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i have been using td formestane solo for about a week, cel has been nice enough to offer to let me try xtren to stack with it. i asked for some support supps and got them all, with some sns stuff thrown in. so along with td formeatane/xtren i will also be using cycle assist/pct assist/inhibit-e/suppress-c and phenibutxt for on cycle sleep issues. i will drop td forestane from 4 pumps 2xday to 2x2 and do 90mg tren for 3-4 weeks them bump up to 120mg. i work 3rd shift so my day starts at night, just to clear that up.
 
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i used 2 pumps of td formestane after shower when i got up, ate and took 1 tren and 4 cycle assist. at 2nd break-3am i took 1 tren. when i got home this morning at 7:45 am i showered and used 4 pumps td formestane, ate and took 1 tren and 4 cycle assist. about 20 minutes ago i took 4 phenibutxt, it is starting to work because i am getting sleepy. btw i will try to keep dosing as consistent as possible, but have already been told i will be working 7pm-7am next week to cover shifts. may not have all the time i would like for the gym but 12 hour shifts at my place of business-corrogated box factory- is a pretty good workout.
 
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Subscribing to follow along. This should be a very interesting log.
 
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Subscribing to follow along. This should be a very interesting log.
very interested in what i will get from tren, always nervous about sides before, but now that i have td form to run with i am excited about it.
 
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I bet you'll gain about 6 or 8 real lean pounds. Strength and pumps should be the highlight of Xtren brotha!
 
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In and watching BigT... looks to be a very promising stack!!!
 
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Good 4u. Ru using Cel's tren?
yes, sir xtren. this is basically a cel log. incorporating cycle assist/td formestane along with pct assist/suppress-c for part of pct along with inhibit-e/phenibutxt by sns. this is imo about as good as it gets for on cycle and pct.
 
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I bet you'll gain about 6 or 8 real lean pounds. Strength and pumps should be the highlight of Xtren brotha!
that would be ideal, glad to have you along. we been talking so long, i really value your input.
 
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In and watching BigT... looks to be a very promising stack!!!
don't just watch join in, i need all the input i can get. damn, the old gang is almost back together-wheres neo?
 
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don't just watch join in, i need all the input i can get. damn, the old gang is almost back together-wheres neo?
I was thinking the same thing LOL

I appreciate the respectful comments brotha! But keep in mind, I've never ran any trens either so my opinions might not always be the best for this compound.
 
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I was thinking the same thing LOL

I appreciate the respectful comments brotha! But keep in mind, I've never ran any trens either so my opinions might not always be the best for this compound.
the thing that interests me the most about tren is the strength and musce hardening effects, not really interested in mass ive been there done that.
 
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2nd night at work on tren went real well, only thing i noticed was i woke up feeling kinda drowsy which turned into a real mellow/calm feeling that lasted all night-this is surprising since i was sort of pissed about having to come in on my day off. could be a side effect of the phenibutxt, not sure but i liked it. going to the chiropractor then cut grass and use whatever i have left on a trip to the gym.
 
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2nd night at work on tren went real well, only thing i noticed was i woke up feeling kinda drowsy which turned into a real mellow/calm feeling that lasted all night-this is surprising since i was sort of pissed about having to come in on my day off. could be a side effect of the phenibutxt, not sure but i liked it. going to the chiropractor then cut grass and use whatever i have left on a trip to the gym.
Phenibut can have potential to cause early morning (or night in your case:D) drowsiness if to much is ingested. Probably not the xtren in any case. If anything, cut the dosage of the phenibutxt back to 2 or 3 caps and see if that doesn't help.:thumbsup:
 
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I was thinking the same thing LOL

I appreciate the respectful comments brotha! But keep in mind, I've never ran any trens either so my opinions might not always be the best for this compound.
Awww, how things come full circle in the world of friendship. Let's raise our drinking glass everybody.:beerchug:
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Wow T, this log is evolving into something else.. Rock on, I'm in.
 
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ok, took a tren and went to gym, after chiropractor and cutting grass. felt good for having been up all night, did 4 sets of 5 rep at 260 on bp. did some preacher curls 4 sets at 100. my favorite-weighted leg raises sets of 10. and walked 10 minutes at a decent pace on treadmill-rehabing a partial knee replacement that is acting up. came home and grilled porterhouses-great day here in indy, best we've had in a long time. no sides to report, i had my blood presure checked by nurse at work this morning and it was 124/85-about my normal. heard tren was hard on bp, but i also heard cycle assist is top notch so i am not to concerned.
 
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ok, took a tren and went to gym, after chiropractor and cutting grass. felt good for having been up all night, did 4 sets of 5 rep at 260 on bp. did some preacher curls 4 sets at 100. my favorite-weighted leg raises sets of 10. and walked 10 minutes at a decent pace on treadmill-rehabing a partial knee replacement that is acting up. came home and grilled porterhouses-great day here in indy, best we've had in a long time. no sides to report, i had my blood presure checked by nurse at work this morning and it was 124/85-about my normal. heard tren was hard on bp, but i also heard cycle assist is top notch so i am not to concerned.
Great to hear T. Looking at your schedule I would have called it a day after the lawn mowing.:D Nothing better then sitting back and grilling some porterhouses on a nice sunny day. I agree, the weather was perfect for it yesterday( I'm right down the road from you in Cincinnati).
 
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Great to hear T. Looking at your schedule I would have called it a day after the lawn mowing.:D Nothing better then sitting back and grilling some porterhouses on a nice sunny day. I agree, the weather was perfect for it yesterday( I'm right down the road from you in Cincinnati).
yeah, my white a$$ needed some grilling too. never believed in 'tanning lights' so in winter months i get pale as hell,lol.
 
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yeah, my white a$$ needed some grilling too. never believed in 'tanning lights' so in winter months i get pale as hell,lol.
Grilling + lawn mowing = Sexified!!!:bigok:
 
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Grilling + lawn mowing = Sexified!!!:bigok:
it was a joy to be able to cut grass pain-free, i got a new brace for my knee that is incredible. life is good.
 
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it was a joy to be able to cut grass pain-free, i got a new brace for my knee that is incredible. life is good.
That's right, you had ACL reconstruction last year, correct(Auto or Cadaver)? Is it still bothering you?
 
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That's right, you had ACL reconstruction last year, correct(Auto or Cadaver)? Is it still bothering you?
i ended up having partial knee replacement, but my knee was collapsing on the inside. ortho surgeon after prescribing a ton of oxycodone, finally ordered me a brace-$1200, thank the lord for insurance. the brace has a adjustment knob that holds my knee in place and i am finally pain-free after all this time. i should see some fantastic results on this cycle since i am able to be more active after a long lay-off.
 
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i ended up having partial knee replacement, but my knee was collapsing on the inside. ortho surgeon after prescribing a ton of oxycodone, finally ordered me a brace-$1200, thank the lord for insurance. the brace has a adjustment knob that holds my knee in place and i am finally pain-free after all this time. i should see some fantastic results on this cycle since i am able to be more active after a long lay-off.
The knee was collapsing, or the joint? I'm sure you still have to have some sort of pain management even with the new brace?
 
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The knee was collapsing, or the joint? I'm sure you still have to have some sort of pain management even with the new brace?
the knee itself was going inward at an awkward angle when i walked, as for pain management i am down to 2 800mg ibuprofen daily. the brace is called a thruster and while being awkward it is making it pain-free enough that i can resume my active lifestyle again. i am even thinking to schedule tennis next weekend if i don't have to work.
 
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ok, today is start of day 4. used 2 pumps of td formestane after shower. will take 4 cycle assist after eating, plan to try taking 2 tren before work tonight since i qon't be going to gym tomorrow, atart 12's on monday night 7-7. absolutely no sides-no shedding or prostate issues, cycle assist seems to be very good. weight is still 210 out of shower on bathroom scales it has been being 217 at work on accuate scales fully clothed and wearing steel toed boots. i will check on bp in the morning. libido seems to be down some, i think this is from reducing the formestane from 4 pumps to 2.
 
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everything is going good so far. bp is normal, libido is down just a little but still working...was up 2 pounds at work last night. cut the phenibutxt down to 2 caps and aggression was up by a small amount. very mild cycle to this point.
 
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I bet you'll gain about 6 or 8 real lean pounds. Strength and pumps should be the highlight of Xtren brotha!
If you eat right, you'll put that much on in 2 weeks. I'm a hard gainer, and I've seen about 9-10lbs so far coming into week 3 of Tren-X. Then again I'm not using the knock-off either. I'm using the ACL. This stuff is unnatural with gains, pump, and size & strength in such a short amount of time.
 
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the thing that interests me the most about tren is the strength and musce hardening effects, not really interested in mass ive been there done that.
You get mass, too. Just the mass you want. (i.e. only lean mass) I couldn't imagine being on this stuff longer than 4 weeks. The difference is so noticeable after only 2 weeks on it. It's getting hard to explain myself to other peeps in the gym. :nervous:
 
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If you eat right, you'll put that much on in 2 weeks. I'm a hard gainer, and I've seen about 9-10lbs so far coming into week 3 of Tren-X. Then again I'm not using the knock-off either. I'm using the ACL. This stuff is unnatural with gains, pump, and size & strength in such a short amount of time.
i have gained 2 pounds already, and noticed a recomp difference. no real strength gains yet. btw i am using cel's xtren which is identical to what you are using. cel is #1 at doing good clones at a good price, their reputation has never been questioned.
 
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You get mass, too. Just the mass you want. (i.e. only lean mass) I couldn't imagine being on this stuff longer than 4 weeks. The difference is so noticeable after only 2 weeks on it. It's getting hard to explain myself to other peeps in the gym. :nervous:
explain it to me, you have my attention. this cycle has been so mild so far that i was thinking to stack with p-mag. maybe i will wait till after 2nd week to see. thank for sharing this, ive never ran tren before.
 
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explain it to me, you have my attention. this cycle has been so mild so far that i was thinking to stack with p-mag. maybe i will wait till after 2nd week to see. thank for sharing this, ive never ran tren before.
You could also consider upping your dose on the X-Tren somewhat if you didnt want to stack it.
 
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Mild is good in terms of feel. What happens in the mirror is what counts IMO.

Also, I agree with CompEdgeLabs. I'm assuming you're dosing 2 caps this week. Maybe bump to 3 next week. Then decide if you want to keep it at 3 or go to 4.

From the logs I've skimmed over earlier today with similar compounds, the sides are pretty low even at 4 caps for the most part. Maybe at around week 4 or 5 people start to see a libido drop and back pumps. And in which case, the general tone seems to be that recovery is NOT a miserable process even with higher dosages (disclaimer: sources were suspect).
 
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explain it to me, you have my attention. this cycle has been so mild so far that i was thinking to stack with p-mag. maybe i will wait till after 2nd week to see. thank for sharing this, ive never ran tren before.
Well, after 12 days I increased 1/2 inch in bust, and 1/2 inch in arms. Although I didn't measure up anywhere else, I've noticed substantial increase in size in ALL of my upper body, and some nice addition to thickness in my thighs as well. FYI - my measurements are deflated, right after I wake up. I like to get the measurements that I carry around 90% of the time instead of the temporary pumps that I get in the gym. Very little vascularity and a serious decrease in libido. With that said, I'm not taking any cycle support at the moment (although my PCT will have this)- just Tren-X, ACL LIVR, and some Cytogain. Other than that, I'm just being nutritionally conscious on a daily basis.

My BP max has gone up 30lbs in 15 days, dead-lifts went up 30lbs also in 15 days, and only about 5-10lbs increase in curl max. Nonetheless, the results are great. But I'm getting this irritability in my right nipple..I wonder if thats my estrogen getting stupid ideas. :nono2: My Formex & Epistane have something to say about that. We'll see...
 
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Mild is good in terms of feel. What happens in the mirror is what counts IMO.

Also, I agree with CompEdgeLabs. I'm assuming you're dosing 2 caps this week. Maybe bump to 3 next week. Then decide if you want to keep it at 3 or go to 4.

From the logs I've skimmed over earlier today with similar compounds, the sides are pretty low even at 4 caps for the most part. Maybe at around week 4 or 5 people start to see a libido drop and back pumps. And in which case, the general tone seems to be that recovery is NOT a miserable process even with higher dosages (disclaimer: sources were suspect).
Yes, I'd say so about the sources being suspect. This stuff does kill libido. You can take it to the bank. After about day 4 or 5 my libido was tanking fast. Still down at this point, but I've noticed some last stand attempts from my natural hormones to make a comeback. This can easily be fixed by a number of products OTC. It's the estrogen spikes that we all need to pay attention to. You are referring to Tren right? (3) is max daily and I wouldn't recommend any more than this. This sides may be much harder to subside if overdosed.
 
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today was unreal, weighed in at work at 222-5 pound gain. the aggression hit, nothing i couldn't handle but i knew it was there. i don't have gym numbers to compare to, but i felt much stronger when lifting heavy stuff. this really caught me by surprise, i wasn't expecting much from the first week or 2. btw i have been dosing 3 caps from day 1. i feel good for having just worked a 12, going to take 2 phenibutxt and get some sleep then do it again. just found out we are working fri night-my saturday, hope rest of the week goes as well as last night. to bryan- i think i may have underestimated this stuff.
 
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Yes, I'd say so about the sources being suspect. This stuff does kill libido. You can take it to the bank. After about day 4 or 5 my libido was tanking fast. Still down at this point, but I've noticed some last stand attempts from my natural hormones to make a comeback. This can easily be fixed by a number of products OTC. It's the estrogen spikes that we all need to pay attention to. You are referring to Tren right? (3) is max daily and I wouldn't recommend any more than this. This sides may be much harder to subside if overdosed.
i am using 2 pumps 2xday of cel's td formestane and libido is still alive and kicking. i said in an earlier post that libido was down slightly, but i think that is because i reduced the formestane from 4pumps 2xday. i was leery of running xtren before because of estrogen/prolactin issues. but since i have the td formestane to run with the xtren i am not concerned. i highly recommend using the td formestane with the xtren to prevent sides like this. imo prevention is much better than a cure.
 
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i am using 2 pumps 2xday of cel's td formestane and libido is still alive and kicking. i said in an earlier post that libido was down slightly, but i think that is because i reduced the formestane from 4pumps 2xday. i was leery of running xtren before because of estrogen/prolactin issues. but since i have the td formestane to run with the xtren i am not concerned. i highly recommend using the td formestane with the xtren to prevent sides like this. imo prevention is much better than a cure.
You are correct. I'm hoping the Formex will do the trick at prevention as well as libido enhancement, and then Epistane afterwards to retain gains (maybe even add) and continue suppressing estro-levels.

By the way, Formex is a very similar to formestane. Only it is supposed to be better in that it has more bioavailability.
 
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i have gained 2 pounds already, and noticed a recomp difference. no real strength gains yet. btw i am using cel's xtren which is identical to what you are using. cel is #1 at doing good clones at a good price, their reputation has never been questioned.
what about m1,4add?
Not an attack on CEL by any means just pointing it out cause you said never. If i remember correctly CEL was cool enough to replace anyone's bottle from the bad batch.
 
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You are correct. I'm hoping the Formex will do the trick at prevention as well as libido enhancement, and then Epistane afterwards to retain gains (maybe even add) and continue suppressing estro-levels.

By the way, Formex is a very similar to formestane. Only it is supposed to be better in that it has more bioavailability.
transdermal or td is the best way ive tried for formestane. look for cel's td formestane soon at nutra planet. btw look at neo's formestane e-form thread in the article section. cel's td formestane is upgraded e-form.
 
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transdermal or td is the best way ive tried for formestane. look for cel's td formestane soon at nutra planet. btw look at neo's formestane e-form thread in the article section. cel's td formestane is upgraded e-form.
I love td formestane. I was so upset when it just sort of went away and you couldn't find it anywhere! I would check the site I used to get it @ literally every week for months upon months. When I saw that CEL was bringing back td formestane I almost had an accident on my keyboard! On top of that P-Mag!! Very nice.

Kudos to CEL for giving the people what they want!!!!!!!! :006: I have a couple bottles on the way as I'm typing this!!!
 
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I love td formestane. I was so upset when it just sort of went away and you couldn't find it anywhere! I would check the site I used to get it @ literally every week for months upon months. When I saw that CEL was bringing back td formestane I almost had an accident on my keyboard! On top of that P-Mag!! Very nice.

Kudos to CEL for giving the people what they want!!!!!!!! :006: I have a couple bottles on the way as I'm typing this!!!
I was under the impression that Formex is a replacement supplement for formestane (something that accomplishes the same thing more effectively).
 
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i am using 2 pumps 2xday of cel's td formestane and libido is still alive and kicking. i said in an earlier post that libido was down slightly, but i think that is because i reduced the formestane from 4pumps 2xday. i was leery of running xtren before because of estrogen/prolactin issues. but since i have the td formestane to run with the xtren i am not concerned. i highly recommend using the td formestane with the xtren to prevent sides like this. imo prevention is much better than a cure.
Bigt, I would still be leery of prolactin issues. I'm about to start a Tren run and I've done a ton of research on this, and I'm fairly sure it's all on point.

The formestane will obviously keep estrogen in check, and prolactin as it relates to estrogen (the two have a converse relationship). BUT - and this is a big but - the Tren compund has a strong affinity for the progesterone receptor and can raise prolactin independently of estrogen levels. I would supplement with dopamine agonists to help keep prolactin levels low. Just my $0.02.
 
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You are correct. I'm hoping the Formex will do the trick at prevention as well as libido enhancement, and then Epistane afterwards to retain gains (maybe even add) and continue suppressing estro-levels.

By the way, Formex is a very similar to formestane. Only it is supposed to be better in that it has more bioavailability.
Not sure what you're saying here? You're going to bridge Tren to Epi?
 
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BigT has a strong cycle history and a solid 90 pounds on ya brotha. He'll be fine if he decidedes to increase dosages. Then again, by the way things sound lately, he might not need to :head:
 

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