Winstrol (Stanozolol), Clenbuterol, T3 Cutting cycle.
- 03-27-2011, 05:02 PM
Winstrol (Stanozolol), Clenbuterol, T3 Cutting cycle.
I'll doing a winny,Clenbuterol and T3 6 week long cutting cycle with 4x cardio 4x resistance training, to see what bodyfat % it gets me for summer.
will be ultimate diet 2.0 (lyle mcdonald) similar to a ketogenic diet but its aim isnt really ketosis.
Calories will be 1300 a day (monday-thursday am), 700ish coming from proteins, 500ish from fats, 100 from carbohydrates.
Thursday PM - Friday before bed (carbohydrate refeed, in other words **** loads of carbs, minimal fat, minimal sucrose, fructose) around 1200 grams of carbs and 300ish from Protein, 50 grams of fat or something.
Saturday - Sunday - 500 calories below mainteance. (high Protein, moderate carbs, moderate fats, ALL clean)
Workout from ultimate diet 2.0:
Monday - Upper body glycogen depletion workout 1 min rest between sets, 1 min between exercises(supersets) and 1 hour on the treadmill (at incline 6% 9 km/hr).
Tuesday - Lower body glycogen depletion workout 1 min rest between sets, 1 min between exercises(supersets) and 1 hour on a bike.
Wednesday - 1 hour on the treadmill (at incline 6% 6 km/hr) or the crossfit machine.
Thursday PM - Full body to-make-sure-im-depleted-workout all in super sets, 2 sets per body part, except for biceps, triceps and shoulders.
Saturday - Strength full body workout in supersets with 3 min rest between sets, 5 min between exercises.
Sunday - 1 hour treadmill (6% incline, 9km/hr)
I've started my Clenbuterol 1 week early, and started the winny and T3 today.
Doses will be like this:
T3 for the first 4 weeks:
Clenbuterol will be:
the first 2 weeks (one week of it done already)
2 weeks off and so on, untill end of cycle (then 2 weeks break after last 2 weeks of Clenbuterol then going at 40 mcg during PCT)
winstrol will be 50mg ed.
Taurine 3g ed.
Potassium 500mg ed.
2 gallons of water ed.
Green tea extract.
Creatine ethyl ester.
Omega 3-6-9 oils.
alpha lipoic acid.
PCT will be Clomid, with 40 mcg Clenbuterol ed.
Any criticism is welcome, I've done 2 cycles before when I was 20 and when I was 19, all pro-hormones, superdrol, halodrol, epistane, not bad results, all done with proper PCT and proper support supplements.
Please none of the your too young, just criticism to cycle, or diet suggestions, workout suggestions, etc. will be really thankful.
I'll be posting results weekly, maybe some pictures too.
- 03-27-2011, 05:28 PM
03-27-2011, 05:47 PM
03-27-2011, 05:55 PM
03-28-2011, 03:19 AM
Test with this would be even better but it still looks good man. Should be able to shred some serious fat with this cycle.
03-28-2011, 09:28 AM
You look like you took the time to do your homework and lay things out properly; kudos on that.
The few things that jump out at me (other than the test, as has been brought up) are that you're already at a pretty decent bf%, you're only taking in 1300 cals daily at your size and activity level (excluding that thurs-fri portion) and adding in the clen and T3 on top of it.
It just seems a bit excessive when all of those things are brought together. I'm not trying to be a jerk at all when I bring that up; just what comes to mind when I read over it.
Regardless; good luck, man.
03-28-2011, 10:31 AM
03-28-2011, 11:21 AM
Thanks bros, yeah I'm raising it to 2k cals a day, going over that much makes me feel like the diet is useless (even though I know perfectly well I'm still losing fat), might throw in some 200mg test a week, not sure yet though. I'll keep you guys updated.
weight today: 187 lb, dropping loads of water just had my carb up around 2 days ago.
First workout on T3 and winny (full upper body, all compound exercises), felt a bit weak even though I had my carb up like 40 hours ago, maybe its the difference between last week and this week (mightave dropped some muscle?), maybe its the high clen dosage (as I doubt 50mg winny, and 25mcg t3 can really affect me in 1 day).
Gunna do an hour of cardio in a bit.
03-28-2011, 12:07 PM
03-28-2011, 12:12 PM
Wow! You're dosing T3 at 100mcg?! Winny isn't gonna be enough to keep you from losing a good amount of muscle! I go up to 75mcg and I weigh 200lbs and do see some loss, so I can only imagine how it would be at 100mcg.
03-28-2011, 01:45 PM
03-28-2011, 01:45 PM
03-28-2011, 01:47 PM
03-28-2011, 10:22 PM
03-29-2011, 05:38 AM
Woke up today feeling a bit crappy, shakes are still there (I have my Clenbuterol right before bed), and been having a weird hot feeling in my throat, dunno what that is but I'm gunna look it up (never got it before I took T3 and the winny).
Today lower body depletion workout and 1 hour of light intensity cardio, I'm losing weight and I can see it (can be water or fat can't tell atm I always judge my week's progress on the day after the carb-up ).
03-29-2011, 04:32 PM
u havent done much research huh? now lets b honest...
im gonna go ahead and tell u straight up THAT
1. clen only works well with medium carb diets and not ketosis
2. t3 without a strong anabolic (like test) will melt your muscle awayyyy especially with this stupid diet u have. 1300g carbs .....thats plain retarted, dont follow that.
3. the cycle looks good, but ur training is off. while on winstrol + clen, do high intesive workouts, like 1-2 body parts/day, with heavy sets, burn outs, drop sets, supersets.
4. 1hour on bike= nothing.
5. clen dosent work as well at nigh. split up the doses morning + pre wo
6. change ur diet to 1.5x bw protein, 100g carbs, low fat on training days. high pro/med fat/low carb on off days and do ur LISS cardio all u want, thats when it actually LISS works well, not on ur 1300cal days.
7. add ECA or some stimulant for the off weeks of clen + after t3.
03-29-2011, 04:40 PM
2. I know about that, hence the winstrol (i know its mild but I dont mind a little muscle melting away).
3. all my training is in supersets, as stated in my first post.
4. 1 hour bike is only 1 of the 4 cardio days, the rest is 1 hour of running as stated above :P (since my legs are usually killing me from the day before).
5. i thought clen has a half life of 36 hours and that doesnt matter?
6. my diet is now 2k cals a day 200 grams protein, 150 fat, and carbs from vegetables. I'm sure liss works fine since all I'm trying to do is deplete my glycogen to go into ketosis? Correct me if I'm wrong, plus isn't HIIT a bad idea on clenbuterol/t3?
7. sadly I can't get hold of any would love some though..
Please explain on why ketosis is bad on this, thanks! Plus 90% of the logs I've checked so far, or the people I've asked swore by cycling ketosis on clen/t3..
03-29-2011, 04:41 PM
Guys does anyone know how I'm supposed to carb-up on this? Am I supposed to drop the clen and T3 (clen has a half-life of 36 hours so I dunno how to go about this, last week I just had my last dose on wednesday night before bed and had my carb-up on friday)? Since they don't let me refill my glycogen, or am I misunderstanding something here? Would appreciate the help thanks!
03-29-2011, 04:46 PM
03-29-2011, 04:58 PM
03-29-2011, 06:36 PM
03-29-2011, 06:39 PM
03-29-2011, 06:50 PM
the effectiveness of your carb-load." So I was wondering how I could do that with clen's half-life and all..
Also about SARMs I found S4 quite cheap, do you reckon ostarine is worth the extra money? I won't get it till like 2 weeks though anyway (but I should be at the highest doses of my T3 at that time)..
03-29-2011, 06:53 PM
03-29-2011, 08:15 PM
03-30-2011, 04:41 PM
at 190 and 11% i think you could use more muscle and not worry about bf
but this is my opinion
03-31-2011, 01:15 PM
03-31-2011, 01:26 PM
Day 5 on T3, day 12 on clenbuterol.
I've definitely lost loads of weight, face is alot more skinnier, abs are starting to show alot more, arms look smaller, chest looks smaller but the split between the chests is getting more defined and deeper, collar bones are seriously sticking out, veins on forearm and biceps are seriously popping out, started seeing some veins on calfs and back (this is in comparsion to 12 days ago)..
T3 dose is now 50 mcg btw,
stopped the clen, and let me tell you one thing, the side effects of clenbuterol are seriously exaggerated, yes I got shakes (for like 2-3 days since the first 3 days the doses were 20,40,60 only actually felt the sides on 120 mcg and it wasnt that bad tolerable really) yes my face and body would feel hot but I've felt alooot worse on superdrol (the sides are different but people make clenbuterol out to be some horrible drug "but worth it for the results") but hey I took it right before bed, so maybe I missed out on the really bad side effects (even though it has a 36 hour half life)..
Muscles are alot hader (I think this is the winnie) but looks smaller, started my carb up today, should see how much muscle I've lost on saturday morning (I finish my carb up friday night).
Would upload pictures but have no way of doing that so this is all I can offer
03-31-2011, 03:04 PM
gunna have an unlicensed boxing match, will be after I finish my T3 cycle, really doubt they test for anything..
03-31-2011, 11:44 PM
on a keto- depends how lean you are and how much you traina lose. if ur 180 at 6%, you might have a refeed day every 4th 5th day...if ur 20% + than u probably shouldnt even refeed till u lose a few %, and than every 7-10th day
on a diets with carbs...depends..
i use 100g carbs a day for 2 days, 3rd day no carbs, 2days 100g carbs, 2days no carbs reapeat. its a 7day mini cycle, i feel for myself as it keeps my body in a better anabolic state. workouts are done on days with carbs and most carbs are taken pre workout, and some after work outs. the no carb days are so my body stay sensitive to carbs (which are insulin). i feel like this option should be used only by more advanced athletes, and not a person with 20%+ just trying to lose some weight.
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