M1,4ADD and M1T

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  1. No bloat here either. For those who are wondering, I went up 10mg and ran it for three days, then went up another 10mg for another three days and so on until I found what worked for me.

    For some reason I have to take a higher dose of everything to get much effect except M1T. There's no way I can go over 10mg on that and still get off the couch.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by farmer
    No bloat here either. For those who are wondering, I went up 10mg and ran it for three days, then went up another 10mg for another three days and so on until I found what worked for me.

    For some reason I have to take a higher dose of everything to get much effect except M1T. There's no way I can go over 10mg on that and still get off the couch.
    i know exactly what you mean with the M1T lethargy. i couldn't do more than 10-15mg/day or i just felt like death not like i wasn't dying on just 10mg. maybe that's why i didn't feel anything till the 14th day and ran it almost 4 weeks total to get any gains. it was awesome lean gains, but i got real bad bloat towards the end of the cycle only.

    If you guys say no bloat on M1,4ADD, i'm thinking of running it at 30mg/day for 1-4 weeks with M1T at 5mg/day for 2-4 weeks. what do you guys think? will it give me good lean gains with very minimal lethargy?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    Temper, however, is a different story. My fuse has shortened to non-existent lately. Doesn't go well with the job of dealing with dickheads all day. But so far, it's under control.
    I know exactly what you mean here. Good thing I work night shifts by myself.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by lancelot
    i know exactly what you mean with the M1T lethargy. i couldn't do more than 10-15mg/day or i just felt like death not like i wasn't dying on just 10mg. maybe that's why i didn't feel anything till the 14th day and ran it almost 4 weeks total to get any gains. it was awesome lean gains, but i got real bad bloat towards the end of the cycle only.

    If you guys say no bloat on M1,4ADD, i'm thinking of running it at 30mg/day for 1-4 weeks with M1T at 5mg/day for 2-4 weeks. what do you guys think? will it give me good lean gains with very minimal lethargy?
    that is my plan of action along with m5aa preworkout.. i may just do 20mg's of m1,4add however.. i haven't decided yet.. just doing m1,4add and m5aa preworkout at the moment..

  5. 20mg of M1,4ADD is a waste.
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  6. Well, something is definately working. Weighed in at 263lbs last night. Deadlifts went up 1 rep from last week to 475 for 3 reps. Close grip pulldowns went up 30lbs from last week (cable is about to max out again). Underhand barbell rows up 10lbs from last week to 265 for 6 reps. Trying a little something new on biceps. Going for lower weight, higher reps after I read something in the training section yesterday. Gonna give it a try for a few weeks and see what happens. The pump was awful, couldn't even scratch my head afterwards without a spot. I'll take some measurements this weekend and see how things are going.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by lancelot
    i know exactly what you mean with the M1T lethargy. i couldn't do more than 10-15mg/day or i just felt like death not like i wasn't dying on just 10mg. maybe that's why i didn't feel anything till the 14th day and ran it almost 4 weeks total to get any gains. it was awesome lean gains, but i got real bad bloat towards the end of the cycle only.

    If you guys say no bloat on M1,4ADD, i'm thinking of running it at 30mg/day for 1-4 weeks with M1T at 5mg/day for 2-4 weeks. what do you guys think? will it give me good lean gains with very minimal lethargy?
    No bloat and excellent pumps.

  8. These back pumps are starting to get beyond my tolerance. I might have to cut the M1T down to 10mg's and if that doesn't work I might cut it out totally. If I bump it out totally, I'll bump the M1,4ADD up to 30mg's. Acne is starting to get out of hand also. I'm breaking out everywhere regardless of my water intake. Just a heads up on how things are going. Today is the 2 week mark since I started.

  9. Beezlbub, Are you taking taurine? It should help a lot with the back pumps.
    3~5 gm/day.

  10. No, I haven't taken it but it's being strongly considered. I've had the back pumps before from past cycles but never this bad. I figured I might be one of the lucky ones but apparently not. Regardless, I dropped the M1T dosage to 10mgs last night and upped the M1,4ADD to 30mgs. So far the back pumps have subsided but the day is young.

  11. yowza.. when i throw m1t into my cycle w/ m1,4add i may just take 5mg's then.. hopefully the UG labs pills aren't capped =/ I haven't looked at them yet..

  12. oh and i'm taking 30mg's of m1,4add was thinking of upping it to 40mgs as it appears that everyone says a lot more than 20-30 is necessary..but i don't think i'll go crazy like 100mgs that's a lil too much..

    When do the effects of m1,4add fully come into effect like 2 weeks?

  13. Well, I heard 3 weeks before the full effect hits but I can't say for sure.

  14. really?? damn! I guess i'll just have to deal with it combo'd with m1t.. =(

  15. Guys, I don't mean to lecture or sound like a broken record, but if you are taking an adequate dose,ie at least 70 mg, it will not take ~3 weeks to kick in. As I started to dose above that in increments, the effect was almost imediate.Like I noticed a diference in only a day or two, and my weight would go up.

    Just relaying my experience.

  16. Oh, I read you loud and clear Lean One. I'm just gonna stick to this for now and see what the overall effects are. So far, I'm happy with the gains I've seen. I do think you are right in regards to upping the dosage of M1,4ADD but I just don't think it is wise for me at this time taking it along with M1T.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    Oh, I read you loud and clear Lean One. I'm just gonna stick to this for now and see what the overall effects are. So far, I'm happy with the gains I've seen. I do think you are right in regards to upping the dosage of M1,4ADD but I just don't think it is wise for me at this time taking it along with M1T.
    That's cool man. Get some taurine though. It's very cheap if you buy it in bulk. You'll be happy you did. Good luck.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Lean One
    Guys, I don't mean to lecture or sound like a broken record, but if you are taking an adequate dose,ie at least 70 mg, it will not take ~3 weeks to kick in. As I started to dose above that in increments, the effect was almost imediate.Like I noticed a diference in only a day or two, and my weight would go up.

    Just relaying my experience.
    true but wouldn't it be that much harsher on your liver to slam it with a ton of ph's all at once?? which is kinda why you gotta ease it in?

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    Mainly because I'm not too keen about stacking methyls so I wanted to keep the dose as low as possible on the new one (M1,4ADD). I like what I've seen so far so there shouldn't be any need to up the dosage.
    plan on getting any blood tests post cycle?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by propho
    true but wouldn't it be that much harsher on your liver to slam it with a ton of ph's all at once?? which is kinda why you gotta ease it in?
    IMHO, No.

  21. Well, I couldn't take it anymore. Dropped M1T last night completely and I'm already feeling tons better. Weighed in at 264lbs yesterday but I'm sure that'll drop some now that I'm off the M1T. Did shoulders and tris last night and got 275lbs for 4 reps on the military press. Not too bad but I thought I would have got more, got 225 for 12 easily on the previous set. Tri's went good, changed it up a little. Took close grips out, didn't feel right anymore. French curls went up to 120lbs for 6 reps. I'm keeping the M1,4ADD at 30mgs for now but might bump it to 40mgs next week depending on how thing are going.

    As for blood tests, I asked the Doc (navy guy) if I could have this done and that's a negative. They deal with cholesterol levels and such.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    Well, I couldn't take it anymore. Dropped M1T last night completely and I'm already feeling tons better. Weighed in at 264lbs yesterday but I'm sure that'll drop some now that I'm off the M1T. Did shoulders and tris last night and got 275lbs for 4 reps on the military press. Not too bad but I thought I would have got more, got 225 for 12 easily on the previous set. Tri's went good, changed it up a little. Took close grips out, didn't feel right anymore. French curls went up to 120lbs for 6 reps. I'm keeping the M1,4ADD at 30mgs for now but might bump it to 40mgs next week depending on how thing are going.

    As for blood tests, I asked the Doc (navy guy) if I could have this done and that's a negative. They deal with cholesterol levels and such.
    Good **** man...glad to hear things are going good for ya! 264...holy **** . You have to buy new uniforms yet? Lates

  23. Yeah man, I had to special order some new ones actually. They don't carry my size in the uniform store. You're getting there bro, just stick with it.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    Well, I couldn't take it anymore. Dropped M1T last night completely and I'm already feeling tons better. Weighed in at 264lbs yesterday but I'm sure that'll drop some now that I'm off the M1T. Did shoulders and tris last night and got 275lbs for 4 reps on the military press. Not too bad but I thought I would have got more, got 225 for 12 easily on the previous set. Tri's went good, changed it up a little. Took close grips out, didn't feel right anymore. French curls went up to 120lbs for 6 reps. I'm keeping the M1,4ADD at 30mgs for now but might bump it to 40mgs next week depending on how thing are going.

    As for blood tests, I asked the Doc (navy guy) if I could have this done and that's a negative. They deal with cholesterol levels and such.
    Hrmm well when I throw m1t into my mix I guess i'll stay at 5mgs I hope that is even enough for any effect from m1t.. well it's good to hear that you are feeling better again..

  25. Quote Originally Posted by propho
    Hrmm well when I throw m1t into my mix I guess i'll stay at 5mgs I hope that is even enough for any effect from m1t.. well it's good to hear that you are feeling better again..
    Thanks brudda. From what I've seen and experienced, I get my best gains from M1T within the 10-14 day mark anyway. After that, the sides get so bad that I can't workout or eat properly. I'd definately recommend starting with 5mg and see how it goes before you consider bumping it up.
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