Winny + TestE + TrenE

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    So i am on my 5th week of winny and was only going to do that but i decided to go ahead and run a hybrid that i picked up of trenE and testE. This is how its going to end up looking...

    Week 1-5 - 50mg winny ED
    Week 5-15- 150 tren, 250 test 2x a week
    Week 15-17- 250 test 2x a week

    also considering "blasting and cruising" but am undecided at this time. havent done it before but seems like it would be a new approach i wouldnt mind trying

    I have had bad experiences with getting non quality PCT in the past but now i am certain i have very lagit stuff. I would rather over due my PCT instead of underdoing it as i did in the past. I will be using tamoxifine citrate, clomid and HCG. I have an understanding of how to dose my PCT but was wondering since this cycle is going to be longer and stronger than in the past what i should be dosing it at. I have never used HCG before so thats a bigger concern and i was wondering if it would be benificial to run the nova the last few weeks of my cycle.

    Any opinions on this or does this look pretty solid

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    you'llwanna keep the hcg in your cycle and out of your pct. if you use it in your pct, it will just replace your endogenous LH and then once you come off of it, you'll be back where you started. run it on cycle along side the test to keep your nuts functioning at normal levels, then drop it when you go into pct. hcg doesn't restart you after a cycle, it just keeps you functioning during cycle so that you're not trying to recover from a 17 week long shutdown.
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    Should i start running nolva durring cycle? and when should i or when do need to start taking HCG on cycle for it to be worth it and how many IU. i have seen alot of conflicting posts about when to start and how much to take?
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    and since i am going to be taking clomid and nolva what would be the ideal doseage and scheduale for taking them
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    The obvious use of course being to stimulate the production of endogenous testosterone. The activity of HCG in the male body is due to its ability to mimic LH (luteinizing hormone), a pituitary hormone that stimulates the Leydig's cells in the testes to manufacture testosterone. Restoring endogenous testosterone production is a special concern at the end of each steroid cycle, a time when a subnormal androgen level (due to steroid induced suppression) could be very costly. The main concern is the action of cortisol, which in many ways is balanced out by the effect of androgens. Cortisol sends the opposite message to the muscles than testosterone, or to breakdown protein in the cell. Left unchecked (by an extremely low testosterone level) in the body, cortisol can quickly strip much of your new muscle mass away. The main focus with HCG is to restore the normal ability of the testes to respond to endogenous luteinizing hormone. After a long period of inactivity, this ability may have been seriously reduced. In such a state testosterone levels may not reach a normal point, even though the release of endogenous LH has been resumed. Many who have suffered severe testicular shrinkage may be able to relate, as it is often some time before normal testicle size and feelings of virility are restored if ancillary drugs had not been used. The excessive stimulation brought forth by administration of HCG can likewise cause the testicles to rapidly return to their normal size and level of activity. We are not simply looking for it to fix the problem however, as the resulting high testosterone level can itself trigger negative feedback inhibition at the hypothalamus. Estrogen production is also heightened with the use of HCG, due to its ability to increase aromatase activity in the Leydig's cells. This is due to the main action of HCG, namely the increase of cycIicAMP (a secondary messenger that regulates cellular activity). When stimulated by HCG, the ability of the testes to aromatize androgens could potentially be heightened several times greater than normal. This also may inhibit testosterone production, so we therefore use HCG only as a quick shock to the testes. The usual protocol is to inject 1500-3000 I.U. every 4'" or 5t" day, for a duration usually no longer than 2 or 3 weeks. If used for too long or at too high a dose, the drug may actually function to desensitize the Leydig's cells to luteinizing hormone, further hindering a return to homeostasis. Timing the initial dose is also very crucial. If your were coming off a cycle of Sustanon for example, testosterone levels in your blood will likely stay elevated for at least 3 to 4 weeks after your last injection. Taking HCG on the day of your last shot would therefore be useless. Instead one would want to calculate the last week in which androgen levels are likely to be above normal, and begin ancillary drug therapy at this point. In this case HCG would be started around the third or fourth week. Likewise, after ending a cycle of Dianabol (an oral) your blood levels will be sub normal after the third day. Here you may want to begin HCG therapy a few days before your last intake of tablets, giving it a few days to take effect. One would also want to give some thought to the level of suppression that the cycle might have brought about. After an 8 week cycle of Androlic50? for example, 1500-2500 I.U. would likely be a sufficient initial dosage. The lower amount of hormonal suppression one associates with this drug would probably not require much more. On the other hand, 750-1000mg of Sustanon250? per week might incline the user to inject a much larger HCG dose, perhaps as much as 5000 I.U. for the opening application. It may thereafter also be a good idea to reduce the dosage on subsequent shots, so as to step down the intake of HCG during the two or three weeks of intake. As discussed above, HCG acts only to mimic the action of LH. It is likewise not the perfect hormone to combat testosterone suppression, and for this reason it is used most often in conjunction with estrogen antagonists such as Clomid? or Tamoxifen? . These drugs have a different effect on the regulating system, namely inhibiting estrogen-induced suppression at the hypothalamus. This of course also helps to restore the release of testosterone, although through a much different mechanism than HCG. A combination of both drugs appears to be very synergistic, HCG providing an immediate effect on the testes (shocking them out of inactivity) while the antiestrogen helps later to block inhibition on the hypothalamus and resume the normal release of gonadotropins from the pituitary. The typical procedure involves giving the Clomid?, Tamoxifen? dose from the start with HCG, but continuing it alone for a few weeks once HCG has been discontinued. This practice should effectively raise testosterone levels, which will hopefully remain stable once Clomid?, Tamoxifen? have been discontinued. While unfortunately there is no way to retain all of the muscle gains produced by anabolic steroids, using ancillaries to restore a balanced hormonal state is the best way to minimize the loss felt with ending a cycle.

    This info seems likeit would suggest taking durring PCT
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