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Planning 2nd Hdrol cycle...a few questions

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    Planning 2nd Hdrol cycle...a few questions


    Hello guys, i ran a cycle of Hdrol 50mg for 4 weeks exactly a year ago with great results (when i was 25yrs, now im 26), im planning on starting a 2nd cycle very soon and would like people to review it. My main question is...should i buy a SERM. If so should i get torem or nolva and what should the dosage be? I was thinking since i have sustain, i could run a super low dose or just run it for 1 week...let me know your thoughts. Also i will be going on flying during my PCT, ill have gym/food access but im curious about flying with serm, is this is problem? should i put the pills into a vit c container?

    Would Torem: 20/10/10/0
    Or Nolva: 20/10/10/0 work?

    Thanks!!

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    HDROL CYCLE:
    Throughout (pre, cycle, and post...):
    ZMA, multi-vitamin, vitamin C (250mg), vitamin D(3), digestive enzymes w/ each meal, omega-3 fish oil (krill), Nizoral shampoo (3 times a week), probiotics, and ginkgo biloba

    Pre cycle:
    Week -2: 450mg milk thistle
    Week -1: 450mg milk thistle

    Cycle:
    Week 1: 75mg Hdrol, 2 scoops cycle support
    Week 2: 75mg Hdrol, 2 scoops cycle support, 5g creatine
    Week 3: 75mg Hdrol, 2 scoops cycle support, 5g creatine
    Week 4: 75mg Hdrol, 2 scoops cycle support, 5g creatine

    PCT:
    Week 5: 200mg I3C, 1 scoops cycle support, 5g creatine, 1250mg tribulus, 5ml x2 Sustain (5 days on, 2 days off), 1 scoop Toco8, 450mg milk thistle

    Week 6: 200mg I3C, 1 scoops cycle support, 5g creatine, 1250mg tribulus, 5ml x2 Sustain (5 days on, 2 days off), 1 scoop Toco8, 450mg milk thistle

    Week 7: 400mg I3C, 5g creatine, 1 scoop EndoAmp, 1250mg tribulus, 5ml x2 daily Sustain (5 days on, 2 days off), 1 scoop Toco8, 450mg milk thistle

    Week 8: 5g creatine, 1 scoop EndoAmp, 625mg tribulus, 5ml x2 daily Sustain (5 days on, 2 days off), 1 scoop Toco8, 450mg milk thistle

    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

    Key:
    Sustain = Primordial Performance – Sustain Alpha Liqua-Vade
    EndoAmp = Primordial Performance – EndoAmp
    Toco8 = Primordial Performance – Toco-8
    Cycle support = Anabolic Innovations – Cycle support
    I3C = NOW - Indole-3-Carbinol
    Tribulus = Twinlabs – Tribulus Fuel
    Milk Thistle = Jarrow Formulas – (standardized Silymarin Extract 30:1 – 80% total flavonoids)

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    tunedsports(dot)com/designer-steroids/the-halodrol-h-drol-informative-bible

    that has a lot of info i suggest looking at.

    -I would suggest a serm because its a lot cheaper than buying OTC PCT and it has been proven to work. I would go with nolva also. But hdol is only a class 2 so you can get away with an OTC PCT but i wouldn't test it. im guessing you already did and were fine but as for my hdrol cycle i didnt ! rather by safe than sorry ya know.
    -About flying. If you have another medicine bottle but it in there.

    hope this helps bro
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    Quote Originally Posted by rabican View Post
    Hello guys, i ran a cycle of Hdrol 50mg for 4 weeks exactly a year ago with great results (when i was 25yrs, now im 26), im planning on starting a 2nd cycle very soon and would like people to review it. My main question is...should i buy a SERM. If so should i get torem or nolva and what should the dosage be? I was thinking since i have sustain, i could run a super low dose or just run it for 1 week...let me know your thoughts. Also i will be going on flying during my PCT, ill have gym/food access but im curious about flying with serm, is this is problem? should i put the pills into a vit c container?

    Would Torem: 20/10/10/0
    Or Nolva: 20/10/10/0 work?

    Thanks!!

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    HDROL CYCLE:
    Throughout (pre, cycle, and post...):
    ZMA, multi-vitamin, vitamin C (250mg), vitamin D(3), digestive enzymes w/ each meal, omega-3 fish oil (krill), Nizoral shampoo (3 times a week), probiotics, and ginkgo biloba

    Pre cycle:
    Week -2: 450mg milk thistle
    Week -1: 450mg milk thistle

    Cycle:
    Week 1: 75mg Hdrol, 2 scoops cycle support
    Week 2: 75mg Hdrol, 2 scoops cycle support, 5g creatine
    Week 3: 75mg Hdrol, 2 scoops cycle support, 5g creatine
    Week 4: 75mg Hdrol, 2 scoops cycle support, 5g creatine

    PCT:
    Week 5: 200mg I3C, 1 scoops cycle support, 5g creatine, 1250mg tribulus, 5ml x2 Sustain (5 days on, 2 days off), 1 scoop Toco8, 450mg milk thistle

    Week 6: 200mg I3C, 1 scoops cycle support, 5g creatine, 1250mg tribulus, 5ml x2 Sustain (5 days on, 2 days off), 1 scoop Toco8, 450mg milk thistle

    Week 7: 400mg I3C, 5g creatine, 1 scoop EndoAmp, 1250mg tribulus, 5ml x2 daily Sustain (5 days on, 2 days off), 1 scoop Toco8, 450mg milk thistle

    Week 8: 5g creatine, 1 scoop EndoAmp, 625mg tribulus, 5ml x2 daily Sustain (5 days on, 2 days off), 1 scoop Toco8, 450mg milk thistle

    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

    Key:
    Sustain = Primordial Performance Sustain Alpha Liqua-Vade
    EndoAmp = Primordial Performance EndoAmp
    Toco8 = Primordial Performance Toco-8
    Cycle support = Anabolic Innovations Cycle support
    I3C = NOW - Indole-3-Carbinol
    Tribulus = Twinlabs Tribulus Fuel
    Milk Thistle = Jarrow Formulas (standardized Silymarin Extract 30:1 80% total flavonoids)

    First off, i would run milk thistle all the way through your cycle and pct. it wont hurt anything. Second, to answer your question, because Hdrol is mild PH you dont need a SERM but i would have one available just incase. torem 20/20/10/10 is good if you decide to use it. and for the pills on the plane, just put them in another container, then they look like "just another vitamin" then.
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    way to much extra crap! run the h-drol 75 mgs. see how you feel then maybe pulse 100mg. eod. buy the serm and be smart. hdrol will not shut you down that bad especially @ that amount. use taurine for pumps if you need. save your money. the rest of that is just nonsense. be smart and listen to your body.
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    Okay so here is the cycle (with serm added), first hdrol dose is next Tuesday.
    Also i will be flying to FL for a few days during week 4. I'm curious if i should pack a few pills in my carry-on just encase my checked baggage gets taken. Also should i hide it in a diff bottle(Tylenol), or actually bring the CEL bottle/receipt (since hdrol is sorta legal pro hormone).

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    HDROL CYCLE:
    Throughout (pre, cycle, and post...):
    ZMA, multi-vitamin, vitamin C (250mg), vitamin D3, digestive enzymes w/ each meal, omega-3 fish oil, Nizoral shampoo, probiotics

    Pre cycle:
    Week -2: 450mg milk thistle
    Week -1: 450mg milk thistle *start cycle support 4 days before cycle*

    Cycle:
    Week 1: 75mg Hdrol, 2 scoops cycle support, 450mg milk thistle
    Week 2: 75mg Hdrol, 2 scoops cycle support, 450mg milk thistle, 5g creatine
    Week 3: 75mg Hdrol, 2 scoops cycle support, 450mg milk thistle, 5g creatine
    Week 4: 75mg Hdrol, 2 scoops cycle support, 450mg milk thistle, 5g creatine, TCF-1 (6 days before end of cycle)

    PCT:
    Week 5: 20mg Nolva, 200mg I3C, 1 scoops cycle support, 5g creatine, 1250mg tribulus, 5ml x2 Sustain (5 days on, 2 days off), 1 scoop Toco8, 450mg milk thistle, TCF-1 (6 more days)

    Week 6: 20mg Nolva, 200mg I3C, 1 scoops cycle support, 5g creatine, 1250mg tribulus, 5ml x2 Sustain (5 days on, 2 days off), 1 scoop Toco8, 450mg milk thistle

    Week 7: 10mg Nolva, 400mg I3C, 5g creatine, 1 scoop EndoAmp, 1250mg tribulus, 5ml x2 daily Sustain (5 days on, 2 days off), 1 scoop Toco8, 450mg milk thistle, TCF-1 (12 days after last dose)

    Week 8: 10mg Nolva, 5g creatine, 1 scoop EndoAmp, 625mg tribulus, 5ml x2 daily Sustain (5 days on, 2 days off), 1 scoop Toco8, 450mg milk thistle, TCF-1
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    Looks much better. Up the milk thistle to 800mg daily if i were you. I would also run the cycle 6wks
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    Also no creatine til pct and up the trib to 3GS a day during pct. It's only really going to up your libido.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gymrat827 View Post
    Looks much better. Up the milk thistle to 800mg daily if i were you. I would also run the cycle 6wks
    definetely run 6 weeks like mentioned, and also agree with saving creatine for PCT.
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    any Updates ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by newbie09 View Post
    any Updates ?
    Its day 6, i look alittle fuller, gained 2 lbs. Iv been having trouble sleeping well...takes me about a hour to fall alseep each night ( i didnt have this issue last year on 50mg...). So far my lifts have been good, getting stronger. I didnt expect much week 1...week 2 should be better then 3 should be real good...ill keep you posted.
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    4 weeks cycle?

    do 6~7 weeks man. more solid gains....and h-drol is not toooo dangerous for the liver

    i already used last year....ANY side effect...i'll use agin this mounth will be Turinabol Liqua vade abd TREN liqua vade by PP

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    i think ill make solid enough gains on 4 weeks, mb next year ill do 75mg for 5weeks. I want to make sure my recovery is strong.

    so far im up 3lbs.
    some strength gains.
    it should get good in a few days, i start creatine today.
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    I've read a lot of peeps mention Inhibit E (ATD for PCT, or after the SERM in the PCT if one is used.)

    What are peeps opinion on using Superdrol NG for OTC PCT for H-drol? Seeing as it has ATD in it?
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    Push for 6 weeks. I ran mine 50/100/100/150/150/150 . Strength gains were great.
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    I may go 5 weeks, im considering it...

    My sleep has gotten alot better! First week was rough, but lifting hard has made me so tired im back to normal. Back pumps were getting bad *only while sleeping* so i got taurin and its helping

    Strength is great, recovery is great. I cant wait to gain some real size next week.
  

  
 

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