[JW390898]

For anyone who is interested I started yesterday a Cynostane and 1-T Tren stack, set to run for 30 days.

I am looking to bulk up while minimising fat gains, but really looking for some mass and so will be eating!

Age 33
Height 6ft 1"
Start Weight 187.5lbs
BF (using calipers and Jackson Pollock method) 9.90%

Cycle Supps
Cynostane 3xcaps a day (90mg) for 30 days
1-T Tren First week 3 squirts a day then 4 each day till finishes, should be roughly 28days by ramping it
AI Cycle Assist 2xDay
Agnus Castus (Vitex) 2x400mg a day

PCT
I-Force Reversitol
DS Lean Xtreme
AI Testopro
AI Glycobol
CEE
AI Maniac Pre Workout (hopefully maintain focus after cycle in workouts)
I also have about 12days Tamoxifen on hand should I need before all the SERM preachers flame me

Diet for Day 1 (Will not be logging this everyday just posting this so people get a feel for how I am eating)

WakeUp 06:30 1xCynostane + 3-4 squirts 1-T Tren
60g Whey
100g Oats
250ml Semi Skimmed Milk

AM 09:00
Home made Oat Bake - 60g Oats, 1.5 med Eggs, 20g Ground Almond, 40g Whey Choc Cookie Flavour - good! Other days I sub the eggs for natt pb

Lunch 12:00 1xCynostane
300g Low Fat Cottage Cheese
8oz Sweet Potato

PM 15:00
60g Blended Oats Blended 1/2 cup Broccoli and Blended Green Apple, 40g Whey

Dinner/Pre Workout 18:00 - 1xCynostane
8oz Chicken Breast - roasted with drizzle Extra VirginOlive Oil and seasoning
100g Brown Rice mixed with chopped tomatos to make sauce
1 cup of Spinnach

30-mins before workout 19:15
5g Taurine
3g CEE
5g AAKG

Post Workout
50g Waxy Maize Starch + 30g Whey Isolate

Pre Bed - 45 mins after Workout
2x Shredded Wheat 200ml Semi Skimmed Milk
40g Whey + 60g Milk Protein Isolate
1tblsp flaxseed oil

Total Calories 4094 - Protein-390g, Carbs-393g, Fat-114g

I will weight and take skin readings every 2-3 days and increase/decrease calories accordingly but this is approx 700 above maintenance. A Non-Workout day would be very similar minus the post workout carbs and protein recovery shake.


Training
I have been doing and normally train more strength 5x5 3x a week full body based routine focussing on the big lifts but while on cycle I will increase reps and volume and move to a 4 day split to take advantage of the increased recovery etc and will make a real effotr to REALLY focus on isolating and working the muscle groups involved.

M - Legs Back Bi
T - Chest Shoulder Tri
TH - Same as Monday
F - Same as Tues

I will then switch straight back to a strength phase on day 1 of PCT and look to a 5x3 2-3 day a week schedule slowly increasing volume and frequency once more over the 4 weeks till fully recovered.
I am hoping by increasing volume rather than weight on cycle I can work in the hypertrophy ranges of reps and then switch in PCT to strength low rep work and force my body to preserve gains by tapping in to the stregth gains from the cycle.
I have always trained on cycle for strength and really struggled in PCT o maintain lifts and this obviously does nothing to maintain gains.


I started 18/04/10 on a rest day and only took 2xCynostane and 2 squirts of 1-T Tren.

Today 19/04/10 I am on 3xCyno and 3x 1-T Tren and looking forward to some lifting this evening.

Planned Routine:
Stiff Legged Deadlift 2x10
Leg Curls 3x12-15
Hamstring Curls 2x15
Calf Raises 2x20
Barbell Row 4x8
Lat Pull Down 3x8-10
Barbell Curls 2x10
Preacher EzBar Curls 2x10

Other Day
Flat Bench Press 4x8
Incline Bench 3x8
Flyes 1x12
Standing Military Press 4x8
Lateral DB Raises 2x10
Close Grip Bench 2x8
Dips Weighted 2x18

Rests will be 60-90secs without timing myself but from years of having timed I know fairly accurately how long I have waited and often have to stop myself from counting seconds sub-consciously!

Any feedback, views and or support is all welcome - otherwise I won't bother logging! :-)

[corsaking]

Continue logging regardless of input -dont forget a lot of people just read these posts without saying anything .

[JW390898]

Continue logging regardless of input -dont forget a lot of people just read these posts without saying anything .

True

any feedback?

[Aaelael]

Well my friend you have quite the work out planned!! hahah 1t and some cynostane let the good times roll as they say. . whats your PCT look like?? and those are some nasty work outs!!! haha

[JW390898]

Well my friend you have quite the work out planned!! hahah 1t and some cynostane let the good times roll as they say. . whats your PCT look like?? and those are some nasty work outs!!! haha

PCT is laid down in the original post so please take a look and let me know.

Workout, well I am following good advice to increase reps/volume upto 50% on cycle then coming off reduce volume and increase weights to give the body reason to preserve new mass and not struggle to amintain increased weights from cycle.

I'll tell you after tommorrow if it is too much!! Thinking today's is the more draining of the two days training.

Mind do not forget the emphasis is going to be very much on quality of reps and working the muscle as apposed smashing PB'S and I will be terminating each set as soon as a rep becomes noticeably heavier/speed-form show signs of breaking down - I will not be frying the CNS going to total failure like the HIT boys, hoping the mass will come from the food and increased volume of workout - of course the goodies being taken too :-)

[JW390898]

Day 3

Woken up and applied the Tren and swallowed the Cynostane with a wash of protein and oats. Tren seems to take an age to absorb in to the skin when you have to walk around for 20minutes fixing breakfast without a top on and UK weather in April - and it is currently as good as April gets!

Training last night (1st session on cycle) went well nothing extreme but pleasingly I seemed to have assessed the weights on most lifts correctly being I have changed routine and hope to do the same tonight. Good workout, really squeezed the lats on rows and pulldowns and for once, with my enthusiasm for the cycle, quite enojoyed two sets of deads/romanian lifts.

Will weight myself tommorrow and take BF readings once more, prob do so every 2-3 days and use that to assess calories.

Notes
Slept like a baby - and I am a poor sleeper normally.
Appetite possibly has increased but this might just be subconsciously convincing myself I am hungry as I am looking to consume a calorie surplus.

[matthias7]

Watch for night-sweat sides.

[JW390898]

Watch for night-sweat sides.

From all the logs I have read there is a lot of mention of sweating using Tren especially when working out (can possibly relate to that yesterday but deadlifts has that effect to!) but not at night - hoping not as sleep I struggle with so was really glad with the great sleep yesterday.

However, I have suffered the sweaty nights before with other products - most memorable was 3-AD it was terrible with this. I think it is something to do with your receptors - I did once research it but when realising it is an inconvieniance and not a problem stopped worrying and forgot all about it.


Any opinions anyone on diet, cycle, pct etc?

[corsaking]

Day 3

Woken up and applied the Tren and swallowed the Cynostane with a wash of protein and oats. Tren seems to take an age to absorb in to the skin when you have to walk around for 20minutes fixing breakfast without a top on and UK weather in April - and it is currently as good as April gets!

Training last night (1st session on cycle) went well nothing extreme but pleasingly I seemed to have assessed the weights on most lifts correctly being I have changed routine and hope to do the same tonight. Good workout, really squeezed the lats on rows and pulldowns and for once, with my enthusiasm for the cycle, quite enojoyed two sets of deads/romanian lifts.

Will weight myself tommorrow and take BF readings once more, prob do so every 2-3 days and use that to assess calories.

Notes
Slept like a baby - and I am a poor sleeper normally.
Appetite possibly has increased but this might just be subconsciously convincing myself I am hungry as I am looking to consume a calorie surplus.

from what ive read cyno does increase appetite -have you checked the writeup on muscletalk forum

[JW390898]

from what ive read cyno does increase appetite -have you checked the writeup on muscletalk forum

Sure, think I have read every log on the internet for both compunds and each product in my pct - tend to spend every bored minute researching a cycle!

Lot of muscletalk posts stating how it is calorie conscious and requires feeding, especially carbs - partly my choice for it along with the milder sides as I tend not to eat carbs in huge amounts normally but saw it as a positive to shock things up on cycle with some pasta and sweet potatoes and tons of oats. The Tren is there to assist with strength and size as Cyno on its own will not get me huge, but also being a lotion no liver issues and it is also quite dry also to assist with lean bulking.

Thats all the theory anyways.

[corsaking]

Sure, think I have read every log on the internet for both compunds and each product in my pct - tend to spend every bored minute researching a cycle!

Lot of muscletalk posts stating how it is calorie conscious and requires feeding, especially carbs - partly my choice for it along with the milder sides as I tend not to eat carbs in huge amounts normally but saw it as a positive to shock things up on cycle with some pasta and sweet potatoes and tons of oats. The Tren is there to assist with strength and size as Cyno on its own will not get me huge, but also being a lotion no liver issues and it is also quite dry also to assist with lean bulking.

Thats all the theory anyways.

glad to see you think about your liver? do you know how long cyno stays in the blood after end of cycle?

[JW390898]

glad to see you think about your liver? do you know how long cyno stays in the blood after end of cycle?

I believe only 8-12 hours.

I am also using AI Cycle Assist throughout cycle. Cyno is meant to be fairly mild on the organs anyway, so I should have that covered.

Using Agnus Castrus (Vitex) 2x400mg a day as I came across a lot of logs where people had gyno concerns from Tren and used Vitex to clear it during cycle. Though I am dosing it lower to begin and then the lower side fo a reg cycle for the rest being I am stacking.

[JW390898]

Day 4 (3x Cynostane 3x1-T Tren)

187lbs (-.5lb) **** I am eating big and have lost .5lbs!

Did skin caliper measurements and got different readings but I suspect more accurate as I had the mrs do them as apposed attempting it myself and came in at 12%bf which would suggest a loss of weight and increase in fat in 4 days - but in reality I think this percentage to be more likely than the one I took so will use this as my starting gauge.

I do not feel any chunkier so am confident I have not set off on the path of lardiness.

I will add an extra 150-200 calories today and plan for the same tommorrow but will now take weight and bf recordings daily in an effort to get the optimum food intake for this cycle.

Good workout last night, once more did well with guessing my starting weights, though I did have to accept only 1 set of dips rather than my planned 2 as my triceps struggled on the first set and I felt it silly to fry them so early on into this, hopefully there will be an increased work capacity next time or soon.

4200 Calories Today, 390g Protein, 125g Fats and the rest Carbs (software crashed on me but think it was about 480g).

Moving on to 4 squirts of Tren from tommorrow.

[jklooking]

Day 4 (3x Cynostane 3x1-T Tren)

187lbs (-.5lb) **** I am eating big and have lost .5lbs!

Did skin caliper measurements and got different readings but I suspect more accurate as I had the mrs do them as apposed attempting it myself and came in at 12%bf which would suggest a loss of weight and increase in fat in 4 days - but in reality I think this percentage to be more likely than the one I took so will use this as my starting gauge.

I do not feel any chunkier so am confident I have not set off on the path of lardiness.

I will add an extra 150-200 calories today and plan for the same tommorrow but will now take weight and bf recordings daily in an effort to get the optimum food intake for this cycle.

Good workout last night, once more did well with guessing my starting weights, though I did have to accept only 1 set of dips rather than my planned 2 as my triceps struggled on the first set and I felt it silly to fry them so early on into this, hopefully there will be an increased work capacity next time or soon.

4200 Calories Today, 390g Protein, 125g Fats and the rest Carbs (software crashed on me but think it was about 480g).

Moving on to 4 squirts of Tren from tommorrow.

Very nice. I'm keeping track of this thread. Keep us posted!
JK

[JW390898]

Very nice. I'm keeping track of this thread. Keep us posted!
JK

Well I have finished - worst cycle ever!

On days 9&10 I was so lethargic and felt spaced and had mild chest pains so emailed the customer advice from where I bought it and discussed the cycle with and was told to drop the Tren down to 2 squirts. I did this for 2 days and it felt a bit better but not great so figured I'd cut the Tren all together and use it another time being I had prob a 3 week cycle left with how I had used it.

From there I never really felt much better. I have had horrible back pains but not pumps like I normally would have from a PH and even mega dosing Taurine and cuycle support supps never dealt with it - also energy has been low despite increased calories.

I had no strength increases and weight gains were mild if non existant in respect to the compound when you consider the calories being consumed. I gained about 6lbs and increased from 10.5% to nearly 12%bf - and I ate clean, though did no cardio as had no energy and had to focus what I had on weights.

So basically today is first day of PCT when I should have had 9 days left of Cyno (now in the bin). Horrible cycle.

On plus notes I have not felt shut down at all and libido has been normal or better throughout, very very mild acne as in a couple of small face pimples and possibly a tiny shrinkage of balls - but though the mrs would disagree I never check them that often outside of a cycle to really compare that well!
Hoping given back and energy aside recovery will be quick and have decided being I feel no shut down at all to stick with Reversitol and Lean Xtreme. I am going to save my Testopro and Glycobol for next PCT.

I am going to go back to the Anabolic Solution diet tommorrow and with the Lean Xtreme in PCT lose a little of the bloat for summer, then come August/September give the Tren a go, possibly buying another to have a 4-6 week run or maybe stack it with straight 1-T.

Anyways rubbish cycle and very dissapointing - only thing I can agree with on the Cyno front is it is easy recovery (if how I am feelingnow is anything to go by) but so mild for gains that my experience of back pains make it not worth it - assuming the Tren combo did not aggrevate this but I have been off it for 2 weeks and do not believe.

[jklooking]

Well I have finished - worst cycle ever!

On days 9&10 I was so lethargic and felt spaced and had mild chest pains so emailed the customer advice from where I bought it and discussed the cycle with and was told to drop the Tren down to 2 squirts. I did this for 2 days and it felt a bit better but not great so figured I'd cut the Tren all together and use it another time being I had prob a 3 week cycle left with how I had used it.

From there I never really felt much better. I have had horrible back pains but not pumps like I normally would have from a PH and even mega dosing Taurine and cuycle support supps never dealt with it - also energy has been low despite increased calories.

I did not like Tren for that reason. I've been trading my stock away because of the lethargy I felt while on.

Sorry to hear it was a pisser.

JK

[JW390898]

I did not like Tren for that reason. I've been trading my stock away because of the lethargy I felt while on.

Sorry to hear it was a pisser.

JK

be honest cant say for sure that was Tren as I have still had it to some extent for the 10 days since packing it in and sticking with just Cynostane.

the fact i have two thirds left i will use it or try it again at least - not a cheap ph in first place and never know it might not have been cause at all but cyno and the combo made cyno worse! - hoping anyway, gonna have a break for a couple of months now anyways