Scottyo's Methyl-Dien Log
- 03-20-2004, 11:53 AM
Thursday March 18th
Sides: fairly the same, more cramping
Well, its been a few days since I have updated this, however it has been more to being extremely busy then not seeing results. I did HIIT cardio today, and felt very solid. No undue cramping like M1T, and the energy level was on par. Also, my weight has gone up another pound, and if anything I look leaner (except for some abdominal distention). Thats all for today
Friday March 19th
Sides: nothing new
Weight hanging at 192 still. My lifts in the gym were all up today. Deads seem like they keep going up, hit another PR again. Switched up a few rowing motions and had a ridiculous pump, even with lower reps. Wide grip pullups went up a few pounds as well. The eternal pump didnt last all night long like it did last friday night, but it was still pretty strong.
Tomorrow is an off day, and will report in sunday.
- 03-20-2004, 01:19 PM
When did you start over with the new MD batch?
How much have you gained since then, and can you tell the difference? MD is taking alot of heat right now, so I'd like to get your story straight from the source.
03-20-2004, 05:07 PM
Never really started over. Just switched bottles a week ago saturday I believe. Part of the reason IMO that mdien is taking such heat is because people had premature expectations. At least from my experience, it is very different than M1T. Besides different and less sides, it seems like it has drastically diff effects on the CNS. I can't quantify, explain, or verify that...but take it for what its worth.
That all said, I have noticed a difference since switching bottles...could be placebo but that can always be the case.
03-21-2004, 03:43 PM
03-21-2004, 05:47 PM
03-21-2004, 07:49 PM
Hey, I agree with you size. Im at a point, at least for me, where LBM gains come with difficulty. The great gains I had on M1T shocked me, but looking back, a good deal was probably the fact that I had been in europe all fall, and had lost weight abroad, and before I left. While I can say that the feeling is very different, and in some ways much less noticeable with mdien....it is also less noticeable in the negative sides department. Ill post my weekend (mostly today's) update later or tomorrow AM.
03-22-2004, 10:56 AM
Sunday March 20th
Sides: nothing new
Strength was up today in the gym, as was endurance. Not mind blowing gains, but the second and third sets of things were noticeably easier. As I type this, Im sweating like a pig, and its only 64 in my apartment so go figure. Cramps have dissapeared, although the pumps even on a dynamic day were impressive. Did a little HIIT after like usual. Sprints and grids, and felt real solid, although I was a little more out of breath then usual. Monday is leg day, which is always a good indicator. I am starting up my Kre-alkayn and betaine HCL pre-workout mix tomorrow, as I am anticipating coming off within a week or so. My last bottle is getting low, and as I was originally only planning a 2-3 week cycle (and I am on day 21), I do not want to extend it out for more than another week.
03-22-2004, 01:29 PM
so in other words would you recommend this product or not? and if not what product did you feel worked better and in what areas?Originally Posted by Scottyo
03-22-2004, 07:59 PM
Ive been posting at so many boards, I lose track what I say where. I will repeat the message I have consistently said. When this cycle is complete I will post a full conclusion, giving my personal opinions as to what this compound does well, what it doesn't etc etc..There are so many considerations, especially post-cycle recovery, gains kept, aesthetics and strength post and then some. I cannot give an accurate view until all is said and done.
With that all said, as of now I still have very good things to say about mdien, and if your uncertain, I would recommend a trial. However, it works very differently then M1T, so do not compare it 1 to 1.
03-25-2004, 12:36 AM
03-25-2004, 10:55 AM
Wednesday March 24thOriginally Posted by propho
Sides: some headaches, acne, tiredness (probably unrelated)
Hmm...I could have sworn I updated this monday, but whatever. Monday's leg workout went very well. Energy was all there, and my front squats went up...hitting a new PR. Surprisingly the rest of the workout after that I still had a lot in me. Starting to notice some sweating, especially about an hour after my morning dose. I also added half a grapefruit in a day...just for kicks.
Today (wednesday)'s workout was also solid, although I feel I am bordering on overtraining....might lighten up the HIIT a bit, time wise or drop a day. Had a PR in incline bench as well, and then switched things up for some other excercises so strength gains are hard to tell on everything else. Acne on the back has increased again, and I normally am not prone to much acne at all. Libido is still very strong, and there is little to none test. shrinkage. Thursday is HIIT cardio again, and I will update friday.
03-28-2004, 05:36 PM
Sorry for being a few days late...Ive been a little sick lately.
Friday March 26th
Sides: headache, increased acne and libido
Well, I am up another pound, which makes me happy. As I have been changing things up lifting wise this last week, once again strength comparisons are harder to gauge, although I can say that my deadlift is still consistently going up. In fact, deadlifting today felt easier and more solid then it has in weeks, despite setting another PR. While all my other lifts (whole body included), do not seem to have this explosive strength gains, deadlifts has been very noticeable. If not for slight difficulty in breathing a la tren, I would say my athletic ability and VO2 max have gone up significantly. Yet it is hard to tell, as sometimes the difficulty breathing crops up climbing a short flight of stairs, while other times I can do sprints with ease. I am starting to get a bit under the weather, with the temp. changes here and my allergies acting up...so I don't forsee going much longer on the mdien.
03-30-2004, 12:11 AM
Monday March 29th
Well, as of Saturday I effectively ended my Mdien cycle. Thus, this cycle log will come to an end with this post. I'd rather not do a full conclusion etc. report until PCT is finished, which will be continued in a separate post.
As a final report, my workouts sunday and today continued to be very strong. I switched from front squat to ATF squats today and felt real strong. Overall energy remained solid, and my weight is still steady. Without going into detail, I am using CustomNutritionWarehouse's Nolva at 40mg a day for the first week followed by 2 weeks at 20mg.
Until I find time to start up my PCT log, Arrivederci.
03-30-2004, 12:44 AM
03-30-2004, 07:41 AM
03-30-2004, 10:55 AM
Longtom, give me a few days and I will report more on Body comp. I like to let the androgens completely clear and then decide.
Actually propho, I did M1T/M5AA combo for about 2 weeks, followed by M1T solo for a bit longer. Got to experience them combined and then what it felt like on M1T alone. Comparing m-dien to the other two is really like comparing apples to oranges. They are different compounds with different properties. However, for short quick cycles I would probably say M1T, at least from my experience. Also, strength M1T/M5AA was pretty impressive, far and away better then M1T alone, with mdien as a third.
Side effect wise, mdien was the by far the best. Very little negative, a lot of positive (energy libido etc all up).
03-30-2004, 01:43 PM
04-10-2004, 10:28 AM
Sorry its been a while. To briefly answer your question...Ive gotten together with family over this Easter break, and everyone agrees that I definetly look bigger then I did when they last saw me in the beginning of march. So take that for what its worth. Size remains the same PCT, as does strength....and I am the heaviest I have ever been, although I really can't see any real fat gain from the mdien. Maybe a little bloat from the creatine, but im pretty lean right now.Originally Posted by longtom74
04-10-2004, 01:31 PM
Also just curious when you were taking M1T and M5AA did you lower the amount of M1T you took and also take less M5AA? I was thinking of doing an M1T cycle and only take M5AA preworkout .. just wondering if I would have to cut back on the amount of M1T and take a lower dose of M5AA..I am thinking of doing a total of 3 different substances.. M1T, M1,4ADD and M-Dien and on each of those do M5AA preworkout.. I got plenty of Nolva for PCT.. 4 bottles to be exact..
Might start with M1,4ADD /w M5AA for maybe 3 weeks PCT then M1T /w M5aa for another 3 weeks and PCT then M-Dien /w M5aa for 3 weeks then PCT for a while and take a long break from PH's..
My one concern was how was your libido while on M1T and M5aa .. I don't wanna be dead cuz my gurl will kill me..is 4AD a necessity?
04-12-2004, 08:13 PM
4AD was not necessary for me. I was up and ready to go with just the M5AA and M1T, but it did drop a bit (although not horribly) on the M1T.
Dosing on the M1T and M5AA was 15mg each, and was taken every day.
My advice on your cycle idea is to do 2 out of 3...i think all three mini cycles is being on for a long time, despite 3 week breaks. Just me, but i would do the 3 on, PCT, 3 on, then long or moderate PCT. Re-evaluate, and either do again or try the third compound.
04-13-2004, 08:42 PM
04-14-2004, 09:58 PM
dropped maybe one pound since end of cycle...if that. Bodyfat same or lower....need to caliper (dont have any with me where I am at right now).
need to do a full write up...hopefully get to it in the next couple of days.
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