Scottyo's Methyl-Dien Log
- 03-01-2004, 12:24 PM
Scottyo's Methyl-Dien Log
Well, with the general lack of feedback and testing of this compound, I am going ahead and doing a product testing cycle of Designer Supps Methyl-Dien. I hope to do daily reports, but this is all dependant on my personal schedule. I have several PH and AAS cycles under my belt, as well as a few other interesting compounds.
General Strength guidelines
Incline Bench 235x6
Weighted Dips 145x7
Weighted Pullups 40x5
ATF Squats Variable but have hit 385x5
3mg for first 3-5 days, followed by 2mg up until three weeks. After 3 weeks, will do nolva for 3 weeks PCT with possibly the addition of topical or oral 6-oxo.
Night mix from PC
Piracatem ~5g a day.
Lifting split varies between a 3 and four day split. Push, Pull, and Legs/abs with sometimes a dynamic chest day added in. Cardio consists of 200m and 100m sprints and/or incline treadmill sprints and backpedaling on off days.
First update will be later tonight, after my leg workout.
This post is being copied on multiple boards, however my home site is Gaining-Mass.com. If there are any questions I do not answer on any of the other boards, please repost on GM and I will reply.
- 03-01-2004, 01:03 PM
- 03-01-2004, 05:04 PM
03-01-2004, 06:32 PM
03-01-2004, 11:33 PM
Monday May 1st
Weight: stable, maybe down from travelling all weekend
So far nothing much to report. Had a great legs workout, lifts were all up and energy level was good, but it was probably from taking the weekend off. I added a little grapefruit juice, and might do that sporadically from time to time to increase absorbtion. Tomorrow will be HIIT cardio.
03-02-2004, 08:12 AM
haha I'm also drinking grapefruit juice to help absorption. I haven't noticed a difference yet though.
03-03-2004, 09:05 AM
Tuesday March 2nd Update
Weight: same or down a pound from cycling off creatine
Little to report today. It is still to early to notice anything either good or bad. Did a HIIT cardio session and felt good despite sore legs, but nothing out of the ordinary.
03-04-2004, 12:05 PM
Wednesday March 3rd
Well, it is still early, and working out in a different gym made my lifts/excercises a bit off. Thus it is hard to tell if anything has changed much. I did pump out 150lbs on the weighted dips for a couple sets, and my military press was up a bit but nothing much. As for sides, I have not noticed even the slightest change, whereas M1T gave me minor cramps right away. Tomorrow will just be a HIIT cardio day, so I won't know much other than weight then. Also, starting tomorrow I am dropping the dose from 3mg to 2mg as I originally planned.
03-05-2004, 09:14 AM
Thursday March 4th
Weight: no change
Sides: Still none
Still have yet to notice anything significant either good or bad from the Mdien. At one point I looked a bit harder and fuller, but was probably just in my head. Measurements and weight are the same. I did a HIIT cardio session again, and was happy to report that the mdien did not negatively affect that like M1T did later in my cycle. By this time on M1T I was already gaining a few pounds, so hopefully this will show noticeable results soon.
03-05-2004, 12:04 PM
- 5'10" 180 lbs.
- Join Date
- Sep 2003
- Flagstaff, AZ
- Rep Power
Good to hear that about the cardio. M1T and cardio were awful for me, I had to stop all cardio because I couldn't deal with my calves throbbing so painfully.
03-05-2004, 06:09 PM
Ya...I had similar problems with M1T as well as tren. However, it only happened later on during M1T and as it is still early on the Mdien, the verdict is still out. Also, weight gains on M1T as well as strength are not as apparent so far...although I did initially stack the M1T and M5AA so that could account for some.
03-08-2004, 09:17 AM
Sunday March 7th
Sides: increased energy, sex drive up a bit, nothing negative
Well, I am getting a little more acne, and the sex drive is up which is a surprise. I have not posted in a few days, as I have yet to really notice anything tangible. Workouts are progressing well, but nothing different yet. Hopefully stuff will be hitting high gear by monday's leg session.
03-10-2004, 09:40 AM
Monday March 8th
Sides: some cramping, slight headache, stomache issues (could be unrelated)
Well, after a relatively unnoticeable first week, I had a few talks with sledghmr and made a few dosage tweaks. Whatever the reason, tonight might possibly be the most "pumped" leg workout of my life. Usually when I do heavy 4-6 reps, I don't get any pumps in my quads, however they are really sore the next few days. Tonight my legs were exploding. My quads were on fire up until the moment I went to sleep, hours later, while my calves and hammy's were pumped the whole walk home from the gym. While the pumps were tren like, the strength gains have yet to become significant, but I now am becoming a believer. My weight is up, and while I don't live for the pump, its good to know when you can feel something working.
Tuesday March 9th
Sides: increased libido and energy, headache, continuing stomache, slight "brain funk"
Well, I thought my legs would be dead after how they felt last night and how my workout went. Yet surprisingly, the DOMS was extremely mild. In fact my normal tuesday HIIT cardio session is a bitch, but today I had to force myself to stop and not go overboard. While I love the energy and libido increase, Im noticing what I would call a "brain funk". Just seem a bit distracted, or out of it. Could just be in my head or due to other factors, but its something I have noticed today and a bit yesterday. The real test will be tomorrow's chest, tri and shoulder workout.
03-10-2004, 12:43 PM
what's the new improved dose you're using scottyo?
03-10-2004, 05:31 PM
around 3.5 to 4ml. Dosing can't be exact, although I am using a 1ml dropper from LR. The pumps have definetly arrived, but strength still is nothing special. Less than the M1T/M5AA though its unfair to compare since M5AA is used primarily for strength.
03-10-2004, 07:04 PM
i just started m5aa 2 days ago, i am liking it so far. it feels like fatigue just has no effect on me? it's weird.
03-10-2004, 10:44 PM
ya, thats why I loved it with the M1T.
03-11-2004, 07:17 PM
Wednesday March 10th
Weight: steady at 190
Sides: nothing new
Well, today's workout went very well, although my strength wasnt up as much as I hoped. However, my energy and stamina in the gym, as well as the pumps were very solid. I upped my incline a bit, but nothing overly significant. I was really happy to get 150x4 on dips after a few heavy sets. Also, my triceps were especially strong after doing chest and shoulders.
Thursday March 11th
Well, not much to report on another HIIT cardio day. Had great energy with the mdien, chocamine and ALCAR pre-cardio, and the pumps were nothing to detrimental to my incline sprints. Did a few sets of speed ropes after my normal cardio, and once again had to hold myself back from going overboard. Whatever the effectiveness of the mdien, it definetly gives test like attitude boosts at least for me. General well being, energy, and quicker recuperation.
03-11-2004, 10:31 PM
Are you noticing a change in body composition? I ask b/c your weight gain is minimal but you are also doing a fair amount of cardio so maybe you have gained LBM but lost fat also.
03-12-2004, 09:01 AM
Size, while some of that may be going on, and I know it is...the changes so far have not been too noticeable. Also, I regularly do a fair amount of cardio, and even doing the same or more I put on 10 lbs or so with the M1T. I just compensate with added calories, and make my HIIT disticntly interval sprint training, rather then any longer duration bouts.
03-14-2004, 10:30 AM
Thanks, here's the latest updates...and they are very pleasing.
Friday March 12th
Weight: did not weigh in today
Sides: slight headache, cramps, ridiculous pumps
Well, the strength has started to go up steadily, but not by leaps and bounds. I did not get a chance to weigh myself today but I am almost certain I am up a bit. I look and feel very full, and after a very solid PULL workout, PRing on Dead, my arms and back were pumped all night long. Hell, it was 2 am and they still felt and looked extremely vascular, and I had worked out at around 3 and had taken a nap. So, the pump on mdien is nothing to joke about. Energy was a little off today due to poor sleep (have mild sleep apnea), but when I got to the gym everything kicked into gear. I think everything has been adjusted and figured out, and I am expecting the next week to be all that mdien was made out to be. Due to the slight inconsistencies and differences I have had, I would not use my dosing as any real indicator of the efficacy of mdien...and I will add more of this when I conclude this log.
Also, tomorrow is purely a rest day, so I will not update until Sunday's dynamic bench and HIIT cardio.
03-14-2004, 12:35 PM
- 6'1" 221 lbs.
- Join Date
- Nov 2002
- Southwest Florida
- Rep Power
Just sounds like it takes a little while to kick in compared to M1T. I actually think thats better.
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03-14-2004, 04:25 PM
I'd agree. Also, there were a few issues regarding dosing that I don't really want to bring up just yet here. If your curious drop me a PM.Originally Posted by Bobo
03-14-2004, 05:47 PM
I am now on day like 15 or 16 at 2mg a day and definetly see a difference. Just a few days ago I thought the m-dien was not very good. I also love that I can eat like a pig and I don't seem to be gaining any noticeable fat.
03-15-2004, 08:20 PM
Sunday March 14th
Sides: acne on shoulders and back, otherwise same
The mdien has definetly kicked in full force. Just like friday's workout, the pumps were ridiculous and I was doing a dynamic chest day only, plus HIIT. The cardio session was a little tougher then normal. Seems a bit like tren with shortness of breath, but not nearly as harsh. Once again, the muscles stayed pump hours after the workout. Since it was a dynamic day, I can't really say if lifts went up, as I was working on neuro-muscular activation etc. etc. Felt really strong, although when I was doing the HIIT, besides some shortness of breath, I felt like my blood pressure was through the roof. I did pop 25mg of ephedrine HCL, but I have never felt like that before. Will keep an eye on it.
Monday March 15th
Sides: same, more shortness of breath
Everything was up today. The strength is finally starting to come. Its the two week mark, and I am definetly seeing visible and noticeable gains in the gym, with very minimal sides. As its taken longer then expected, I am going to continue testing for another 2-4 weeks. My leg workout today was very solid. Like last monday's but much more intense and the strength was definetly there. I PR on front squats hitting 275x5 with still a little left in me. Then did 285 for a couple. Sitting here now I can still feel my quads twitching. Last couple days I give the mdien an A+. Even still, there is definetly more water retention then the M1T, but nothing like test, or 4ad, or even 4ad/1test combos like the old t1pro.
03-20-2004, 10:53 AM
Thursday March 18th
Sides: fairly the same, more cramping
Well, its been a few days since I have updated this, however it has been more to being extremely busy then not seeing results. I did HIIT cardio today, and felt very solid. No undue cramping like M1T, and the energy level was on par. Also, my weight has gone up another pound, and if anything I look leaner (except for some abdominal distention). Thats all for today
Friday March 19th
Sides: nothing new
Weight hanging at 192 still. My lifts in the gym were all up today. Deads seem like they keep going up, hit another PR again. Switched up a few rowing motions and had a ridiculous pump, even with lower reps. Wide grip pullups went up a few pounds as well. The eternal pump didnt last all night long like it did last friday night, but it was still pretty strong.
Tomorrow is an off day, and will report in sunday.
03-20-2004, 12:19 PM
When did you start over with the new MD batch?
How much have you gained since then, and can you tell the difference? MD is taking alot of heat right now, so I'd like to get your story straight from the source.
03-20-2004, 04:07 PM
Never really started over. Just switched bottles a week ago saturday I believe. Part of the reason IMO that mdien is taking such heat is because people had premature expectations. At least from my experience, it is very different than M1T. Besides different and less sides, it seems like it has drastically diff effects on the CNS. I can't quantify, explain, or verify that...but take it for what its worth.
That all said, I have noticed a difference since switching bottles...could be placebo but that can always be the case.
03-21-2004, 02:43 PM
thanks and give us the weekend update =) Things seem to be looking better for m-dien now,.,.
03-21-2004, 04:47 PM
You are still up 4lbs. in under 1 month. If that is LBM then that is great.
03-21-2004, 06:49 PM
Hey, I agree with you size. Im at a point, at least for me, where LBM gains come with difficulty. The great gains I had on M1T shocked me, but looking back, a good deal was probably the fact that I had been in europe all fall, and had lost weight abroad, and before I left. While I can say that the feeling is very different, and in some ways much less noticeable with mdien....it is also less noticeable in the negative sides department. Ill post my weekend (mostly today's) update later or tomorrow AM.
03-22-2004, 09:56 AM
Sunday March 20th
Sides: nothing new
Strength was up today in the gym, as was endurance. Not mind blowing gains, but the second and third sets of things were noticeably easier. As I type this, Im sweating like a pig, and its only 64 in my apartment so go figure. Cramps have dissapeared, although the pumps even on a dynamic day were impressive. Did a little HIIT after like usual. Sprints and grids, and felt real solid, although I was a little more out of breath then usual. Monday is leg day, which is always a good indicator. I am starting up my Kre-alkayn and betaine HCL pre-workout mix tomorrow, as I am anticipating coming off within a week or so. My last bottle is getting low, and as I was originally only planning a 2-3 week cycle (and I am on day 21), I do not want to extend it out for more than another week.
03-22-2004, 12:29 PM
so in other words would you recommend this product or not? and if not what product did you feel worked better and in what areas?Originally Posted by Scottyo
03-22-2004, 06:59 PM
Ive been posting at so many boards, I lose track what I say where. I will repeat the message I have consistently said. When this cycle is complete I will post a full conclusion, giving my personal opinions as to what this compound does well, what it doesn't etc etc..There are so many considerations, especially post-cycle recovery, gains kept, aesthetics and strength post and then some. I cannot give an accurate view until all is said and done.
With that all said, as of now I still have very good things to say about mdien, and if your uncertain, I would recommend a trial. However, it works very differently then M1T, so do not compare it 1 to 1.
03-24-2004, 11:36 PM
just wondering what happened to the updates?? kinda in the dark now..Originally Posted by Scottyo
03-25-2004, 09:55 AM
Wednesday March 24thOriginally Posted by propho
Sides: some headaches, acne, tiredness (probably unrelated)
Hmm...I could have sworn I updated this monday, but whatever. Monday's leg workout went very well. Energy was all there, and my front squats went up...hitting a new PR. Surprisingly the rest of the workout after that I still had a lot in me. Starting to notice some sweating, especially about an hour after my morning dose. I also added half a grapefruit in a day...just for kicks.
Today (wednesday)'s workout was also solid, although I feel I am bordering on overtraining....might lighten up the HIIT a bit, time wise or drop a day. Had a PR in incline bench as well, and then switched things up for some other excercises so strength gains are hard to tell on everything else. Acne on the back has increased again, and I normally am not prone to much acne at all. Libido is still very strong, and there is little to none test. shrinkage. Thursday is HIIT cardio again, and I will update friday.
03-28-2004, 04:36 PM
Sorry for being a few days late...Ive been a little sick lately.
Friday March 26th
Sides: headache, increased acne and libido
Well, I am up another pound, which makes me happy. As I have been changing things up lifting wise this last week, once again strength comparisons are harder to gauge, although I can say that my deadlift is still consistently going up. In fact, deadlifting today felt easier and more solid then it has in weeks, despite setting another PR. While all my other lifts (whole body included), do not seem to have this explosive strength gains, deadlifts has been very noticeable. If not for slight difficulty in breathing a la tren, I would say my athletic ability and VO2 max have gone up significantly. Yet it is hard to tell, as sometimes the difficulty breathing crops up climbing a short flight of stairs, while other times I can do sprints with ease. I am starting to get a bit under the weather, with the temp. changes here and my allergies acting up...so I don't forsee going much longer on the mdien.
03-29-2004, 11:11 PM
Monday March 29th
Well, as of Saturday I effectively ended my Mdien cycle. Thus, this cycle log will come to an end with this post. I'd rather not do a full conclusion etc. report until PCT is finished, which will be continued in a separate post.
As a final report, my workouts sunday and today continued to be very strong. I switched from front squat to ATF squats today and felt real strong. Overall energy remained solid, and my weight is still steady. Without going into detail, I am using CustomNutritionWarehouse's Nolva at 40mg a day for the first week followed by 2 weeks at 20mg.
Until I find time to start up my PCT log, Arrivederci.
03-29-2004, 11:44 PM
03-30-2004, 06:41 AM
ok so you just did m1t, m5aa and m-dien.. so what would you say did the most for you..
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