Advice for starting a cycle when you've been on TRT.
- 11-21-2009, 05:13 AM
Advice for starting a cycle when you've been on TRT.
Just joined this forum and have been studying all of these great posts like a crazy man. I'm 38, 6ft 1, weigh 180 and have been going to an anti-aging doc for TRT for the last year and a half. He just has be on 200mg of test cyp per week. He also has me on .5mg of Arimidex 2x a week. I feel great but I want to take my body to the next level. When I was 30 I did a cycle of test and deca with amazing results, but I didn't do my research and didn't know a thing about PCT so I lost everything I gained. I probably messed up my system by doing this which is why I found myself in the anti-aging docs office to get my test levels back up. Anyway, this time I'm going to know what I'm doing before I begin.
So my question is this: My doc has me on the 200mg/wk test dose indefinitely. Before I begin my test/deca cycle (which won't be until next year) should I stop the test for a while so when I begin the cycle my body will really respond to it? What about the Arimidex? Or, should I just stay on the prescribed dose of test and then just up the test to 500mg/wk total and deca 300-400mg/wk when I start the cycle?
Does anyone ever just stay on a low dose of test between cycles if they are on a TRT program? If so, do they even do PCT?
I have no issues with stopping the prescribed dose of test after my cycle and actually cycling like it seems most guys do. Who knows, maybe if I do my cycle properly and also do my PCT properly my own test production might come back enough I could stop the TRT therapy between cycles.
Sorry this was so long. Felt like I should give a little background. Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated. And again, I know I have much more research to do before I actually start. Thx.
- 11-21-2009, 07:38 AM
Hi i will find the replies to your post interesting. i have been on trt for 4 years starting with sustanon 250 every 3 wks , then i was moved onto Nebido every 11.
In the US you are very lucky that you also get prescribed something for estrogen ,in the UK its considered not an issue .I pushed for an e2 test and found it be off scale at the top end.Luckily i have no estrogen issues .I take AIs like 6 bromo eod hoping it will help get e2 to a more acceptable level.
As for stacking anything with the test, i would look for something that doesnt convert to estrogen or dht and possibly a non methylated.
EQ-PLEX by CEL was once recommended to me but never went ahead with it, as i decided to concentrate on the estrogen side.
test is a good allrounder i think and id keep it going .
11-21-2009, 12:19 PM
u are prescribed test....u dont EVER have to run a pct. dont stop those injections ever.
what u want to do is called "blasting and cruising".
u cruise at ur prescribed dose, then to "blast" u up the test and add other compounds in. then afterward there is no need to do a PCT. if ur worried about nut shrinkage then go back to ur doc and ask for some HCG
11-22-2009, 05:44 AM
11-22-2009, 08:24 PM
11-23-2009, 07:31 PM
11-23-2009, 09:02 PM
11-23-2009, 11:13 PM
At the end of the blast how would you step down to the cruising level. I get this question alot at the gym. I believe that with the knowledge here on this site info. is available on this topic.
11-23-2009, 11:18 PM
I agree no need for a SERM, especially with the AI but how bout a cortisol control. If it was me I'd run a little lean xtreme after the boost period. Also watch bp.
Back.... for real this time
11-24-2009, 01:08 AM
yeah no need for a pct because you dont have to worry about getting your balls back you are jsut going to be back to your normal level. no worry about LH or anything
11-24-2009, 02:02 AM
What i do: I use a long ester test compound. Then during blasts i bump up the long ester test and start some Prop. When im ready to cruise, i simply drop the prop, then eventually lower the long ester test.
P.S. for the guy on TRT, you wont need a SERM but you will need an AI during blasts
11-24-2009, 08:26 AM
you can step down at the end if you'd like rather than a sharp cutoff, but yeah, I wouldn't (don't) worry much about anything else as a part of it. A lot of the concerns even over cortisol in PCT are because during PCT your test levels are so low that there is little to just continue to support your existing muscle while production comes back. but when you never truly come off, thats not an issue. Not that an anti-cort would hurt either, just less necessary. Doesn't hurt if you added orals or relatively high dosed AI to go ahead and take extra fish oil to bring HDL cholesterol back up.
11-24-2009, 08:32 AM
11-24-2009, 09:06 AM
11-24-2009, 09:37 AM
For about 6/7 weeks i feel good but i often feel like a top up say weeks 7-11.
this is why i thought of taking something otc mainly anabolic, hardly androgenic and non meth.
it also has to be in and out my system after say 3 or 4 days just in case im asked for a blood test to check levels of test at baseline ie in week 11.
the only other option i could go for is gel but its a daily application and can be time consuming waiting for it to dry (i think its 30 min)
So yes Nebido is ok.
11-24-2009, 09:39 AM
11-24-2009, 09:56 AM
I do self inject of test E. The gel worked however I had issues at site. Doc allowed me to inject, been doing so for the last 2 years. He had me on 2X week, I am doing EOD, I don't feel high and lows .
11-24-2009, 09:59 AM
for an ai i'd probably use exemestane/aromasin. For ai I guess i'd go with suppress-C by CEL, its an effective product. Transdermal, but it works well.
11-24-2009, 10:00 AM
Dude, you dont need anti-cortisols while on Gear lol
Gear is going to keep you in an anabolic state with less cortisol. Even at trt doses.
And you wont need the AI so much during the cruise, you'll need it when youre bumping the test up to superman levels (during your blast)
The AI of choice for aromatizing gear is Anastrozole/Arimidex
60% reduction of aromatose is ideal. You dont want to sqush estro to zilch. Estrogen helps with your gains.
11-24-2009, 10:03 AM
anastrazole/arimidex wrecks cholesterol far worse than aromasin, and lowers IGF levels, while exemestane/aromasin is cholesterol neutral, and raises IGF
I'm prescribed arimidex, but prefer exemestane
11-24-2009, 10:10 AM
The reason why people use Adex is because is allows for some conversion to E. You dont want to squash estrogen. I think EXemestane stops estro conversion by 90%
That seems a bit much.
Plus adex is cheaper.
It can affect lipids (adex) but shouldnt be a prob if its not long term and if he isnt using methyls.
Its up to him. Hopefully he's doing his homework/research and not basing his entire blast cycle on this thread.
11-24-2009, 10:25 AM
Thanks for the info. I have a lot of homework to do, 2 mo. till my blood work due again and I want see my results before I blast. Anything else you come up with let me know.
11-24-2009, 10:30 AM
basically just make sure they are testing for PSA levels on your blood tests too so you can see if the blasts are tweaking your prostate. Other than that its pretty well covered best off avoiding orals if you can whether OTC or AAS as they have more liver and cholesterol impact.
11-24-2009, 12:30 PM
11-24-2009, 12:41 PM
Its hard to say. Seems like there are so many variables in it that its hard to say. But at least by watching it you can tell if it starts to change
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