Scottyo's Methyl-Dien Log
03-14-2004 11:30 AM
Thanks, here's the latest updates...and they are very pleasing.
Friday March 12th
Weight: did not weigh in today
Sides: slight headache, cramps, ridiculous pumps
Well, the strength has started to go up steadily, but not by leaps and bounds. I did not get a chance to weigh myself today but I am almost certain I am up a bit. I look and feel very full, and after a very solid PULL workout, PRing on Dead, my arms and back were pumped all night long. Hell, it was 2 am and they still felt and looked extremely vascular, and I had worked out at around 3 and had taken a nap. So, the pump on mdien is nothing to joke about. Energy was a little off today due to poor sleep (have mild sleep apnea), but when I got to the gym everything kicked into gear. I think everything has been adjusted and figured out, and I am expecting the next week to be all that mdien was made out to be. Due to the slight inconsistencies and differences I have had, I would not use my dosing as any real indicator of the efficacy of mdien...and I will add more of this when I conclude this log.
Also, tomorrow is purely a rest day, so I will not update until Sunday's dynamic bench and HIIT cardio.
03-14-2004 01:35 PM
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Just sounds like it takes a little while to kick in compared to M1T. I actually think thats better.
03-14-2004 05:25 PM
I'd agree. Also, there were a few issues regarding dosing that I don't really want to bring up just yet here. If your curious drop me a PM.
Originally Posted by Bobo
03-14-2004 06:47 PM
I am now on day like 15 or 16 at 2mg a day and definetly see a difference. Just a few days ago I thought the m-dien was not very good. I also love that I can eat like a pig and I don't seem to be gaining any noticeable fat.
03-15-2004 09:20 PM
Sunday March 14th
Sides: acne on shoulders and back, otherwise same
The mdien has definetly kicked in full force. Just like friday's workout, the pumps were ridiculous and I was doing a dynamic chest day only, plus HIIT. The cardio session was a little tougher then normal. Seems a bit like tren with shortness of breath, but not nearly as harsh. Once again, the muscles stayed pump hours after the workout. Since it was a dynamic day, I can't really say if lifts went up, as I was working on neuro-muscular activation etc. etc. Felt really strong, although when I was doing the HIIT, besides some shortness of breath, I felt like my blood pressure was through the roof. I did pop 25mg of ephedrine HCL, but I have never felt like that before. Will keep an eye on it.
Monday March 15th
Sides: same, more shortness of breath
Everything was up today. The strength is finally starting to come. Its the two week mark, and I am definetly seeing visible and noticeable gains in the gym, with very minimal sides. As its taken longer then expected, I am going to continue testing for another 2-4 weeks. My leg workout today was very solid. Like last monday's but much more intense and the strength was definetly there. I PR on front squats hitting 275x5 with still a little left in me. Then did 285 for a couple. Sitting here now I can still feel my quads twitching. Last couple days I give the mdien an A+. Even still, there is definetly more water retention then the M1T, but nothing like test, or 4ad, or even 4ad/1test combos like the old t1pro.
03-20-2004 11:53 AM
Thursday March 18th
Sides: fairly the same, more cramping
Well, its been a few days since I have updated this, however it has been more to being extremely busy then not seeing results. I did HIIT cardio today, and felt very solid. No undue cramping like M1T, and the energy level was on par. Also, my weight has gone up another pound, and if anything I look leaner (except for some abdominal distention). Thats all for today
Friday March 19th
Sides: nothing new
Weight hanging at 192 still. My lifts in the gym were all up today. Deads seem like they keep going up, hit another PR again. Switched up a few rowing motions and had a ridiculous pump, even with lower reps. Wide grip pullups went up a few pounds as well. The eternal pump didnt last all night long like it did last friday night, but it was still pretty strong.
Tomorrow is an off day, and will report in sunday.
03-20-2004 01:19 PM
When did you start over with the new MD batch?
How much have you gained since then, and can you tell the difference? MD is taking alot of heat right now, so I'd like to get your story straight from the source.
03-20-2004 05:07 PM
Never really started over. Just switched bottles a week ago saturday I believe. Part of the reason IMO that mdien is taking such heat is because people had premature expectations. At least from my experience, it is very different than M1T. Besides different and less sides, it seems like it has drastically diff effects on the CNS. I can't quantify, explain, or verify that...but take it for what its worth.
That all said, I have noticed a difference since switching bottles...could be placebo but that can always be the case.
03-21-2004 03:43 PM
thanks and give us the weekend update =) Things seem to be looking better for m-dien now,.,.
03-21-2004 05:47 PM
You are still up 4lbs. in under 1 month. If that is LBM then that is great.
03-21-2004 07:49 PM
Hey, I agree with you size. Im at a point, at least for me, where LBM gains come with difficulty. The great gains I had on M1T shocked me, but looking back, a good deal was probably the fact that I had been in europe all fall, and had lost weight abroad, and before I left. While I can say that the feeling is very different, and in some ways much less noticeable with mdien....it is also less noticeable in the negative sides department. Ill post my weekend (mostly today's) update later or tomorrow AM.
03-22-2004 10:56 AM
Sunday March 20th
Sides: nothing new
Strength was up today in the gym, as was endurance. Not mind blowing gains, but the second and third sets of things were noticeably easier. As I type this, Im sweating like a pig, and its only 64 in my apartment so go figure. Cramps have dissapeared, although the pumps even on a dynamic day were impressive. Did a little HIIT after like usual. Sprints and grids, and felt real solid, although I was a little more out of breath then usual. Monday is leg day, which is always a good indicator. I am starting up my Kre-alkayn and betaine HCL pre-workout mix tomorrow, as I am anticipating coming off within a week or so. My last bottle is getting low, and as I was originally only planning a 2-3 week cycle (and I am on day 21), I do not want to extend it out for more than another week.
03-22-2004 01:29 PM
so in other words would you recommend this product or not? and if not what product did you feel worked better and in what areas?
Originally Posted by Scottyo
03-22-2004 07:59 PM
Ive been posting at so many boards, I lose track what I say where. I will repeat the message I have consistently said. When this cycle is complete I will post a full conclusion, giving my personal opinions as to what this compound does well, what it doesn't etc etc..There are so many considerations, especially post-cycle recovery, gains kept, aesthetics and strength post and then some. I cannot give an accurate view until all is said and done.
With that all said, as of now I still have very good things to say about mdien, and if your uncertain, I would recommend a trial. However, it works very differently then M1T, so do not compare it 1 to 1.
03-25-2004 12:36 AM
just wondering what happened to the updates?? kinda in the dark now..
Originally Posted by Scottyo
03-25-2004 10:55 AM
Wednesday March 24th
Originally Posted by propho
Sides: some headaches, acne, tiredness (probably unrelated)
Hmm...I could have sworn I updated this monday, but whatever. Monday's leg workout went very well. Energy was all there, and my front squats went up...hitting a new PR. Surprisingly the rest of the workout after that I still had a lot in me. Starting to notice some sweating, especially about an hour after my morning dose. I also added half a grapefruit in a day...just for kicks.
Today (wednesday)'s workout was also solid, although I feel I am bordering on overtraining....might lighten up the HIIT a bit, time wise or drop a day. Had a PR in incline bench as well, and then switched things up for some other excercises so strength gains are hard to tell on everything else. Acne on the back has increased again, and I normally am not prone to much acne at all. Libido is still very strong, and there is little to none test. shrinkage. Thursday is HIIT cardio again, and I will update friday.
03-28-2004 05:36 PM
Sorry for being a few days late...Ive been a little sick lately.
Friday March 26th
Sides: headache, increased acne and libido
Well, I am up another pound, which makes me happy. As I have been changing things up lifting wise this last week, once again strength comparisons are harder to gauge, although I can say that my deadlift is still consistently going up. In fact, deadlifting today felt easier and more solid then it has in weeks, despite setting another PR. While all my other lifts (whole body included), do not seem to have this explosive strength gains, deadlifts has been very noticeable. If not for slight difficulty in breathing a la tren, I would say my athletic ability and VO2 max have gone up significantly. Yet it is hard to tell, as sometimes the difficulty breathing crops up climbing a short flight of stairs, while other times I can do sprints with ease. I am starting to get a bit under the weather, with the temp. changes here and my allergies acting up...so I don't forsee going much longer on the mdien.
03-30-2004 12:11 AM
Monday March 29th
Well, as of Saturday I effectively ended my Mdien cycle. Thus, this cycle log will come to an end with this post. I'd rather not do a full conclusion etc. report until PCT is finished, which will be continued in a separate post.
As a final report, my workouts sunday and today continued to be very strong. I switched from front squat to ATF squats today and felt real strong. Overall energy remained solid, and my weight is still steady. Without going into detail, I am using CustomNutritionWarehouse's Nolva at 40mg a day for the first week followed by 2 weeks at 20mg.
Until I find time to start up my PCT log, Arrivederci.
03-30-2004 12:44 AM
How about the body composition changes?
03-30-2004 07:41 AM
ok so you just did m1t, m5aa and m-dien.. so what would you say did the most for you..
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