M1,4ADD and M1T

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  1. Well, something is definately working. Weighed in at 263lbs last night. Deadlifts went up 1 rep from last week to 475 for 3 reps. Close grip pulldowns went up 30lbs from last week (cable is about to max out again). Underhand barbell rows up 10lbs from last week to 265 for 6 reps. Trying a little something new on biceps. Going for lower weight, higher reps after I read something in the training section yesterday. Gonna give it a try for a few weeks and see what happens. The pump was awful, couldn't even scratch my head afterwards without a spot. I'll take some measurements this weekend and see how things are going.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by lancelot
    i know exactly what you mean with the M1T lethargy. i couldn't do more than 10-15mg/day or i just felt like death not like i wasn't dying on just 10mg. maybe that's why i didn't feel anything till the 14th day and ran it almost 4 weeks total to get any gains. it was awesome lean gains, but i got real bad bloat towards the end of the cycle only.

    If you guys say no bloat on M1,4ADD, i'm thinking of running it at 30mg/day for 1-4 weeks with M1T at 5mg/day for 2-4 weeks. what do you guys think? will it give me good lean gains with very minimal lethargy?
    No bloat and excellent pumps.
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  3. These back pumps are starting to get beyond my tolerance. I might have to cut the M1T down to 10mg's and if that doesn't work I might cut it out totally. If I bump it out totally, I'll bump the M1,4ADD up to 30mg's. Acne is starting to get out of hand also. I'm breaking out everywhere regardless of my water intake. Just a heads up on how things are going. Today is the 2 week mark since I started.

  4. Beezlbub, Are you taking taurine? It should help a lot with the back pumps.
    3~5 gm/day.

  5. No, I haven't taken it but it's being strongly considered. I've had the back pumps before from past cycles but never this bad. I figured I might be one of the lucky ones but apparently not. Regardless, I dropped the M1T dosage to 10mgs last night and upped the M1,4ADD to 30mgs. So far the back pumps have subsided but the day is young.
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  6. yowza.. when i throw m1t into my cycle w/ m1,4add i may just take 5mg's then.. hopefully the UG labs pills aren't capped =/ I haven't looked at them yet..

  7. oh and i'm taking 30mg's of m1,4add was thinking of upping it to 40mgs as it appears that everyone says a lot more than 20-30 is necessary..but i don't think i'll go crazy like 100mgs that's a lil too much..

    When do the effects of m1,4add fully come into effect like 2 weeks?

  8. Well, I heard 3 weeks before the full effect hits but I can't say for sure.

  9. really?? damn! I guess i'll just have to deal with it combo'd with m1t.. =(

  10. Guys, I don't mean to lecture or sound like a broken record, but if you are taking an adequate dose,ie at least 70 mg, it will not take ~3 weeks to kick in. As I started to dose above that in increments, the effect was almost imediate.Like I noticed a diference in only a day or two, and my weight would go up.

    Just relaying my experience.

  11. Oh, I read you loud and clear Lean One. I'm just gonna stick to this for now and see what the overall effects are. So far, I'm happy with the gains I've seen. I do think you are right in regards to upping the dosage of M1,4ADD but I just don't think it is wise for me at this time taking it along with M1T.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    Oh, I read you loud and clear Lean One. I'm just gonna stick to this for now and see what the overall effects are. So far, I'm happy with the gains I've seen. I do think you are right in regards to upping the dosage of M1,4ADD but I just don't think it is wise for me at this time taking it along with M1T.
    That's cool man. Get some taurine though. It's very cheap if you buy it in bulk. You'll be happy you did. Good luck.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Lean One
    Guys, I don't mean to lecture or sound like a broken record, but if you are taking an adequate dose,ie at least 70 mg, it will not take ~3 weeks to kick in. As I started to dose above that in increments, the effect was almost imediate.Like I noticed a diference in only a day or two, and my weight would go up.

    Just relaying my experience.
    true but wouldn't it be that much harsher on your liver to slam it with a ton of ph's all at once?? which is kinda why you gotta ease it in?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    Mainly because I'm not too keen about stacking methyls so I wanted to keep the dose as low as possible on the new one (M1,4ADD). I like what I've seen so far so there shouldn't be any need to up the dosage.
    plan on getting any blood tests post cycle?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by propho
    true but wouldn't it be that much harsher on your liver to slam it with a ton of ph's all at once?? which is kinda why you gotta ease it in?
    IMHO, No.

  16. Well, I couldn't take it anymore. Dropped M1T last night completely and I'm already feeling tons better. Weighed in at 264lbs yesterday but I'm sure that'll drop some now that I'm off the M1T. Did shoulders and tris last night and got 275lbs for 4 reps on the military press. Not too bad but I thought I would have got more, got 225 for 12 easily on the previous set. Tri's went good, changed it up a little. Took close grips out, didn't feel right anymore. French curls went up to 120lbs for 6 reps. I'm keeping the M1,4ADD at 30mgs for now but might bump it to 40mgs next week depending on how thing are going.

    As for blood tests, I asked the Doc (navy guy) if I could have this done and that's a negative. They deal with cholesterol levels and such.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    Well, I couldn't take it anymore. Dropped M1T last night completely and I'm already feeling tons better. Weighed in at 264lbs yesterday but I'm sure that'll drop some now that I'm off the M1T. Did shoulders and tris last night and got 275lbs for 4 reps on the military press. Not too bad but I thought I would have got more, got 225 for 12 easily on the previous set. Tri's went good, changed it up a little. Took close grips out, didn't feel right anymore. French curls went up to 120lbs for 6 reps. I'm keeping the M1,4ADD at 30mgs for now but might bump it to 40mgs next week depending on how thing are going.

    As for blood tests, I asked the Doc (navy guy) if I could have this done and that's a negative. They deal with cholesterol levels and such.
    Good **** man...glad to hear things are going good for ya! 264...holy **** . You have to buy new uniforms yet? Lates

  18. Yeah man, I had to special order some new ones actually. They don't carry my size in the uniform store. You're getting there bro, just stick with it.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    Well, I couldn't take it anymore. Dropped M1T last night completely and I'm already feeling tons better. Weighed in at 264lbs yesterday but I'm sure that'll drop some now that I'm off the M1T. Did shoulders and tris last night and got 275lbs for 4 reps on the military press. Not too bad but I thought I would have got more, got 225 for 12 easily on the previous set. Tri's went good, changed it up a little. Took close grips out, didn't feel right anymore. French curls went up to 120lbs for 6 reps. I'm keeping the M1,4ADD at 30mgs for now but might bump it to 40mgs next week depending on how thing are going.

    As for blood tests, I asked the Doc (navy guy) if I could have this done and that's a negative. They deal with cholesterol levels and such.
    Hrmm well when I throw m1t into my mix I guess i'll stay at 5mgs I hope that is even enough for any effect from m1t.. well it's good to hear that you are feeling better again..

  20. Quote Originally Posted by propho
    Hrmm well when I throw m1t into my mix I guess i'll stay at 5mgs I hope that is even enough for any effect from m1t.. well it's good to hear that you are feeling better again..
    Thanks brudda. From what I've seen and experienced, I get my best gains from M1T within the 10-14 day mark anyway. After that, the sides get so bad that I can't workout or eat properly. I'd definately recommend starting with 5mg and see how it goes before you consider bumping it up.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    Thanks brudda. From what I've seen and experienced, I get my best gains from M1T within the 10-14 day mark anyway. After that, the sides get so bad that I can't workout or eat properly. I'd definately recommend starting with 5mg and see how it goes before you consider bumping it up.
    yea, my body has never seen m1t so i'll just see what happens at 5mg's.. right now i'm just trying to figure out when to take it.. some say it's best before going to sleep so you don't have to deal with the lethargy...

  22. Yeah, I've always taken mine before bedtime. The lethargy didn't really effect me too bad, yeah I was tired throughout the day, but nothing horrible. It's those GODDAMN BACK PUMPS.

  23. 5mg should work, especially since you haven't used it before. The pumps are brutal on even a low dose.

  24. Just got done with chest day and the gains are continuing as planned. Got 355lbs for 7 reps on flat bench today. 145lbs dumbbell for 5 reps on incline dumbbells. I'm about to run out of dumbbell's again. So goes life........Anywayz, down to 260lbs now but I feel great and the good measurments are starting to rise but I'll get some accurate measurements in a couple days. Still at 30mgs of M1,4ADD ed and I couldn't ask for better results.

  25. Weighed in at 260lbs yesterday. Legs went great, as I had hoped. Got 395 for 6 on squat and 285 for the almighty 20 repper. Hack Squat went up another 20lbs from last week. A rep or two extra on everything else. Still feel pretty good, no complaints.

  26. 262lbs yesterday. The M1,4ADD might be starting to kick in a little now. The timeline sounds about right. Back and bi's went good. Everything went up 10lbs from last week. Still hanging with that new bicep routine I heard about and it's a killer but it seems to be working.

  27. Alright, it's been about a week since my last post. Weight is still fluctuating between 260-264 depending on the day. Strength is continuing to rise at the same rate. Here's a few lifts that increased:
    Military press - 275 for 4 reps
    French curls - 125 for 6 reps
    Bench press - 365 for 6 reps
    Incline dumbbell - 145's for 6
    Squat - 405 for 6
    20 rep squat - 285 (talk about pain)

    I upped the dosage a few days ago to 50mgs ed just to bring this cycle to a close. I don't like being on this long so I'm anxious for PCT to start. Still feel fine though, no complaints. Kicked ass in a tug of war event on Friday. On the first match, we were locked out for about 2 minutes moving back and forth. Now that is a damn workout.

  28. I saw propho and others asking about liver issues with high doses. I just finished a 10 week cycle centered around 4AD injectable. Of that 10 weeks, there were a total of 6 weeks of very high dose M1,4 and 4 weeks of M1T at 10mg. I just had my blood work done and the doc said everything was absolutely normal except for my test levels. I'm only two weeks into PCT so that makes sense that my test would still be down some. Apparantley there were no liver issues.
    I'll be getting a copy of the bloodwork in the mail and will post it then.

  29. Dude, I want to check out your logs once your out of the USMC and doing your "other" planned cycles. I bet you're gonna be a sicker monster than you already are.

    If you're ever visiting the LNAS in Cali. while in the USMC hit me up.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by Cuffs
    Dude, I want to check out your logs once your out of the USMC and doing your "other" planned cycles. I bet you're gonna be a sicker monster than you already are.

    If you're ever visiting the LNAS in Cali. while in the USMC hit me up.
    Yeah, I'll be sure to keep all logs recorded in this forum. Thanks for the compliment though. I'm hoping to hit 300lbs within the first 12 months of being out.
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