Methyl 4AD log
- 01-24-2004, 01:52 PM
Saturday... I'm definitly liking this more and more at 200mg/day. My back/bi workout was insane today. My arms are so vascular and I have no sub Q fat on then so the pump made them look unreal. They never looked better. Tomorrow I will start dosing at 250mg/day to see if it makes any diference. I think it will. If anyone is thinking about using this I would suggest starting around 150 to 200/day. I'm convinced now that the first week was wasted on an inadequate dose. Ever since I started dosing 160 to 200, I have really liked it. It would be intresting to see someone start from there and get their impressions.
- 01-24-2004, 03:53 PM
No hair problems right? Are you prone to MPB?
Forgive me if I already asked this....
Looks like 200mg+ is blowing you up
- 01-24-2004, 06:41 PM
Originally Posted by Deoudes59
Lastly, YES 200 is doing me very nicely. can't wait to see what 250 does.
One more thing. Like I said, so far ZERO sides and the gains are nice and lean. My muscles are feeling full and hard. I wasn't expecting that.
Edit... I decidedto take a BP reading before I go up to 250mg tomorow.
132/69. How ya like them apples?
01-25-2004, 06:10 AM
01-25-2004, 01:05 PM
Ok so I just read the last 3 pages of this thread for the first time. So 200mg+? Since this is a beta test, and not many people at all have used this compound and have had blood work done, how do you know if M4AD is any more or less toxic than other methyls? I mean if somebody were to run 50mg of M1T and keep a log here, everybody on the board would ****. And this is 200mg+. I know that methyl-X could be more toxic than methyl-Y (methyl-tren compared to DBOL), but how do we have any idea just how toxic M4AD is?
01-25-2004, 01:34 PM
I find it interesting that everyone initially was up in arms about sixthsense's 250mg/day, and now we see Lean One breaking the 200 mg/day barrier. Not to say this is a good idea, but sometimes it's funny how things play out.
01-25-2004, 01:41 PM
I have no clue. Did I say definitively less toxic? Nope. Some of us have speculated that, but that's all it is... Speculation. I was hoping that you might be willing to help us find out. I already said I'm not exited about having to to take so much, but this is a test and I'm aleady in knee deep.Originally Posted by supersoldier
01-25-2004, 01:56 PM
Yes, I agree. I said earlier that there was probably a reason they were recomending that much. Because they tested it long before me.Originally Posted by GhostfaceKillah
Let me just restate a few things so people don't jump down my throat.
1. In light of the fact that it takes this much to be effective, I'm still not sure this would be a good idea. That's obvious. The whole toxicity issue is a big unknown.
2. I'm not sure if It can be made cost effective. $30 a bottle for a 5 day supply at 200mg isn't that great of a deal. I imagine some big guys might need around 300mg.
3. Lastly, This is a test and so far a lot has been learned. I'm going to follow through with it to the end. At least I've come to a point where I'm making some nice gains,but I probably won't go this route again.Due to the above 2 reasons.
01-25-2004, 02:22 PM
Bro you gave it a shot, although most knew the outcome. I doubt this product will be on the market by DS. The results are subpar and you can get far better and safer gains with different compounds. With the amount needed, toxicity issues that accompany them, and price for a cycle it's laughable. Lean One although it does come with the territory of testing products I'll give you a bump taking a lot of **** and keeping the thread updated. have a good one, J
01-25-2004, 04:02 PM
I'd like to help out but it doesn't seem like testing this is worth my while. I really commend you for testing it and I'm not knocking the product, I just have better things to do with my time and resources, like test the Methyl-dienOriginally Posted by Lean One
01-25-2004, 04:23 PM
01-25-2004, 06:25 PM
your cost effective thing is a non-issue. by the gram it is very cheap, and is sold by this weight in powder form. i am not opining on the quality of m-4-ad as a substance as compared to the others, but price is not an issue if you buy it in powder form. it's $5 a gram in powder form. at 200 mg a day, that would be 25 days for $5 (plus the cost of the carrier, which would probably be no more than $1-$2. is it really that hard to make your OWN oral solution/suspension? that's a rhetorical question. you pay a lot more for convenience, if you buy it already in liquid form. DS offers it in powder form, and that is the way to buy it for cost effectiveness.
i also agree with DS that (in general) esterified prohormones (1-test cyp, 4-ad prop, etc.) placed into solution or even unesterified prohormones placed into suspension for injection are going to be better/safer/more effective options, in general, than methyls. pinning is NOT illegal, contrary to popular belief. substances are, or are not illegal. converting a legal substance into an injectable form is not illegal, unless the parent substance itself is illegal. for those who have valid reasons for not pinning, that's fine. but for those who want to use solely methyls to avoid the pain or stigma of pinning, that would be silly. pinning ph's is legal, incredibly effective, and very cheap. 4-ad base, which makes a decent suspension is under $1 a gram. it doesn't get much cheaper than that.
01-25-2004, 07:34 PM
01-26-2004, 11:39 AM
Now, let's see - there's a problem in your math somewhere -Originally Posted by jjjd
1 gram equals 1000mg....at 200 mg per day that is 5 days per gram (1000/200), or about 1$ per day. Not terribly expensive but not as cheap as you thought...
01-26-2004, 11:57 AM
If you homebrew, the cost definitely isn't bad. But do you or anyone else really want to down 2 or 3 hundred mg of a methyl to get results?? Like I said, the only reason I'm doing this much is because I'm testing this and I'm already in knee deep. Oh, and I kinda like the results i'm getting now.
01-26-2004, 12:15 PM
Exactly this compound is not good. Why would you buy it and have to take 200mg of a methylated substance. I don't get it, what are people thinking here?
01-26-2004, 04:28 PM
jack of shadows, you are right. $1 a day for the hormone. bad arithmetic. numberz r harde. lol. lol.
and as i said, i am not saying this is a good compound, merely commenting on the price. imo, injectables, since they are completely legal and much safer, are almost always a better choice. probably so, when one considers taking 200mg a day of a methylated compound - m-4-ad. otoh, i think methyldi does sound incredibly intriguing. and m-1-t is definitely very effective
01-27-2004, 07:04 AM
Tuesday... Nothing maijor to report exept that I decided to increase my calories a little, and my weight is going back up slowly. I have never been this lean while eating this many calories in my life. This is definitely above maintenance cals for me and I'm leaning out. I'll try to keep this trend going.
01-28-2004, 04:26 AM
Gonna catch **** for this one
Liver Toxicity.........Has anyone read the Article on the "Article" forum about toxicity. It seems to blow everyone's theory on the toxicity of Methylated compounds. Yeah, they ARE bad. If one were to do a 4-6wk cycle of Jack Daniels everyday, you would be drunk everyday, not DEAD. Toxicity and its negative side affects are seen from Years of constant abuse not 4-6 week cycles with solid PCT afterwards. A 4-6 week cycle of McDonalds 4 times a day is more harmful than combining M1T and M4AD in my opinion. Bobo, you have got to be one of the most knowledgeable (and sarcastic) persons on any board, and although your concerns are genuine, I believe they are at the extreme end of the parameter. Your liver's function is to filter out harmful substances and it is built to last a LIFETIME not just to make it through a cycle of methylated compounds.
I'm at 30mg of M1T daily, started 3rd week yesterday, up 8 pounds and lethargy is what is killing me! Great ****, but need injectable caffeine to stack with it
01-28-2004, 11:53 AM
Thanks to lean ones test, I have changed the dose on the oral solution to 30mgs/ml and the tabs when they are done will be 50mg tabs. This will allow for the correct dosing at a much better price and longer supply.
01-28-2004, 04:33 PM
Just to let everyone know, Sldge is unable to get any extra stuff to me in time so we decided to wrap up the test. This is fine because I think we've found answers to basic questions surrounding this compound. Today is three weeks in and I just started the last bottle. I'm not sure how much more I can gain from this as I only have a few days left til it's gone. I've been doing 250mg for a few days now and still no sides. I think I might up it to 300 just to see if any sides show up. Still none. I'm up 5 lbs after all this, but I did lose some fat so It could be more in terms of muscle. I will wait til the test is over to give my final thoughts, check measurments, and take a pic before Phase 2. Phase 2 will be 30mg of M5AA alone for the last 2 weeks for a total of 6 weeks. While on the M5AA, I will reduce calories some and attempt to get peeled. I also have some T3 I might throw in as well. After that I will do the usual PCT with LST(liver support therapy) and some Swole V2 for good measure. So stay tuned. There's more to come!
01-31-2004, 10:11 AM
Well today is the final day of the test. I've been dosing 300mg/day for these last few days. Here are the results.
Stepped on the scale at 163 this morning. That's up 6lbs from the start. Keep in mind that the first week was a waste at too low of a dose, so six lbs in 2 1/2 weeks aint bad. This stuff definitely needs to be dosed at 200 to 300 mg/day to be effective.
Measurements: Arm 15 3/4 +3/4
Forarm 12 +3/4
Chest 40 3/4 + 1
Quad 23 +3/4
Calf 14 1/2 + 1/4
Waist 31 1/2 Same
Not too bad. I'm happy. I have after pics, but wifee can't get them up for me till monday. They are on her laptop at work. Nothing too dramatic change wise, but they will serve as a good comparison when phase 2 is complete. I will do the skindex test at the end, but I can sefely say that currently my bodyfat is either the same or slightly lower. The pics will show that.
These are my final impressions... M4AD definitely works. Is it as good as the other methyls out there and in the works? No. At high enough doses, It did provide some nice lean gains. I was suprised that even at 300mg/day, I had no estrogenic sides. The only side I did get was acne, but it wasn't that bad. I did get great pumps on this and it made my muscles feel full and hard. I also had a moderate increase in strength. The gains were lean and came on slowly and steadily. No dramatic blow up like might be expected from a compound with potential for E conversion. With that in mind, I think the gains should be pretty easy to maintain post cycle. If anybody is considering using this I would have to recomend starting at 200 to 250/day and working up if desired. Definitely have nolva on hand,though I diddn't need it. That's just me though. I think If someone wanted to use this and started at an adequate dose, they could make some good gains with a 4 week cycle. The only complaint I have is the necessity for such a high dose.(for obvious reasons.) So all things considered, It wasn't that bad. I hope I've been able to help others make a more informed decision in regards to using M4AD in the future. Phase 2 starts tomorrow.
02-02-2004, 07:43 AM
02-02-2004, 08:01 AM
Well, like I said, not a dramatic diference but still up 6lbs and slightly leaner after 2 1/2 weeks at an effective dose.
Started Phase 2 yesterday. This will be a 2 week cut. I switched to 30mg/day of M5AA and also adding in T3, and lipo 6. Gonna keep calories slightly below maintenance, and do tons of cardio. I'm hoping to drop 4 or 5 lbs of fat while keeping my newly aquired muscle. I'll post the final pics with my Skindex results at the end.
02-02-2004, 10:22 AM
02-02-2004, 10:30 AM
02-02-2004, 11:29 AM
Very slight but he probably just has a keen eye for such things. Left hand is slightly rotated forward, left shoulder elevated a bit. Ever have shoulder problems
02-02-2004, 12:57 PM
You totally nailed it on the head. Before my career in the fitness industry, I climed trees for a living. Treework fried BOTH of my shoulders. I had to quit because I got to the point where I could barely take a gallon of milk out of the fridge. It's been a long road of recovery, but those days are behind me now. I still have to train around it at times. I don't think I'll ever be 100% again.Originally Posted by bioman
02-02-2004, 05:43 PM
My left shoulder is screwed as well although I'm a righty, go figure. Teres major attachments to scapula are about 50% gone(pre-body building condition). Surgery is most likely in my future. My posture is similar to yours.
02-02-2004, 07:55 PM
I feel your pain man. I was determined to not get cut. That's part of why I found another line of work. Good luck with that.Originally Posted by bioman
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