M-drol 2 week cycle

[ChrisSanderso]

So I have decided to do a 2 week m-drol cycle, front loaded 2 weeks with all cycle support supplements carried through to pct. I have 10 more days to go on my front load and then I will start the m-drol at 20 mg ED. Right now I have started a new training program . here is the copy and paste. As well as I have just started gaspari size on and will continue taking this product through till pct. I have 2 bottles. So I am now on day 3 of size on and my new routine, I will start m-drol on day 14 to 28, pct for 2 wks , 25 nolva ed and anabolic inovations post cycle support

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Barbell curls (shoulder wide grip) 3 sets 6 reps (fast-twitch white muscle fibers)
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Standing calf raises (machine) 3 sets 6 reps (fast-twitch white muscle fibers)
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Saturday: Off

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So for the 6 weeks I will be frontloading on supports 2 wks, 2 week cycle and 2 wk pct. At the start of the frontload and size-on I wieighed in at 205lbs. Every week I will update. Thanks

 

[ChrisSanderso]

It is believed that most gains made at the beginning of the cycle are not because of the gear more less but because of the change in diet and training.

The truth is Most of us will be more strict when using gear as we want the best gains possible as well as the placebo effect for motivation on the training. Now to test this theory I have started size-on and a new training program as well as preparing for an up coming cycle of m-drol in less then two weeks by taking cycle support all started on the same day. Today is the 5th day and I am already up in weight. Now my normal weight for the last 6 months is around 198-205lbs. Today I am up to 208, in all honesty I havn't been there for a while.

I did a first inject cyle and went to 230lbs almost a year ago but I truly knew f$k all about cycling. I have stayed away from all that and do research every night and have been for almost a year. I learn something new everyday,lol.

Now if my theory is correct I can get up to 210lbs before I even start my cycle of m-drol, maybe even more. If I do continue to gain I may wait longer to start my cycle. In all honesty I feel awsome. If not I will start the m-drol in 9 days from today.

So basically this thread is to test the theory of gains at the beginning of a cycle as well as to test out a 2 week m-drol cycle for gains and sides.

I hope I will have people interested in this as I believe we can all learn from each other and I hope to help in learning new ways to make better gains. I love the journey and I will never surrender

 

[mooch2321]

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[Chub]

steroid discussion does NOT go here.

 

[ChrisSanderso]

steroid discussion does NOT go here.

How do I move the thread or can the administration do it for me? Thanks

 

[neverstop]

this will be interesting, I would say you really are going to want a more serious PCT than that though, I've found clomid to be much more effective in PCT.

My own experience is the exact opposite, I actually run lower dosed orals for longer and have found better gains. Will be cool to see someone take such a methodical approach to this though, you certainly sound a bit more disciplined than I am.

 

[ChrisSanderso]

this will be interesting, I would say you really are going to want a more serious PCT than that though, I've found clomid to be much more effective in PCT.

My own experience is the exact opposite, I actually run lower dosed orals for longer and have found better gains. Will be cool to see someone take such a methodical approach to this though, you certainly sound a bit more disciplined than I am.

I have made some embarassing mistakes before and I am now trying to in a sense make up for them,lol.

There are guys that run dbol and injects with no pct on these 2 week cycles, so I believe my pct is right on the money. I could do 50mg for first week of nolva, but I think 25mg will suffice. I also know now how it feels to be shut down so I will be prpare just incase. Clomid scare the **** out of me, I don't need anything messing with my vision. How would I enjoy all the beautiful women in the world without it.lol

Thanks for the interest, hope this theory will kick some a$$

 

[mooch2321]

i agree on the pct...use clomid. Two weeks on superdrol should have you shut down pretty bad.

 

[ChrisSanderso]

i agree on the pct...use clomid. Two weeks on superdrol should have you shut down pretty bad.

Out of all research I've done, Nolva is going to be my choice for M-drol guys. Thanks for the recommendations though. At 2 weeks of 20mg for an over 200lb male I know m-drol will shut me down but if theory is correct on what alot of these gurus are saying I should bounce back fast. So it is my belief that Nolva and the pct booster will suffice, as well as size-on, proper diet, hourly go-nad rubs from my woman (well atleast daily), fish oils and hourly go-nad rubs (sorry already said that). lol

 

[mooch2321]

Out of all research I've done, Nolva is going to be my choice for M-drol guys. Thanks for the recommendations though. At 2 weeks of 20mg for an over 200lb male I know m-drol will shut me down but if theory is correct on what alot of these gurus are saying I should bounce back fast. So it is my belief that Nolva and the pct booster will suffice, as well as size-on, proper diet, hourly go-nad rubs from my woman (well atleast daily), fish oils and hourly go-nad rubs (sorry already said that). lol

okay, youve done research and prefer nolva, got it! Im only going to say one more thing. Where did you do your research? You have chosen two compounds nolva and res that are going to do very similar things...control estrogen. So youve got a lot of estrogen control thats great! Problem is....superdrol doesnt aromatize. Estrogen control should not be the focal point of your pct.

 

[UnrealMachine]

totally agree with mooch, clomid FTW

 

[ChrisSanderso]

okay, youve done research and prefer nolva, got it! Im only going to say one more thing. Where did you do your research? You have chosen two compounds nolva and res that are going to do very similar things...control estrogen. So youve got a lot of estrogen control thats great! Problem is....superdrol doesnt aromatize. Estrogen control should not be the focal point of your pct.

I totally appreciate your guys opinions, thanks for joining the log. I do have to say that I really have done my research on this one. I do believe in my cycle plan , my health depends on it. I do understand nolva is normally thaught to be only an anti-e.


Nolva vs. Clomid for PCT
It seems like everyday questions concerning PCT pop up, and weather one should
use either Clomid or nolva or a combo of both. I hope that this article written
by BigCat may help to clear up some misconceptions.





While practically similar compounds in structure, few people ever really consider
Clomid and nolva to be similar. Its not just a common myth in steroid circles,
but even in the medical community. This misconception originates from their
completely different uses. Nolvadex is most commonly used for the treatment
of breast cancer in women, while Clomid is generally considered a fertility
aid. In bodybuilding circles, from day one, Clomid has generally been used as
post-cycle therapy and Nolvadex as an anti-estrogen.



But as I intend to demonstrate this is in essence the same. I believe the myth
to have originated because nolva is clearly a more powerful anti-estrogen, and
the people selling Clomid needed another angle to sell the stuff, so it was
mostly used as a post-cycle aid. But few users really understand how Clomid
(and also Nolvadex, logically) works to bring back natural testosterone in the
body after the conclusion of a cycle of androgenic anabolic steroids. After
a cycle is over, the level of androgens in the body drop drastically. The body
compensates with an overproduction of estrogen to keep steroid levels up. Estrogen
as well inhibits the production of natural testosterone, and in the period between
the return of natural testosterone and the end of a cycle, a lot of mass is
lost. So its in everybody's best interest to bring back natural test as soon
as humanly possible. Clomid and Nolvadex will reduce the post-cycle estrogen,
so that a steroid deficiency is constated and the hypothalamus is stimulated
to regenerate natural testosterone production in the body. That's basically
how the mechanism works, nothing more, nothing less.



Both compounds are structurally alike, classified as triphenylethylenes. Nolvadex
is clearly the stronger component of the two as it can achieve better results
in decreasing overall estrogen with 20-40 mg a day, than Clomid can in doses
of 100-150 mg a day. A noteworthy difference. Triphenylethylenes are very mild
estrogens that do not exert a lot, if any activity at the estrogen receptor,
but are still highly attracted to it. As such they will occupy the receptor
and keep it from binding estrogens. This means they do not actively work to
reduce estrogen in the body like Proviron, Viratase or arimidex would (by competing
for the aromatase enzyme), but that it blocks the receptor so that any estrogen
in the body is basically inert, because it has no receptor to bind to.



This has advantages and disadvantages. The disadvantage is that when use is
discontinued, the estrogen level is still the same and new problems will develop
much sooner. The advantage is that it works much faster and has results sooner
than with an aromatase blocker like Proviron or arimidex. Therefor, when problems
such as gynocomastia occur during a cycle of steroids one will usually start
20 mg/day of nolva or 100 mg/day of Clomid straight away, in conjunction with
some Proviron or arimidex. The proviron or arimidex will actively reduce estrogen
while the Clomid or Nolvadex will solve your ongoing problem straight away.
This way, when use is discontinued there is no immediate rebound.



So which one should you use? Well personally, I'd have to say Nolvadex. Both
as an on-cycle anti-estrogen and a post-cycle therapy. As an anti-estrogen its
simply much stronger, demonstrated by the fact that better results are obtained
with 20-40 mg than with 100-150 mg of Clomid. For post-cycle, this plays a key
role as well. It deactivates rebound estrogen much faster and more effective.
But most importantly, Nolvadex has a direct influence on bringing back natural
testosterone, where as Clomid may actually have a slight negative influence.
The reason being that tamoxifen (as in Nolvadex) seems to increase the responsiveness
of LH (luteinizing hormone) to GnRH (gonadtropin releasing hormone), whereas
Clomid seems to decrease the responsiveness a bit1.



Another noteworthy fact about Nolvadex is that it acts more potently as an
estrogen in the liver. As you remember, I mentioned that clomiphene and tamoxifen
are basically weak estrogens. Well, tamoxifen is apparently still quite potent
in the liver. This offers us the positive benefits of this hormone in the liver,
while avoiding its negative effects elsewhere in the body. As such Nolvadex
can have a very positive impact on negative cholesterol levels2 in the body,
and therefore too should be considered a better choice than Clomid. It will
not solve the problem of bad cholesterol levels during Steroid use, but will
help to contain the problem to a larger degree.



Another reason why I promote the use of Nolvadex over Clomid post-cycle (as
if being 3-4 times stronger and having more of a direct effect on restoring
natural test wasn't enough) is because it's a lot safer. Not just because it
improves lipid profiles, but also because it simply doesn't have the intrinsic
side-effects that Clomid has. Clomid causes more acne for sure, but that's mainly
because you need to use a 3-4 times higher dose. But Clomid seems to also affect
the eyesight. Long-term Clomid therapy causes irreversible changes in eyesight3
in users. Irreversible. For me that alone is reason enough to prefer Nolvadex.



Lastly, one should be aware that use of these compounds can reduce the gains
made on steroids. Nolvadex more so than Clomid, simply because it is stronger.
Estrogen is responsible for a number of anabolic factors such as increasing
growth hormone output, upgrading the androgen receptor and improving glucose
utilization. This is why aromatizing steroids like testosterone are still best
suited for maximum muscle gain. When reducing the estrogen levels, we therefore
reduce the potential gains being made. For this reason one may opt to try Clomid
during a cycle instead of Nolvadex. Although I would imagine that the problem
that needed solved would be of more concern, in which case nolva remains the
weapon of choice. It's a plain fact that there is a high correlation between
gains and side-effects. Either you go for maximum gains and tolerate the side-effects,
or you reduce the side-effects, and with it the gains. That's life, nothing
is free.



Stacking and Use:



If problems of Gynocomastia or other estrogen related symptoms tend to pop
up during a cycle the use of 20-30 mg of Nolvadex or 100 mg of Clomid daily
should easily contain the problem, and be used until a few days after the problem
subsides. For best results and the least amount of problems upon cessation it
is best stacked with Proviron (50 mg) or arimidex (0.5 mg) for this duration
as well. Its not advised that these products be ran concomitantly with the steroid
for the entire duration of the stack, as this will reduce your gains. Instead
cease the usage of anti-estrogens once the problem is contained, and should
the problem resurface, simply recommence the use of the products in the same
manner as described above.



Once a cycle of steroids is concluded one should always initiate a post-cycle
therapy to help bring back natural testosterone as soon as possible. This will
help you to retain the mass you gained. How this is done depends highly on the
type of steroid used. If only orals were used, therapy should start immediately,
even the last day of the stack. If short-acting esters or water-based injectables
were used, therapy should commence within 4-7 days after last injection, and
if long-acting esters were used then it should commence 1.5 to 2 weeks after
the last injection was given. The length of the therapy will vary as well, from
3-5 weeks. The longer acting the product was, the longer therapy should be continued
to make sure all suppressive factors are cleared before use of Clomid/Nolvadex
is discontinued.



For best results, it is best stacked with HCG (Human Chorionic gonadotrophin),
which functions as an LH analog and can help bring testicle size back up. HCG
use starts the last week of a cycle, and on from there every 5-6 days (usually
1500-3000 IU) and discontinued 1.5 to weeks prior to the cessation of Nolvadex/clomid.
The reason being that HCG itself is also suppressive of natural testosterone
and should be out of the body before therapy is over, or it will inhibit natural
testicle function. But I can not stress enough that HCG possibly plays a more
important role in post-cycle therapy than clomid/Nolvadex. For Clomid and Nolvadex,
doses are usually tapered down. Its best to start with 40-50 mg of Nolvadex
or 150 mg of Clomid for the first week or the first two weeks, and then finish
the program with 20-25 mg of Nolvadex or 100 mg of Clomid for an additional
two weeks.



References



1 Vermeulen A., Comhaire F., Hormonal effects of an anti-estrogen, tamoxifen,
in normal and oligospermic men, Fertil. Ster. 29 (1978) 320-27



2 Bruning PF, Bronfer JMG, Hart AAM, Jong-Bakker M, tamoxifen, serum lipoproteins
and cardiovascular risk, Br. J. Cancer 1988 Oct, 58 (4) 497-9

 

[mooch2321]

yeah dood...tony roberts and big cat sure can make nolva sound great. But it wont do sh!t for lh function in the real world. It looks great on paper but doesnt pan out. Many, many people have quoted that article...its a bunch of BS. Have fun, im done trying to talk sense into ya.

 

[ChrisSanderso]

yeah dood...tony roberts and big cat sure can make nolva sound great. But it wont do sh!t for lh function in the real world. It looks great on paper but doesnt pan out. Many, many people have quoted that article...its a bunch of BS. Have fun, im done trying to talk sense into ya.

There is actual studies that say clomid does not do much for LH either. HCG is another thing, but at a two week cycle I don't think I will need hcg.I guess we will find out soon enough. Thanks for the info guys.

 

[UnrealMachine]

My reason for backing clomid is simple, i used to only do nolva PCTs and since i changed to clomid based PCTs, my PCT's have been way way better.

The difference is simple, i can't feel nolva doing anything for me, never felt like my test was very high during or after PCT.

With clomid it's a very noticable increase in test levels during PCT that lasts after PCT.

With 2 weeks of SD i don't think shutdown will be that bad though.

 

[ChrisSanderso]

My reason for backing clomid is simple, i used to only do nolva PCTs and since i changed to clomid based PCTs, my PCT's have been way way better.

The difference is simple, i can't feel nolva doing anything for me, never felt like my test was very high during or after PCT.

With clomid it's a very noticable increase in test levels during PCT that lasts after PCT.

With 2 weeks of SD i don't think shutdown will be that bad though.

I have to say honestly I have never used clomid, I did a p-plex cycle a while back and made more gains in pct with ntb and nolva. I do know alot of guys swear by clomid. I do believe you guys know what your talking about and know how your body reacts, I myself don't even know if I will respond to m-drol. All p-plex did was make make my libido go crazy and a little bit of gains. Not much though. I do thank you guys for looking out.

 

[ChrisSanderso]

2 weeks should be enough to grow like a mofo though, I hope

 

[ChrisSanderso]

the 28 I start m-drol baby yeah.

 

[ChrisSanderso]

So anyways guys today is my off day from the gym so I will start tomorrow instead. This is my first time on M-drol so I will start off at 10 mg for 4 days. Reason why I will do it that way is to let my body have the chance to get alittle use to the supplement & see how I respond. Also the four day thing is because I work-out Thurs/Frid and Sat and Sun are off days. Back at it on Mon and will use 20 mg 10mg morning and 10mg pre-workout. I will be doing S.A.I.S Training. I will take a full bdy picture tomorrow and record weight. Thanks

 

[UnrealMachine]

cool cool chris, looking forward to it. Kill it tomorrow bro.

Remember to keep water intake high, i forgot how thirsty SD makes me

 

[juice3320]

cool cool chris, looking forward to it. Kill it tomorrow bro.

Remember to keep water intake high, i forgot how thirsty SD makes me

I think this will be beneficial to the OP as well so I will ask. Unreal, have you ever done a Nolva/Aromasin PCT and even if you haven't would you still run the Clomid with the Nolva and Aromasin although the effects of the Clomid could potentially be lessened?

 

[ChrisSanderso]

cool cool chris, looking forward to it. Kill it tomorrow bro.

Remember to keep water intake high, i forgot how thirsty SD makes me

Thanks Bro, I actually thaught about that today. Currently I am not drinking enough water. I will fill the jugs up tonight for tomorrow and do so every night. I totally appreciate that, thanks again

 

[ChrisSanderso]

I am fckn excited,lol

 

[Tansui]

subd

 

[Tansui]

and take pictures...

 

[UnrealMachine]

I think this will be beneficial to the OP as well so I will ask. Unreal, have you ever done a Nolva/Aromasin PCT and even if you haven't would you still run the Clomid with the Nolva and Aromasin although the effects of the Clomid could potentially be lessened?

i don't think you need aromasin there, nolva will keep estrogen under control so i've never seen much point in an AI during PCT, i don't think it will hurt, but nolva + clomid is all you need.

 

[ChrisSanderso]

Downing my cycle support as we speak, will take the first m-drol in an hour. I will take my pic when pumped after 5 pm wkout. I believe if I take the pics when pumped each time will allow a fair comparison. If not I can take a pic when not pumped and when pumped on the same day and it looks like I gained 10lbs, maybe more. Know what I mean. It's like when cutting you can take a pic after a buffet and take one the next morning on an empty stomach and it looks like you cut 15lbs.


Ohh, 1 more thing - "M-drol M-drol M-drol" "M-DROOOOOOOOOOL" Hey BoooHHH!!!!

 

[juice3320]

i don't think you need aromasin there, nolva will keep estrogen under control so i've never seen much point in an AI during PCT, i don't think it will hurt, but nolva + clomid is all you need.

It didn't make sense to me to run an AI during PCT (unless needed) either. I have just heard alot of good things about the nolva/aromasin PCT but the nolva and clomid sounds like a much better idea. Thanks bro. Plus too, with the combo you get the best of both worlds.

 

[juice3320]

Downing my cycle support as we speak, will take the first m-drol in an hour. I will take my pic when pumped after 5 pm wkout. I believe if I take the pics when pumped each time will allow a fair comparison. If not I can take a pic when not pumped and when pumped on the same day and it looks like I gained 10lbs, maybe more. Know what I mean. It's like when cutting you can take a pic after a buffet and take one the next morning on an empty stomach and it looks like you cut 15lbs.


Ohh, 1 more thing - "M-drol M-drol M-drol" "M-DROOOOOOOOOOL" Hey BoooHHH!!!!

Haha eat that crap up bro! Are you going to start a new thread with a log?

 

[ChrisSanderso]

Haha eat that crap up bro! Are you going to start a new thread with a log?

This is actually my log, I'm so stoked I started it 2 wks early,lol. Now I go work out, come home an eat then it's floor hockey. I know this might be my last day for floor hockey for a couple weeks or a month while I do this cycle. I will post pics tonight. later

 

[juice3320]

This is actually my log, I'm so stoked I started it 2 wks early,lol. Now I go work out, come home an eat then it's floor hockey. I know this might be my last day for floor hockey for a couple weeks or a month while I do this cycle. I will post pics tonight. later

Ok. I thought this was the log bro . Go HYOOOOUUUGGGEEE or go home brother! Even 2 weeks of sdrol should produce some good stuff. Goodluck bro

 

[Koryo1233]

yeah dood...tony roberts and big cat sure can make nolva sound great. But it wont do sh!t for lh function in the real world. It looks great on paper but doesnt pan out. Many, many people have quoted that article...its a bunch of BS. Have fun, im done trying to talk sense into ya.

Nevertheless, I have found that Nolva is less toxic, and there has been less adverse effects to the women who took it in studies. This is from medical journals in my campus library. Although Nolva still had it's share, its seems to be the lesser of two evils as far as SERM's go.

 

[mooch2321]

Nevertheless, I have found that Nolva is less toxic, and there has been less adverse effects to the women who took it in studies. This is from medical journals in my campus library. Although Nolva still had it's share, its seems to be the lesser of two evils as far as SERM's go.

at: :frustrate

 

[ChrisSanderso]

I have pics from yesterday, just need the little woman to alter them down in size. How do I upload photos again guys? Thanks.

 

[mooch2321]

once you have them stored on your computer, you can just "go advanced" in a post and hit the manage attachments button then browse through your stored pics and select the one you want

 

[ChrisSanderso]

once you have them stored on your computer, you can just "go advanced" in a post and hit the manage attachments button then browse through your stored pics and select the one you want

Thanks , I can't upload them due to the megabites or something. My woman has a pro camera n it's difficult to use. I will take a different pic tonight with another camera. Todays legs day. Sorry guys about that. By the way I weighed in a 205lbs yesterday. I actually had muscle spasms in my chest yesterday, I believe its because normally I only do puch-ups and smith mach and I now am doing free weight bench. I feel good , a bit tired. That will happen when you play 2.5 hrs floor hockey. Guess next week I have to miss it. Have to change my weight on my profile.

 

[ChrisSanderso]

So I took pics on a different camera, will post later on today. I weighed in at 208 yesterday, must be the huge amounts of water I'm drinking. Wife says I look bigger but so does my stomach, I think again bloated from drinking all the water. I have 2 days off from the gym, on Monday I will weigh in. If I weigh more then usual I maybe a good responder to M-drol and I will keep it at 10mg for a week. I don't want to get too big to fast, isn't healthy and doesn't feel good. When I say that I mean gaining 10-12lbs is great but in reality if I gain 5-6lbs or so of muscle it will show as a huge improvement. I don't have stretchies and I don't want em. I gained 25lbs on cycle before and had a hard time humpin, not cool. Especially when my nick name is Sir Hump-Allot.

My chest and neck feel pretty tight, I will stretch more on my days off. Anyways today is Halloween so I will take my kid out tonight and post pics later. Have a good time tonight n if someone can hook it up with Cleopatra for Halloween I will give you rep points,lol. Later Oh N I want pics.

 

[ChrisSanderso]

Just wanted to say something and although this makes me look a little stupid I hope by that sacrifce I can save someone alot of pain and anguish.

Do not drink on M-drol, not even a beer! I am one of those guys that can drink a case of beer n not really get a buzz. Halloween I was with friends and I had 3 beers over the course of the night. Yesterday I felt like death, today I am still feeling ****ty. I made a stupid move without thinking it through and I hope no one else makes this mistake.

you will feel like death, so take it from me don't even drink 1 beer let alone get drunk. I felt like I drank a couple bottles to my dome.

EDIT:
"This is where it went ta ****"

 

[mooch2321]

:werd: :twak:

 

[jherman08]

subbed

 

[ChrisSanderso]

My stomach still feels f$$ken bloated from Saturday. I feel like I am full all the time. Should I take some nolva for the bloat or just wait it out? Thanks. I have a huge decended belly right now. I also have stomach cramps.

 

[UnrealMachine]

Do some extra cardio and sweat the water off, low dose some nolva

 

[ChrisSanderso]

Do some extra cardio and sweat the water off, low dose some nolva

Why do I have these ****en cramps. When I say cramps I mean almost like a pain in my side n stomach, dull ache. My stomach is huge, like ****en buffet ,huge all day long. Something bad is going on here.

I'm done for m-drol, if something can swell my stomach out to almost the size of my chest, then imagine what it does to your organs.

Stomach ache 24/7, no appetite. I know by the love of God if i stop now I won't regret it. I will do an aas cycle next time n stay away from methyl. I react bad to this stuff.

 

[bezoe]

Damn dog

 

[ChrisSanderso]

start short pct tomorrow.

 

[ChrisSanderso]

Damn dog

I know, my stomach was 40 " last night, Today is 38.5". I was only using 10mg of m-drol.

I just want to say anyone thinking about using methyl and are unsure, research the good and the bad. Then trust your instinct.


The tried n true gear that has been around for years may not be for everyone, but ph/ds are definately not for everyone either.

I have been a bad ass almost my whole life, in scaring situations every other day. (When Younger) I have been to jail, faced the judge when my freedom is on the table, been in life or death situations whether it be violence, car accidents or just plain stupidness (it was all stupidness) and I have to say the scariest **** for me is living on a machine so your body can function.

I was told before I may have emphazima. Ended up in emergency in Vancouver, scary **** my friends. These last few days have been scary, my eyes are sunken in, black, my pants barely fit around my hips.

Best way to say it is lesson learned. I prayed yesterday and I believe God will take care of me as he always has.

For now on my avatar should read "In search of Gettin Huge the Healthy Way",lol

 

[jherman08]

This was Cel's version correct?

 

[ChrisSanderso]

This was Cel's version correct?

That's right, any ideas whats going on, any suggestions guys. Thanks

 

[jherman08]

Bad diet? Overly paranoid?
Not sure on a personal level but interested to hear some explanations.
Im sure your decision to cut it early was best for your health.

Imagine that, Cels mdrol causing male pregnancy.
Thatd be a b!tch:lmao:

 

[ZoomZoom88]

chill bro, take your nolva and youll be alright. ive taking mdrol 3 times and i get bloated like a fish on it also.