Nice cycle so far man. I'm definetly in for the duration! Rock it.

BEAST

I think the first thing I need to address here is how i gained 6 pounds in one day. It has to be water weight. I usually gain weight like mad with SD and now I think starting with 30mg has made my weightgain go crazy. I've been nonstop thirsty.

I am going to lower the dose down to 20mg starting today, i feel 30 just isn't necessary... The reason for 30 was to compare to 40mg of Mdrol but that did nothing and this is blowing me up TOO fast.

I had a decent depletion workout, i was so pumped that it might have hindered me. Really ridiculous, i was less flexible even before i started the workout.

Anyway i'm working on carbs right now.

EDIT: i'm a little over 400g into my carbup and i just weighed 234 on my home scale. absolutely ridiculous. It's hard to eat so much because i'm so thirsty that I have to drink a lot of water and the water is hogging all the room in my stomach.

Originally Posted by UnrealMachine

I think the first thing I need to address here is how i gained 6 pounds in one day. It has to be water weight. I usually gain weight like mad with SD and now I think starting with 30mg has made my weightgain go crazy. I've been nonstop thirsty.

I am going to lower the dose down to 20mg starting today, i feel 30 just isn't necessary... The reason for 30 was to compare to 40mg of Mdrol but that did nothing and this is blowing me up TOO fast.

I had a decent depletion workout, i was so pumped that it might have hindered me. Really ridiculous, i was less flexible even before i started the workout.

Anyway i'm working on carbs right now.

awesome dont forget bodyweight exercises every 150-200 carbs. the pump u get will be obnoxious

kill it!

Originally Posted by crazyfool405

awesome dont forget bodyweight exercises every 150-200 carbs. the pump u get will be obnoxious

kill it!

Im nosy. Is this part of the routine? Just pump yourself up every few hours with pushups or something?

Originally Posted by bezoe

Im nosy. Is this part of the routine? Just pump yourself up every few hours with pushups or something?

yeah exactly, help load the carbs into the muscle

That sounds really interesting. I like it! I plan on a super cycle soon. So I am paying close attention here.

Unreal,

I'm just finishing my weekly carb-up meal. I feel like my muscles are going to burst. I hate carbing up because I get so watery for a few days afterwards. I'm already ready to jump back into my diet lol. I'm gonna start trying a fat-load in a few weeks as opposed to a carb load. My body seems to process fats much better than carbohydrates. Keep up the good work man.

BEAST

Originally Posted by Wilderbeast

Unreal,

I'm just finishing my weekly carb-up meal. I feel like my muscles are going to burst. I hate carbing up because I get so watery for a few days afterwards. I'm already ready to jump back into my diet lol. I'm gonna start trying a fat-load in a few weeks as opposed to a carb load. My body seems to process fats much better than carbohydrates. Keep up the good work man.

BEAST

I understand, i get way watery from the carb loading too, right now i feel pretty bloated for sure, and the insanely rapid weight gain is testament to that.

I've never done a fat load before but it sounds cool, i've actually gotten better pumps from eating some really fatty meals than from eating carby meals. My body processes fat and fatty meats very well, and that diet keeps me much leaner than a carby diet. Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by metroba

That sounds really interesting. I like it! I plan on a super cycle soon. So I am paying close attention here.

Cool, all i can say is don't start with 30mg of SD, it's too much lol... I should have started at 10, 10 is plenty for the first week, run something more like 10/20/20/20.

Originally Posted by UnrealMachine

I understand, i get way watery from the carb loading too, right now i feel pretty bloated for sure, and the insanely rapid weight gain is testament to that.

I've never done a fat load before but it sounds cool, i've actually gotten better pumps from eating some really fatty meals than from eating carby meals. My body processes fat and fatty meats very well, and that diet keeps me much leaner than a carby diet. Good luck with that.

I accidentally found out how good fat loading works for me. I was carb and fat depleted from 4 consecutive protein/vegetable only days, and on the 5th day I ate my first 5 meals pro/veg and my 6th meal was out at a restaraunt. I ordered white fish and broccoli ... pro/veg right??? Well, I get the fish and it is SOAKED in butter and the broccoli was two GIGANTIC STALKS, I'm talkin like two lettuce head sized stalks. And they were... you guessed it... COVERED with butter. The next day I'll be damned if I wasn't the most striated, veiny, dry, and hard I've ever been.

BEAST

Hell yea that's why fat needs to be high on keto days keeps the muscle bellies full

Beast - i definitely think im going to try the fat-up day next time around. Carbs leave me bloated too.

Unreal - how much you up now you animal? I'm psyched at your progress.

Yeah 13 pounds in 7 days, i must be close to some kind of a record... And i've been getting <3500 cals a day.

I'm bloated, that's for sure, so don't get too excited for me, this is all water weight and i'm not too happy about it, I'm thinking it was stupid to start SD at 30mg, it's causing such a rapid uptake of water that i'm just swelling up and i'm ALWAYS thirsty. The only reason i did this is to compare to Mdrol, well I think i accomplished that.

Here's a chart showcasing the difference, this is with the same diet and training. The difference is i didn't get anything from the Mdrol and the SD-1 made me SUPER pumped up by day 4 and incredibly thirsty leading to lots of water consumption & retention.


Remember, SD-1 was dosed at 30mg and 20mg for last 2 days, Mdrol was 40mg

Anyway i'm going to try to dry myself out a little bit and recomp here as I have already reached my target weight. I'll lower calories a little bit too. The goal of this log wasn't to explode and get fat again, it's to build strength and muscle maturity/density.


Anyway i just did cardio today, back is starting to get tender already, other than that and feeling bloated I am doing pretty well. I can't wait to hit chest tomorrow, SD does good things for my bench.

keep it up man,

wear some heavy layers on your cardio day and sweat it out, always makes me feel better!

just be sure to keep fat intake high as you know so you keep the muscle bellies full.

first... unreal... ur not fair .. stop it

and is my m-drol bottle gunna be junk? bought it like.. july/august from discount anabolics . com

Originally Posted by Ju1cedUp

first... unreal... ur not fair .. stop it

and is my m-drol bottle gunna be junk? bought it like.. july/august from discount anabolics . com

whats the first part of your post mean? if you're jealous of my rapid weight gain, let me remind you that it's water and now i have to work to get rid of it, lol... I do respond well to SD tho my muscles are feeling JACKED

I have no idea if your Mdrol is gonna be bunk. I believe the vast majority of it is good. But I've seen a lot of instances where people get bad bottles or bottles that cause completely different gains and sides than Superdrol... this is coming from people who have used SD. So, SOME amount of the bottles are just messed up man... Chances are your bottle is good.

Seriously i don't want to freak everybody out with Mdrol because most of it is good, and once again my bunk bottle was purchased in 2007. I didn't want to do the mini-log to alarm people and take business from CEL, i did it because CEL told me my receptors weren't responding to Superdrol... Which i disagreed with, thought it was more likely that the Mdrol was crap, and so I had to prove it.
(and i was right)

whether its water weight or not thats still impressive gains for the first week... (unless you're carrying that water in your back pocket )
And that m-drol you were taking... as i recall you were dropping those things like they were candy!

Originally Posted by UnrealMachine

whats the first part of your post mean? if you're jealous of my rapid weight gain, let me remind you that it's water and now i have to work to get rid of it, lol... I do respond well to SD tho my muscles are feeling JACKED

I have no idea if your Mdrol is gonna be bunk. I believe the vast majority of it is good. But I've seen a lot of instances where people get bad bottles or bottles that cause completely different gains and sides than Superdrol... this is coming from people who have used SD. So, SOME amount of the bottles are just messed up man... Chances are your bottle is good.

Seriously i don't want to freak everybody out with Mdrol because most of it is good, and once again my bunk bottle was purchased in 2007. I didn't want to do the mini-log to alarm people and take business from CEL, i did it because CEL told me my receptors weren't responding to Superdrol... Which i disagreed with, thought it was more likely that the Mdrol was crap, and so I had to prove it.
(and i was right)

haha alright man u effin scared me. i'm trying to end my oral roid life this winter and summer, startin off with m-drol this winter. want to go out with a bang

and the first part meant that ur a beast, 11 lbs in 7 days.. definitely some water sure, but can't be all... so.. damn.

looking very solid bro, keep it up. I went to 30mg SD on my 2nd orginal SD cycle and it was intense. Strength skyrocketed very very quick and blew up just like you, 24lbs in 4 wks, tons of water. Thats why I wondered why everyone said it was dry.

So i was able to dry out 5 pounds in one day. The measures i took to lose the bloat yesterday: did 2x sessions of cardio, went very strict keto, drank a little less water, and took 1 drop of letrozole.

By last night i was looking way more dry and vascular... So i'm very happy, i'll take 8 pounds in 8 days, lol... Also at 20mg and without so much carbs (like on the carbup day) i haven't been ridiculously thirsty.

CHEST DAY

bench was up 10 pounds
incline was up a rep per set
flat dumbell flys weren't up but they felt real solid

good pump, looked pretty jacked during and after the workout, muscles are definitely bulging out a little bit better

The good **** has officially begun gentlemen... now almost another 1/3 of a year to keep it going.

Dosing today: 20mg SD-1, 1mL sust, 1mL mast. My injection in my quad went real well. I love pinning quads.

I know how you feel, when on methyls I've plus or minus 7lbs more than a few times just on water and carbs, which is alot on a ~190lbs guy. its a pain in the a$$$ but i guess that is the price we pay for getting strong that quick. the ability of superdrol to stuff the muscles with carbs just never ceases to amaze me.

Hey unreal, I understand you don't want to bloat- looking for dry gains. But don't you think that water retention in the muscles will help you push more weight, thus building more muscle? And will you not just shed the water at the end of the cycle?

i don't think the water is going to push that much weight, i've gotten myself huge and bloated before and hated it, if i push like 2 pounds weaker but look 2x as good that's fine with me. I'm not drying myself out to the point of impeding my strength.

2nd SD run: was up 25 pounds during week 4. It was a high carb diet for me, bloated bad, SD just makes me retain a lot of crap when i eat lots of carbs... And carbs themselves make me thirsty, on SD i'm already thirsty, the combination is a lot of water that gets drunk and a lot of bloat.

Hey unreal, you have any pain in your quads a few days after injection? The test e I have, feels like I have a charley horse for a few days after the injection.

Originally Posted by boggs67ss

Hey unreal, you have any pain in your quads a few days after injection? The test e I have, feels like I have a charley horse for a few days after the injection.

Yeah it's been pretty variable on my shots.
1) right quad, hardly felt anything after inject, hardly noticed it
2) right glute, bigtime soreness, the area got SOO tight, and was pretty swollen up, it just started going down. Was pretty painful, moreso than i'm used to
3) left glute, it got a little tight, not too bad, nothing i would call pain
4) left quad, pinned this morning, it's a little tight, no pain

second time through all the muscles i'm not even worried about, after the first it always gets way easier on them. I think for me the muscles are more bothered by the 2mL of oil than by anything with the gear, it seems great to me

sust leaves me alot less sore when pinned in quads.. i can barely sleep after glute shots

its kind of gay but I got this grandma style bean bag at work and I just microwave that biatch till its super hot and put it on each injection site after injecting and it helps SOOOOOOOOO much. I heat the oil before I inject it a decent amount in a cup of hot water, then inject it slowly (like over the course of 1-2 minutes) if i'm injecting >1ml, then swab it down, wait 10 minutes and put the heat pack on there. Virtually zero soreness even with test prop.

I did a test prop and then a test suspension cycle and I had to figure something out and I found this works great.

I don't know if its one of your first cycles Boggs but that also could be part of it, my body gets MUCH less sore now that I've done a few cycles also, guess its just my body getting used to it.....

Originally Posted by neverstop

its kind of gay but I got this grandma style bean bag at work and I just microwave that biatch till its super hot and put it on each injection site after injecting and it helps SOOOOOOOOO much. I heat the oil before I inject it a decent amount in a cup of hot water, then inject it slowly (like over the course of 1-2 minutes) if i'm injecting >1ml, then swab it down, wait 10 minutes and put the heat pack on there. Virtually zero soreness even with test prop.

I did a test prop and then a test suspension cycle and I had to figure something out and I found this works great.

I don't know if its one of your first cycles Boggs but that also could be part of it, my body gets MUCH less sore now that I've done a few cycles also, guess its just my body getting used to it.....

Heat helps for sure! Massaging the spot afterwords helps too!

repping 345lbs on bench = Big Ole Fkuc yeah man!

that is sick, I can't imagine what your numbers are going to look like at the end of this cycle. I dont know how mast is but bet you are benching >400lbs before this cycle is done, which is totally ridiculous. Superdrol is BY FAR the best oral to kickstart a cycle imo, especially when run for 5 weeks at lower dose. This cycle is getting me amped up to do a longer, injectable bulking cycle......

CÙt it with sterile cotton seed oil!

It will hurt so much less.

Haha neverstop i wish i were repping 345 on bench but i meant to say that i hit it for 1, which is good for me, i think my presses suck, i got weak ass shoulders. 3 weeks on SD will probably get my bench up to idk like 365 or 375, we'll see. I dunno what to expect from the test, personally i don't expect anything and i'll be more than happy if i can maintain the gains from SD with test. But hopefully my stupid high doses will work and I can gain more. I kinda doubt it though. I'm not a genetically good bencher so these #s are already pretty high for me, and my last time on test, my bench was pretty much stagnant the whole time. And i can't count on the mast for much, even at my high doses.

my injects, i'm not too worried about the pain, first shot into the muscles with 2mL is gonna make some soreness, after the 2nd and third i doubt i'll be noticing much. But yea neverstop def. good techniques to decrease the pain if its a problem.