Milk Thistle hurts gains on cycle?

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  1. Milk Thistle hurts gains on cycle?


    I've heard that milk thistle can hurt gains? I don't want to destroy my liver, so what do I do about liver protection for my SD?


  2. AndroShred (sd) clone comes with 325mg of milk thistle, plus im taking 2x 5ml of liver juice daily, I thought that it was just a myth.
    I mean I took Liver juice with both my Hdrol cycles and got some nice gains on both cycles.
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  3. The theory is that mt makes your ph/as less potent. A common solution is to dose milk thistle in between ph/as doses. Not at the same time and separate the two as much as possible.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by bakerderek0 View Post
    The theory is that mt makes your ph/as less potent. A common solution is to dose milk thistle in between ph/as doses. Not at the same time and separate the two as much as possible.
    Ok cool thats what I was thinking about doing. I've also heard you can load it pre-cycle, go off it during, and get back on for PCT. Would this be less advisable?

  5. Yes, preloading is smart. Not only for mt, but Hawthorne is shown to first increase bp before it lowers bp. I assume your gonna use cycle support or cycle assist. I would preload for 1 week.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by bakerderek0 View Post
    Yes, preloading is smart. Not only for mt, but Hawthorne is shown to first increase bp before it lowers bp. I assume your gonna use cycle support or cycle assist. I would preload for 1 week.
    I'm actually about done with my cycle. I took mt, hawthorne, and saw palmetto for cycle support. I stopped seeing gains, so I stopped the mt about a week ago and started seeing gains faster than i did during the rest of my cycle. for my next cycle i wanted to avoid any inhibition of the ph while still maintaining a healthy liver.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by bakerderek0 View Post
    The theory is that mt makes your ph/as less potent. A common solution is to dose milk thistle in between ph/as doses. Not at the same time and separate the two as much as possible.


    MT does not hurt your cycle but it counter acts your ph therefore making it less effective, as a general rule take mt 4-5 hrs after your last dose and again with your pre bed supps

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Delta Force View Post


    MT does not hurt your cycle but it counter acts your ph therefore making it less effective, as a general rule take mt 4-5 hrs after your last dose and again with your pre bed supps
    i take my ph 5-6 hours apart. So would i ideally want to take mt on the 4th hour and my next dose of ph on the 6th hour? or should i take mt on the 5th hour and the ph on the 6th hour?

  9. take mt 4-5 hrs after your last dose and again with your pre bed supps

  10. just pop all your milk thistle before bed like I did

  11. Yes it does, by inhibiting function of the AR receptor.
    There are some studies available, by a quick search i just found one.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11532861
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by Yaz View Post
    Yes it does, by inhibiting function of the AR receptor.
    There are some studies available, by a quick search i just found one.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11532861
    Good find, I knew of the science behind this but wasn't going to go through the trouble to find the study, haha! Reps coming your way.

    P-Choline along with NAC are two ingredients I rely heavily upon during cycles to keep the liver functioning at its best, and I also try not to dose at the same time as oral drugs.

  13. so should i invest in these other liver protectants instead of milk thistle? is there any evidence that suggests that they can block androgen receptors as well?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    Good find, I knew of the science behind this but wasn't going to go through the trouble to find the study, haha! Reps coming your way.

    P-Choline along with NAC are two ingredients I rely heavily upon during cycles to keep the liver functioning at its best, and I also try not to dose at the same time as oral drugs.
    is P-Choline the same as Phosphocholine? and NAC N-acetylcysteine?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by ward5742 View Post
    just pop all your milk thistle before bed like I did
    Would the milk thistle still be effective at detoxing your liver if you only take it once a day?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by rayactr2k6 View Post
    is P-Choline the same as Phosphocholine? and NAC N-acetylcysteine?
    Yes sir I buy 'in bulk' you could say, by getting encapsulated stand-alone from a company that OFTEN appears in the banners here. You can find bulk online at various websites, which I also can't mention (grrrr), but unless you have a capping machine and a few extra hours to devote to it, I'd just buy the pills

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    Good find, I knew of the science behind this but wasn't going to go through the trouble to find the study, haha! Reps coming your way.

    P-Choline along with NAC are two ingredients I rely heavily upon during cycles to keep the liver functioning at its best, and I also try not to dose at the same time as oral drugs.


    Thanks for the reps !

    IMHO the top liver protection is TUDCA & UDCA by far.
    All information provided by me is for research & entertainment purposes only.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    Yes sir I buy 'in bulk' you could say, by getting encapsulated stand-alone from a company that OFTEN appears in the banners here. You can find bulk online at various websites, which I also can't mention (grrrr), but unless you have a capping machine and a few extra hours to devote to it, I'd just buy the pills
    how much does P-Choline usually cost? NAC is cheap from what i have found, but the P-choline i found is like 40 bucks

  19. Quote Originally Posted by rayactr2k6 View Post
    how much does P-Choline usually cost? NAC is cheap from what i have found, but the P-choline i found is like 40 bucks
    1,200mg, 100 softgels, $8.00. Once again as always because of the rules on the board, I'm unable to link you to it.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    1,200mg, 100 softgels, $8.00. Once again as always because of the rules on the board, I'm unable to link you to it.
    So are these less likely to inhibit the effectiveness of the PH?

  21. My current supplement say 4 caps- twice a day, maybe i should just limit it to 4 caps pre-bed and keep it up longer into post cycle...

  22. Quote Originally Posted by rayactr2k6 View Post
    So are these less likely to inhibit the effectiveness of the PH?
    By eliminating the Silymarin, yes

    Oh, also... LCLT is a great addition.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    By eliminating the Silymarin, yes

    Oh, also... LCLT is a great addition.
    LCLT = L-Carnitine L-tartrate?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by rayactr2k6 View Post
    LCLT = L-Carnitine L-tartrate?
    Yes sir! There are about four websites carrying it in bulk form around the 'net, or you can buy NOW Food's version in the 3oz little containers, as it's the patented Carnipure from Lonza.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    Yes sir! There are about four websites carrying it in bulk form around the 'net, or you can buy NOW Food's version in the 3oz little containers, as it's the patented Carnipure from Lonza.
    awesome thx for the info man. do u know anything about DAA? ive heard alotta people mention it as either cycle assist or PCT assist
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