dip machine to warm up but it didn't feel good at all. Body/joints need rest from dips. Muscles and cns recovered fine though.

    Felt a bit more aggression than normal both in and out of the gym. Vascularity/muscle hardness was visibly apparent. Not really sure if this is a new development or not, but if it is, I am noting almost all of the typical sides of M5AA that most users report.

  17. Day 33
    August 26, 2004


    Food: 4000
    Sleep: 9 hours

    Training:

    Squats
    215x4, 240x5, 240x3x4(all tough)
    Leg Press
    470x7, 450x9(+1), 450x8
    Curls
    55x9
    DB Rows
    110x9(-1)
    Leg Curls
    100x8(failure, +1)
    Partial Deads
    275x10, 295x9(good ROM)

    Notes

    A bit stronger. Nothing remarkable. Gonna hold on the squats and work with 240 again next time before bumping. Wasn't nearly as solid on that as I would have liked. Been a while since I added partial(sldl) deads in there. Definitely left me exhausted, leg shaking something crazy at the end.

  18. sweet thanks for the constant updates..definately a great log to read

  19. You are welcome keith! Glad to see others are benefiting from reading it. There are quite a few really good logs here at AM and more useful info in general on ph/ps than on any other board. It is a great feeling to be a part of testing out some of these relatively new compounds.

  20. Day 34
    August 27, 2004


    Bodyweight: 203
    Food: 4200
    Sleep: 9 hours

    Training

    DB OH Press
    60x9, 70x7, 70x2x8(failure, both)*
    *had problems completing the sixth rep on both sets. Very weird. Focused better and got the last two solidly though. 4th set was really taxing.
    Incline Bench
    175x3x5(+1 rep since 8/11/04)
    HS Decline
    160x9, 160x9(failure)
    Extensions
    35x2x11(to failure on both)
    DB Laterals
    35x9, 40x5(ugly, someone was using the 35's)
    Pushdowns
    75x2x11(+2 reps solid)

    Notes

    Several things I want to mention. About this workout...One thing I wanted to test was carryover from greatly increasing overhead pressing strength to my regular benching. No chest cramping today, so I could do that. Incline went up some as expected. Probably could have squeezed out another rep if I hadn't trained OH Pressing just before doing the exercise. I guess I am seeing what one would expect. Shoulders felt really solid under the weight with 175 on the bar. Wasn't getting much extra help from chest though.

    Toward the end of the workout, I felt a second wind of sorts. I dosed the M5AA a bit awkwardly due to my class schedule today so that may be the cause. Good feeling though and gave me a lot more tricep strength and lateral strength than I expected to have.

    Also, should have made note of this earlier. Up until the time b/w weeks 3 and 4, I had much stronger libido than normal at all times. Now it has slowly but steadily tapered down to a normal level. This might be a sign of some shutdown as I am closing in on the sixth week. Not sure what to make of it. No noticeable shrinkage to report thusfar, so I am not too concerned.

    I have made note that my bodyweight is far more stable than normal. I usually experience major flucuations and had figured the Nolva, M5AA and 1-T were the cause. Looking at my diet though, I realize that I have used quite a few polyols that I believe are not metabolised quite like other cho. Just a note for the record. That might be another little confounding variable for why I seem to be able to push 4500 cals sometimes and not end up that much heavier. The polyols are great concerning regularity (and hence keep food bloat down in mornings) and are not as easily stored as glycogen from what I understand.

  21. Day 35
    August 28, 2004


    Bodyweight: 203
    Food: 4200
    Sleep: 8.5 hours

    Training

    HS Isolateral Pulldowns
    250x5, 260x2x5, 245x6, 245x5
    Alternating Front DB High Pulls*
    70'sx11, 80'sx2x6, 80'sx7
    Curls
    55x9(no change)
    Calves (leg press)
    630x5xvarious reps
    Abs
    6 sets, upper/lower**

    *I am really growing to like this exercise. It seems to put an equal emphasis on biceps, traps, shoulders and a bit of lats. I don't get too much fatigue in any one muscle and it feels really good on joints.
    **I can finally train abs again without pain/cramping. Felt good.

    Notes

    Motor learning on the pulldowns is definitely at a standstill. In fact, I wasn't noticeably stronger on any of the lifts I trained. It doesn't worry me too much though. I felt a good sort of soreness throughout my body/joints. My whole back was still sore from deadlifting and my upperbody is feeling it from yesterday. Tomorrow will be a much needed day off. No problems sleeping lately as I have been hitting a good 8 hours+ a night now for a while.

    Based on how my body responds over the course of the next week, I will finalize plans for pct. I am still planning on experimenting with the clen and will also add in creatine. If I get any cramping from the clen, I will likely forgoe its further use. Three weeks+ of cramping is more than enough for me on any cycle!

  22. Day 37
    August 30, 2004


    Sleep: 9 hours
    Food: 4500+

    Training:

    Squats
    215x4, 240x5, 240x3x4, 185x2x9
    Leg Press
    450x10, 470x7, 480x2x6
    SLDL
    275x10, 315x2x7, 335x5, 315x2x5

    Notes

    Those three exercises are about all I need to train legs. Felt good training today, but strength increase was nominal at best. I am stalling out on most all the lifts I am training. That usually means it is a diet or sleep problem, not a training issue. But this time I know I am ingesting far too many cals as is. I haven't used any nicotine the last couple of days and my appetite really took off. If it is a training issue, I plan to handle it by keeping volume as high as feasible until the end of my cycle, then dropping down a bit to kick off pct.

    Within the next few days, I want to get a consistent and accurate weight measurement. I would actually be quite pleased if it turns out to be a kcal issue b/c that would mean I could really overeat on this stack and not see fat gain. Wishful thinking, I know...

  23. Day 38
    August 31, 2004


    Bodyweight: 204
    Food: 4000+
    Sleep: 9 hours

    Training

    DB OH Press
    70x2x8(failure)
    Incline Bench
    180x3x5(+5 lbs)
    Decline Bench
    175x9, 185x7
    CGBP
    185x5
    DB Laterals
    35x2x9(no change)
    Pushdowns
    80x9, 80x2x8
    Extensions
    35x11
    Flies
    45x13, 45x12

    Finished w/10 minutes incline walking

    Notes

    Still not a bit of strength increase in overhead pressing. Same goes for laterals and tricep work as well. As expected, inclines got a bit easier and I could do almost as much on incline as flat bench. Very typical for me. I find it fairly interesting that there isn't noticeable carryover from strengthening both triceps and delts quite a bit on this cycle.
    I am still racking my brain to try and figure out what has caused this temporary stall. I don't think reducing 4AD amounts to 200mg ed would have done it, but it could have contributed.

    Just gotta reiterate what an awesome workout deadlifting is. The whole back side of my body from neck to toe is sore in a good way from yesterday's work. 6 sets of deads feels like more work than all sets of rows, pullups, curls, high pull etc combined. Maybe that is what is taxing my recovery lol.

  24. Day 39
    September 1, 2004


    Food: 4900
    Sleep: 9 hours
    Training: Off*

    *Decided to take an extra day off to recover better from deadlifting before doing my usual pulling workout.

    Day 40
    September 2, 2004


    Training:

    Pullups
    207x9(+3 reps since 8-12), 207x8, 207x6
    HS Isolateral Pulldowns
    260x2x5
    Curls
    55x8(-1 rep)
    DB High Pulls
    80x2x8(+1 rep), 90x4
    Abs
    4 sets reverse crunches

    Notes

    My cycle is coming to a close in 3 days. I plan to use those days to dry out a bit and see what kind of progress I have made thus far in terms of body comp changes. The way I look at it, this will be my only chance to take accurate measurements before the end of pct. I have decided against using clen to kick off pct. It is too likely to induce cramping imo and I can try it out any other time effectively. Instead, I will be adding creatine at around 5g/day. I haven't used it in a long time so I should see some results from it.

    I ate far more than usual these last few days and am curious if I put on any fat. My guess is I probably did! Strength was still pretty stagnant today, though the day off definitely helped. My joints were a bit sore though coming into the workout. Overall, it has been a good cycle. I'll write more conclusions/notes when I get time.
    Last edited by Cardinal; 09-04-2004 at 02:40 PM.

  25. Day 42
    September 4, 2004


    Morning Bodyweight: 195
    Food: Protein
    Sleep: 7 hours

    Training

    Lots of depletion work

    Squats
    240x3x4, 185x12, 185x10
    Partial Deads
    295x8, 275x2x11
    Leg Press
    360x15, 360x2x10
    Leg Extensions
    150x17, 150x14, 150x12
    Leg Curls (new machine)
    90x20, 90x15, 90x15
    Calves & Abs
    3x40, 1 set abs

    Notes

    As noted, did a bit of depletion work today. I'll record tomorrow how low my weight drops after 3 days cho depletion and take some measurements then. I felt pretty toasted after this workout without much food. Got what felt like a bit of endorphin rush though, kind of like a runner's high which is nice. The last 2 depletion days were not so pleasant. Kind of a shock going so low cal after so long bulking. Used plenty of E HCL and Nicotine along with my usual fiber shakes to keep some satiety and avoid going crazy.

  26. Since I have a little time on my hands, I figured I might write a few quick notes/conclusions regarding my cycle which is essentially done now. First post, I'll address strength gains...

    Strength Increases:

    Pullups
    195x7 (7-28-04)
    207x9 (9-2-04)
    +10-15 pounds

    Chins
    270x1 (9-11-04)
    20 pound PR

    Squat
    205x4 (7-30-04)
    240x4 (9-4-04)
    +35 pounds

    265x3x1 (9-9-04)
    All-time PR


    DB OH Press
    60'sx6 (7-30-04)
    70'sx8 (8-31-04)
    +20-25 pounds total

    HS Leg Curls
    75'sx2x7 (7-26-04)
    100'sx8 (8-26-04)
    +50 lbs total

    Deads - A bit stronger but not much
    Flat Bench - No noticeable strength increases

    HS Dips
    250x10 (7-30-04)
    285x10 (8-23-04)
    +35 pounds

    Curls
    50'sx6 (7-28-04)
    55'sx8 (9-2-04)
    +10-15 lbs total

    I'll add a few more lifts into this as I get a chance to test them for strength capacity. I picked the dates I did to try and get an accurate assesment of progress, keeping as many variables the same as I could.
    Last edited by Cardinal; 09-11-2004 at 11:58 AM.

  27. Now, some notes on the different compounds I used...

    M1T

    Ran this compound for 16 days total @ 5mg each day, taken in the morning. Most of the anabolism I experienced in this cycle came from the M1T as did a fair amount of my strength gains. I noticed almost all of the commonly reported side effects, but most were mild/moderate. The worst by far was cramping in all my pushing muscles, particularly chest. Unfortunately, I don't have bloodwork while on this compound, but I will get it done toward the end of pct to establish a baseline. I am going to give it quite a while before I use this compound again. Right now I am thinking, early January or late December. Next time I plan to run far higher K+ and Mg+ dosages to see if the cramping can be reduced. Though a very dangerous compound for many reasons, I have to conclude the gains were worth it so long as my bloodwork doesn't come back shot all to hell. Got a bit of gyno symptoms from the combo M1T/4AD. Easily controlled by Nolvadex. Appetite suppression was pleasant. I did find that exhorbitant amounts of food volume was not really a good idea while using this compound. The kickstart worked really well overall, and I didn't notice much shrinkage. Libido was reduced in weeks 5-6 (sans M1T), but still plenty strong.

    Final important note: M1T kicked in right at day six. No sooner, no later. That info might be particularly helpful to some as I imagine it will vary quite a bit from one person to the next. Next time, I may bump the dose to 7.5-10mg for the first few days to see if I can get it to kick in faster and then immediately drop back down to 5mg.

    One really cool thing, once M1T did kick in, I could pretty much expect some increase in strength on literally everything I trained almost irrespective of recovery time I gave it. So for people who are reading this and haven't run such a strong compound I would advice to figure out exactly what strength gains you want (which lifts/rep ranges etc) b/c you can probably expect to achieve what you set out to while on. For example, I was getting quite a bit stronger training coc grippers while on. M5AA/1-T/4AD didn't quite produce those results. And that is a pretty strength specific movement.

    1-Testosterone
    Once again pleased with this compound. Kicked in about the start of the third week as is typical for everyone. As far as I can tell its reputation for lean gains is quite intact. I may bump the dosage to 300mg next bulk cycle or go with 1-Test cyp. Lethargy wasn't bad, onset within an hour of application.

    4-AD
    Again fairly typical results. Good for libido. Good for strength. Probably shouldn't have dropped from 400mg to 200mg as I fear it may be a small part of my strength stall-out the last 10 days or so. Got a lot of puffiness from it though. Had to take nolvadex quite a bit to keep it down. Next cycle I will likely keep 300-400 mg, but would consider running an AI with it or just doing nolva from the get-go.

    M5AA
    Pretty good results with this compound. Don't want to speculate too much, but I think it may have taken a while to kick in. Only negative side effect I noticed was some chest acne. Barely worth mentioning. This is definitely a pleasant addition. I like the 40mg 1-1.25 hours pre-workout and 80+ mg/day total dosing.

    I think that covers all the compounds I took pretty much, lol. I'll add more to this post as I reach further conclusions. A lot of the info is scattered throughout my log already.

    I am not sure what caused the big-time strength stall the last week or so. It wasn't lack of sleep, nor lack of calories/protein (polyols may have inhibited absorption though). Might have overtrained slightly there toward the end. I'll have more info as I fix the problem throughout pct.

    Overall, wouldn't mind running this cycle again. All compounds living up to their respective reputations.

    -Cardinal

  28. Ok, so my ability to take bodycomposition measurement is definitely subpar. It might help if I measured bodyparts other than just waist and arms. I need to work on this. Anyhow, here is what I am getting...

    Date Taken: July 22, 2004
    Minimum Depleted BW: 180 lbs
    Height: 6'2"
    Waist: 33.5"
    Arms: 14.6, 14.75" = L,R
    Days to Depletion: 5

    Date Taken: September 5, 2004
    Minimum Depleted BW: 195 (+15 lbs)
    Height: Still 6'2"
    Waist: 34.75 (+1.25")
    Arms: 15 7/8, 15 3/8 = L,R (+51/40", +5/8" = L,R)
    Days to deplete: 3 (depleted legs significantly)

    I am definitely happy with the weight gain, but I am not sure how accurate the numbers are. Specifically, not sure why my left bicep seems to have grown so much more than right. I also expected a drop in scale weight from yesterday to today, but that didn't so much happen. Waist was stagnant also. Makes me think I may be holding some food/water still.

    If I backsolve using 1/4" per lb bodyfat increase, I come up with roughly 10 lbs increase lbm. I think some of this is glycogen/water retention. If I had to venture a wild guess, I would say I netted maybe 6-7 lbs muscle or thereabouts. In any event I am happy with it. Just bugs me a little that I didn't use calipers and take a bit more accurate tape measurements.
    Last edited by Cardinal; 09-06-2004 at 09:54 PM.

  29. Day 44, PCT Week 1
    September 6, 2004


    Well, this is day 2 of my PCT. It will look like this for the curious:

    Weeks 1-2: 60mg Tamoxifen Citrate (40mg Nolvadex)
    Weeks 3-4: 30mg Tamoxifen Citrate (20mg Nolvadex)
    Weeks 1-4: 1050 mg Milk thistle/ED

    I am going to run ~10g Creatine/ED, E/C and N for appetite suppression as needed. Right now I am thinking 3500 calories/day, protein 1.5-2 g/lb lbm. I am going to try something a bit different diet-wise, aimed mainly at overcoming my tendency to binge. Basically, I am going to set a calorie limit/meal and not exceed it. Right now I will start with 350/meal and go with 10 meals/day. Each will have 150 cals of protein and whatever else I want, mainly carbs. If I have to combine two meals at the end of the day, that won't be a problem.

    Also, based on my training notes for the past few sessions, I am going to make a couple of alterations that I think will break my strength gaining stall. Plan is to train the lifts I am stuck on at maintenance while working on increasing strength on similar movements. Basic exercise variation. We'll see how it works out. I know to expect much slower strength accretion now. Gotta get used to that for a little while, lol. Here is today's training.

    Training

    DB OH Press
    70x8(failure), 70x5
    Incline Bench
    185x3x5(+5lbs)
    Decline Bench
    190x2x8(+5 lbs)
    Laterals
    35x2x8(-1 rep)
    Extensions
    35x13(+2 reps), 35x12(+1)
    Pushdowns
    80x2x8
    Flies
    45x15, 50x11

    I am going to keep updating this through the end of pct, at the very least recording workouts so I have a soft copy of them and can compare what happens to strength etc. So you guys get to put up with me for a while longer in this thread. I'll make pertinent notes as needed.

    -Cardinal
  

  
 

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