Alpha One AND Tren insanity stack

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  1. 60 mg Alpha One? god damn dude..hope you dont die

    Why the crazy high dose?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Aaelael View Post
    HOw goes the cycle. . . updates king??
    cycles going good so far. not much to say for sides or gains yet

    Quote Originally Posted by Texan281 View Post
    60 mg Alpha One? damn dude..hope you dont die

    Why the crazy high dose?
    It's only 30 mg more but that allows it be a 3 week cycle instead of 4, which I feel will be the safer version.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Liftingstud View Post
    That's what I hear... So once again... What's the target hormone here? Funny how no one knows yet people are will to take it.
    i wuznt ready to experiment with this one, I traded it for M1T. I will tell you im quite happy i did, really like the results from my bold/m1t stack, looking forward to seeing what m1t does by its self at a lil higher dose next tyme
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjameskjf View Post
    It's only 30 mg more but that allows it be a 3 week cycle instead of 4, which I feel will be the safer version.
    I would have to say that kingjameskjf does have experience with harsh compounds but I still think your a lil nutz pairing it with tren. . haha but with that being said just make sure your popping them liver supports like candy. . .haha some say they dimish gains but with these two compounds I highly doubt it!
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by kingjameskjf View Post
    cycles going good so far. not much to say for sides or gains yet



    It's only 30 mg more but that allows it be a 3 week cycle instead of 4, which I feel will be the safer version.
    I meant 20mg more, not 30. Each cap at 20 mg each.

    Quote Originally Posted by lyfespan View Post
    i wuznt ready to experiment with this one, I traded it for M1T. I will tell you im quite happy i did, really like the results from my bold/m1t stack, looking forward to seeing what m1t does by its self at a lil higher dose next tyme
    I guess I'll find out shortly!

    Quote Originally Posted by Aaelael View Post
    I would have to say that kingjameskjf does have experience with harsh compounds but I still think your a lil nutz pairing it with tren. . haha but with that being said just make sure your popping them liver supports like candy. . .haha some say they dimish gains but with these two compounds I highly doubt it!
    lol, I know my friend but I'll cut it off if sides get too nasty. I got plenty of supports too, like my cycle assist, Liv52, and SAM-e which is an amazing liver protector. I've heard of the diminished gains but that's why I dose my supports and my ph's a few hours apart to help minimize that.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by kingjameskjf View Post
    Glad you could chime in and be so insightful. How about you prove to me otherwise?


    M1A converts to (7alpha-methyl-1-test). Methyl-1-etiocholenolol Epietiocholanolone means it is 7a-Methylandrost-1-ene-3b-ol-17-one. Patrick Arnold said somewhere that it needs two metabolic steps to reach the active compound 7alpha-methyl-1-test. So like I said and what I've read, there is some conversion, howbeit limited, AFAIK.


    Here's a c/p from TS:
    In 2009, Competitive Edge Labs introduced a new pro-hormone/designer steroid ĎAlpha Oneí which is a direct clone of Methyl-1-Alpha or commonly referred to as M1A for short. Methyl-1-Alpha was brought to market in 2005 by Legal Gear (now LG Sciences), however was discontinued rather quickly in 2006. Regardless of the particular product the nomenclature of this compound should be (Methyl-1-Etiocholenolol-Epietiocholanolone) which is effectively Methyl 1-AD.

    Products confirmed to contain (Methyl-1-Etiocholenolol-Epietiocholanolone):

    EST Methyl XT
    Legal Gear Methyl-1-Alpha
    Competitive Edge Labs Ė Alpha One
    Since the aforementioned products above are discontinued, we will be using Alpha One as our reference supplement as itís typically readily available for purchase through major online vendors.

    Overview: Alpha One / Methyl-1-Alpha

    Alpha One is one of the strongest pro-hormones/anabolic designer steroids on the over the counter market today, therefore cycles are typically very short with three weeks being the recommended and most common cycle length. Itís known to have some conversion to M1T (Methyl-1-Testosterone) as M1A/Alpha One is a precursor to M1T, however legit information regarding the rate of conversion is unknown but most educated estimates are in the 15-20% range. With that said, Alpha One is an already active steroid therefore regardless of conversion to M1T itís plenty sufficient on itís own without factoring in conversion.

    Maybe not the best sources, but again as you noted, there's limited reliable information.
    Emailed PA about alpha one and he said it's a ph to m1t but probably at a very very low rate.

    Hence why you can take 60mg and not see a dramatic strength increase in wk 1. Cause with m1t you strength blows up almost right away.

    Thought I would share since I just heard back from him and hrs probably the best source to ask.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Liftingstud View Post
    Emailed PA about alpha one and he said it's a ph to m1t but probably at a very very low rate.

    Hence why you can take 60mg and not see a dramatic strength increase in wk 1. Cause with m1t you strength blows up almost right away.

    Thought I would share since I just heard back from him and hrs probably the best source to ask.
    That's about what I figured. I know M1T is insane in gains but also in sides and FAST shutdown. It seems like there was some conversion but I guessed, as you did, that conversion is pretty low, especially if it has to undergo 2 metabolic processes to convert it to the that target hormone. But I have seen really good logs and CEL puts out some solid stuff so I'm confident that it'll still work pretty well. Obviously M1T itself would be much stronger, you'd also only need like 5g of it! I got just over a week left till I add in the Alpha One to my Tren. Hopefully I'll see some good results and be able to keep the sides in hand.

    Update coming soon...
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  8. My last two workouts...


    Wednesday's Workout
    I did my 2B workout version.


    Smith Squats:
    8x135
    8x225
    20x185 WM set
    Sorry but I can't go heavier or do regular squats with how bad my knees are.


    Laying Hamstring Curls (Paramount):
    9x160
    4x160
    3x160
    Rest-Pause sets
    I added 15 pounds but lost too many reps


    HS Calf Press:
    20x400
    12x400
    10x400
    Rest-Pause sets
    It literally hurt to walk after these. I went to the restroom afterwards and had to rock while pissing to shift my bodyweight!


    Barbell Preacher Curls:
    10x80
    4x80
    3x80
    Rest-Pause sets
    Added two total reps, not much but I'll take it


    Hammer Curls (simultaneous, not alternating):
    5x45
    3x45
    2x45
    Straight sets

    Extreme stretches followed as usual.

    I then played about 45 minutes of basketball.





    Last night's Workout
    I did my 3A workout version.


    Decline Bench Press:
    10x205
    4x205
    2x205
    Rest-Pause sets
    I can do more but I have no spotter and don't want to fail and eat it on this one.


    Close Grip Lat-Pulldowns:
    10x200
    5x200
    4x200
    Rest-Pause sets


    T-Bar Rows:
    10x135+ whatever the bar weighed (not standard)
    6x135+
    5x135+
    Rest-Pause sets


    Barbell Upright Rows:
    9x90
    6x90
    5x90
    Rest-Pause sets


    Tricep Pushdowns:
    9x160
    6x160
    5x160
    Rest-Pause sets


    Vertical Butterflys:
    6x160
    4x160
    2x160
    Rest-Pause sets


    Delt. Reverse Flyes (Paramount cables):
    12x50
    6x50
    4x50
    Rest-Pause sets


    Good news, I'm finally seeing something. I added reps to just about every exercise today, took 2 weeks though.

    I felt good and wanted to push myself harder so I added the last two exercises. Since everything was rest-pause, I actually finished my whole workout in 50 minutes.

    I did my extreme stretches afterwards.

    I then shot some ball for about 45 minutes. That was a mistake cause it inflamed my knee since it didn't have time to fully recover since wednesday when I played on it and workout my legs.

    I noticed that I'm starting to get some atrophy so I'm starting the hcg today. 500iu's sub-q. I know it would have been better to start it from the beginning, but with all the controversy surrounding tren (especially Kilo Sports) and how some users didn't notice anything but others had amazing gains, I wanted to see how it would affect me personally.

    Also, since I've been having a hard time sleeping while on the tren, I took my last dose last night right as I layed down so I could hopefully get to sleep before it kicked in. That was a mistake. I was awake until 5am and just now got up. Talk about a miserable night. I'm thinking I'm going to have to do 2 in the am and 1 afternoon and none in the evening just so I'll be able to sleep at night.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by Liftingstud View Post
    Emailed PA about alpha one and he said it's a ph to m1t but probably at a very very low rate.

    Hence why you can take 60mg and not see a dramatic strength increase in wk 1. Cause with m1t you strength blows up almost right away.

    Thought I would share since I just heard back from him and hrs probably the best source to ask.
    Methyl XT is NOT an M1A clone at all. EST tried to market it as that in the beginning but quickly recanted

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  10. Week 2 Review


    I end this week at 197.5 pounds. So a total gain of 1 pound for the last week. My strength gains were only first noticed during my last workout, with the increase in reps.

    My BP has been good, no headaches, 112/78 so pretty good on that.

    No sides at all except for the lack of sleep and getting really hot at night. I was finally able to sleep well last night, but I took my last dose several hours before bed and took an Animal PM as well.

    Nothing else to note so far, been a quite cycle so far. Hope week 3 brings in a bit more. Week 3 will be my last week on just Tren at 90 mg. Then I add in the AO.
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  11. Today's Workout
    I did my 3B workout version.


    HS Individual Leg Press:
    15x375 These felt easier then usual. Typically I'll drop down for my next set (20 rep window maker attempt) but I decided to push it more.
    20x375 WM set. I got all 20 but the last couple reps I cheated a little by using my hands to help push my knees for stability.


    SLDL:
    8x315
    8x315
    5x315
    Straight sets
    The last set had to be cut short due to a massive lower back pump.


    Seated Hammer Strength Calf Press:
    20x400
    12x400
    10x400
    Rest-Pause sets


    Barbell Drag Curls:
    13x80
    5x80
    4x80
    Rest-Pause sets
    Added a couple reps on this one. Will go up in weight next time.


    Pinwheel Curls, dumbbell:
    10x50 each DB
    5x50
    4x50
    Rest-Pause sets
    Lost 2 reps but went up 5 pounds.


    Bicep Curls (Paramount):
    5x40 each arm individually
    2x40
    5x40 Slow negatives only
    I did this one as a burn out exercise. I did a variation of rest-pause. I did my right arm, followed immediately by my left arm, and then immediately back to my right, and so forth. This allowed a very short recovery time for my biceps.

    Extreme stretches completed afterwards.

    Not pleased about the pumps. Haven't had those since an epi cycle a couple years ago. time to start the taurine. I went up in reps and weight on some exercises and my legs were shaking when I was done. I also had some good arm pumps going on with my bi's and forearms. My boys are hiding up north alot further then I'd like so I took another 500iu of hCG today.

    I slept very well last night, but I cheated! I had a very busy day today and knew I absolutely needed my sleep. Tonight I will not take any sleeping aids and see how my new tren dosing scheme works.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by kingjameskjf View Post
    Today's Workout
    I did my 3B workout version.


    HS Individual Leg Press:
    15x375 These felt easier then usual. Typically I'll drop down for my next set (20 rep window maker attempt) but I decided to push it more.
    20x375 WM set. I got all 20 but the last couple reps I cheated a little by using my hands to help push my knees for stability.


    SLDL:
    8x315
    8x315
    5x315
    Straight sets
    The last set had to be cut short due to a massive lower back pump.


    Seated Hammer Strength Calf Press:
    20x400
    12x400
    10x400
    Rest-Pause sets


    Barbell Drag Curls:
    13x80
    5x80
    4x80
    Rest-Pause sets
    Added a couple reps on this one. Will go up in weight next time.


    Pinwheel Curls, dumbbell:
    10x50 each DB
    5x50
    4x50
    Rest-Pause sets
    Lost 2 reps but went up 5 pounds.


    Bicep Curls (Paramount):
    5x40 each arm individually
    2x40
    5x40 Slow negatives only
    I did this one as a burn out exercise. I did a variation of rest-pause. I did my right arm, followed immediately by my left arm, and then immediately back to my right, and so forth. This allowed a very short recovery time for my biceps.

    Extreme stretches completed afterwards.

    Not pleased about the pumps. Haven't had those since an epi cycle a couple years ago. time to start the taurine. I went up in reps and weight on some exercises and my legs were shaking when I was done. I also had some good arm pumps going on with my bi's and forearms. My boys are hiding up north alot further then I'd like so I took another 500iu of hCG today.

    I slept very well last night, but I cheated! I had a very busy day today and knew I absolutely needed my sleep. Tonight I will not take any sleeping aids and see how my new tren dosing scheme works.
    ahhh well my friend. .. you are dosing some serious AAS sooo with that being said. .. it is only the inevidable. . .keep up on the taurine and the hcg. . .for your boys have no idea what to do with all of the AAS flowing in the body muhaha. . .keep smashin it my friend and nice log as always!!
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  13. just checkin in kj, to see how things were going.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Aaelael View Post
    ahhh well my friend. .. you are dosing some serious AAS sooo with that being said. .. it is only the inevidable. . .keep up on the taurine and the hcg. . .for your boys have no idea what to do with all of the AAS flowing in the body muhaha. . .keep smashin it my friend and nice log as always!!
    The taurine helped alot as did the second dose of hCG. Wish I had a way of getting some videos up like I did with my last log.

    Quote Originally Posted by princevince View Post
    just checkin in kj, to see how things were going.
    Still doing work!
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  15. Today's Workout
    I did my 1A workout version.


    Incline Press:
    10x170
    4x170
    2x170
    Rest-Pause sets
    Since I can almost never crank out a third set of rest-pause inclines, I thought I was going to have to drop like 20 pounds to be able to get some reps in. I was surprised when I actually got 2 solid reps up. The first two sets had the same reps as last time I did this 1A workout (15 days ago).


    Seated Rows (on independent arm Nautilus):
    12x360
    7x360
    4x360
    Rest-Pause sets
    I went up 4 reps on my first set since last time and one more on the second set.


    Wide Grip Pull-Ups:
    6xBW (199.6)
    2xBW
    3xBW
    Rest-Pause sets
    I was very disappointed in these today. I went down on reps significantly.


    FreeMotion Cable Shoulder Press (no back pad used):
    6.5x110
    2x110
    3x100
    Rest-Pause sets
    I added 10 pounds for the first 2 sets and dropped several reps in return.


    Weighted Dips:
    8xBW+75
    3xBW+75
    2xBW+75
    Rest-Pause sets
    These were a beast but felt great. I lost 6 total reps but I also added an additional 25 pound plate to my dip belt. I think I'll stick with these for now since the reps were still in a good range.


    Cable Crossovers (FreeMotion):
    10x40 (each side, not total)
    5x40
    4x40
    Rest-Pause sets

    I forgot to do my extreme stretches today, ah well...next time.

    I took 3g of taurine before my workout today and that helped a ton, barely felt the back pumps. I had GREAT pumps after this workout. As for the sleep, it seems to work much better dosing the last dose earlier. I've been able to get to sleep better, and while I still wake up often, I can still get back to sleep. No other sides or pros noticed.
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  16. Continuing the total destruction!! hahah sooo how is your libido my friend. . .tren typically kills it and or 19 nor. . but i figure with alpha and hcg you should be pretty awesome!
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by Aaelael View Post
    Continuing the total destruction!! hahah sooo how is your libido my friend. . .tren typically kills it and or 19 nor. . but i figure with alpha and hcg you should be pretty awesome!
    I don't start the AO until Monday, but libido is starting to decrease some. Nothing major though. Oh, and I couldn't sleep again last night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjameskjf View Post
    I don't start the AO until Monday, but libido is starting to decrease some. Nothing major though. Oh, and I couldn't sleep again last night.
    WHOA!!! noo good!! Liquid melatonin and or some melatonin 5g i believe is the trick. . .and or ZMA my friend. . .best of luck with the sleep!! keep smashin it!!!
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  19. Looking good buddy.Get that shiot man

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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Aaelael View Post
    WHOA!!! noo good!! Liquid melatonin and or some melatonin 5g i believe is the trick. . .and or ZMA my friend. . .best of luck with the sleep!! keep smashin it!!!
    Yeah, I've been taking ZMK (MST's version of ZMA but I figured the added 5-p-5 would be good on this cycle) and I also have Animal PM with melatonin and valerian root and all that crap. I dunno. I was so tired from NOT sleeping that I fell asleep in one of my classes today.

    Quote Originally Posted by JoHNnyNuTZ View Post
    Looking good buddy.Get that shiot man
    Working it brah. Had some dude at school today who told me that I looked like I was gaining weight.
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  21. LOL>..Hmm...something is working then

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  22. I love the gym on Friday evening's, it's so...deserted!

    My Workout
    I did my 1B workout version.


    Smith Squats:
    6x225
    17x185 WM set
    I tried to do these slow and as deep as I could, focusing on technique instead of weight.


    Hamstring Curls on FreeMotion:
    14x160
    8x160
    6x160
    Rest-Pause sets
    I did these one's really slow


    Hammer Strength Calf Press:
    17x470 (PR) This was the max amount of plates the HS would hold (5 plates each side and 20 lbs starting weight).
    10x470
    7x470
    Rest-Pause sets
    These were brutal but loved them when I was done!


    Dumbbell Curls (simultaneous not alternating):
    9x45
    3x45
    3x45
    Rest-Pause sets


    Reverse Grip Barbell Curls:
    5x80
    2x80
    3x80
    Straight sets


    Concentration DB Curls
    10x40
    3x40
    2x40
    I alternated my right and left without any rest between any of the sets. Got a good pump from them.

    Did my extreme stretches afterwards and shot some bball for about 40 minutes. Used IntrAbolic and Labrada ElistiJoint as my intraworkout. I started getting some slight back pumps today but they were minor. I think the 4g of taurine pre helped alot with that.

    My only real complaint as far as sides goes is the sleep difficulty. That and the disappointing strength gains so far.
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  23. KJ do you have insurance? If so just get some Ambien

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  24. I don't know how your strength is not threw the roof

  25. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    KJ do you have insurance? If so just get some Ambien
    well...

    Quote Originally Posted by gymrat827 View Post
    I don't know how your strength is not threw the roof
    Me too bro. It's so frustrating. I know I'm eating enough and pushing myself hard. I'm so disappointed. The only other PH that I've taken that I've seen this little results with is Cynostane. I expect a lot more then a couple reps on SOME exercises by three weeks in. Definitely time for some Alpha One!
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  26. Alpha one may be coming in at the right time bro. Good luck to ya!!

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  27. this is insanity!!!!!!!! your strength should be hella crazy.. wtf

  28. Week 3 Review


    I end this week at 198.5 pounds. So again like last week, a total gain of 1 pound for the last week. My strength gains are a joke. This week was just tren at 90mg ED.

    My BP is a little higher but decent, no headaches, 128/86.

    The only side I have noticed is the consistent sleep problems. My libido is good and there's no atrophy, but that's due mainly to the hcg. I've been doing 500iu twice a week.

    I am extremely disappointed in this cycle so far. I should be seeing something more after 3 weeks.

    It's definitely time for the Alpha One. I will start today and run it at 3 caps (60mg) through the next 3 weeks. I'm seriously contemplating dropping the tren. If I start seeing more sides then gains or if I start having good gains on AO but the tren still negatively impacts my sleep, then I will drop it.
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by JoHNnyNuTZ View Post
    Alpha one may be coming in at the right time bro. Good luck to ya!!
    def time for it bro.

    Quote Originally Posted by BarbellBeast View Post
    this is insanity!!!!!!!! your strength should be hella crazy.. wtf
    That's exactly what I've been thinking. Very frustrating.
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  30. I had a big test today so I stayed up most the night studying and only got 4 hours of sleep, so I was pretty tired today. I felt better as the day progressed though. I tried something new today. I tried MST RagNOrok Ultra, Crushing Punch flavor, the stim version. I had the blue raspberry stim free version and loved it. This one however was disgusting. One of the absolute worst flavors I have ever had for a pre workout. I took double the dose (two scoops) and didn't really feel anything either, however, I was tired from the lack of sleep.


    Today's Workout
    I did my 2A workout version.


    Flat Bench Press:
    6x215
    3x215
    1x215
    Rest-Pause sets
    I really really hate my crappy bench


    Rack Pulls:
    8x425
    8x425
    8x425
    Straight sets
    These felt ok while I did them but my back was sore afterwards, like kinked. I guess I need to pay better attention to form next time.


    Wide Grip Lat Pull-downs on FreeMotion:
    9x200 (Max stack load)
    4x200
    1x200
    Rest-Pause sets
    I looked at my log and the last time I did these were about 6 weeks ago (I think), but I have been keeping up with pull-ups and similar movements. The disheartening part was that after 6 weeks, I have only gone up by 1 rep. T


    Paramount Shoulder Press:
    7x145
    0x145 -fail
    5x115
    4x115
    Rest-Pause sets
    Tried a new version today.


    Tricep Extensions (Paramount machine, behind the head starting position):
    10x190
    8x190
    2x190
    Rest-Pause sets


    Straight Arm Push-downs (FreeMotion cables):
    5x75 (max weight stack)
    3x75
    3x75
    Rest-Pause sets


    Extreme stretches were done as well. Started alpha one today at 40mg. Will bump up to 60 mg probably tomorrow.
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