Methyl 4AD log

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  1. Saturday morning... Up another pound today. This is a small milestone for me. The last time I weighed 160,I was around 15% BF. Woke up with wood the last two mornings. other than that, no changes. Did the nipple test;Nothing. No bloat either. Going up to 160mg today.

    Hmmm... Just a thought. Half joking half serious. Mabey this stuff should be dosed at 1mg/lb of bodyweight?? I think I'm getting close to an effective dose.


  2. Maybe...depends on how one defines practical and worthwhile. It is a compound I have been waiting to see for quite some time - not necessarily as a way to gain incredible amounts of mass, but as ongoing hormonal support - perhaps between cycles of other more effective mass builders. So I had hoped to get some indication of what would happen if it were used at moderate (reasonable?) doses over longer periods of time. Of course, I realize that most folks on these boards couldn't give a damn about that type of use for these compounds. Hence, I guess that is a test I will have to do for myself.

    BTW, I applaud your willingness to post a log in any case. It seems to me that most people who do so to try to help others (of course, some do so because it is cool) catch so much crap that it is hardly worth the effort. Last time I posted results - on M1T (as an older lifter) and with which I had only modest results at best and felt that the sides, most notably the lethargy, out weighed the positives - so many people implied I was lying that I realized why I had never done so before and would not do so again.

    Stomped the crap out of my prosocial behavior.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Jack of Shadows
    Maybe...depends on how one defines practical and worthwhile. It is a compound I have been waiting to see for quite some time - not necessarily as a way to gain incredible amounts of mass, but as ongoing hormonal support - perhaps between cycles of other more effective mass builders. So I had hoped to get some indication of what would happen if it were used at moderate (reasonable?) doses over longer periods of time. Of course, I realize that most folks on these boards couldn't give a damn about that type of use for these compounds. Hence, I guess that is a test I will have to do for myself.

    BTW, I applaud your willingness to post a log in any case. It seems to me that most people who do so to try to help others (of course, some do so because it is cool) catch so much crap that it is hardly worth the effort. Last time I posted results - on M1T (as an older lifter) and with which I had only modest results at best and felt that the sides, most notably the lethargy, out weighed the positives - so many people implied I was lying that I realized why I had never done so before and would not do so again.

    Stomped the crap out of my prosocial behavior.
    Thanks for the supportive comments. One thing that I've been thinking about in regards to the gains I have made is that They seem to have come slow and steady,and despite my expectations,they are relatively lean and dry. Relative being the key word here. I was thinking that if the gains come on slower and are leaner, that it wouldn't overwhelm the body and that might mean they could be more easily retained after the cycle. Just a thought. As far as hormonal support between cycles a transdermal would siut that purpose better. Remember It is a methyl. You would also have to consider the issue of supression.

  4. Sunday... Start of day 2 at 160mg. No changes to report. Just finished legs. I reinjured by back on my last set of squats w/200 on my back. I have a herniated disc as a reminder of my years as a manual laborer. It wasn't too bad; It could have been worse. I racked it after 2 reps. Still, This is not good. I was able to finish up with leg extentions and calf work. I think my days of squating may be over. We'll see. This shouldn't affect my other workouts, I just have to be careful and take care of this. It sucks none the less.

  5. Monday... Up another pound. BP unchanged. No sides. Day 2 at 160mg. I think the idea of dosing at 1mg/lb of bodyweight might have some merrit. I'd be curious to know your thoughts on this so far Sldge,if you are following this. I'm taking today off except for cardio. Want to give the back some rest.I should be OK in a couple days.

    I would also like some opinions on how to incorperate the M5AA into this. Tomorow will be 2 weeks and I was thinking of not going longer than 4 weeks. I was wondering if it would make any diference if I Ran the two together for the last 2 weeks, or If I just ran the M5AA alone for the last 2 weeks.Any opinions?
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  6. Question


    Is anyone still following this, or does nobody care anymore??

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Lean One
    Is anyone still following this, or does nobody care anymore??
    I'm reading it man. Keep it up in the name of science.

  8. OK Thanks.

  9. at that dose with no monumental changes............i officially no longer care

  10. How many lbs are you up in total?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by size
    How many lbs are you up in total?
    4lbs. I know it doesn't sound like much,but I think that is partly due to the fact that my starting dose was so low. I think I started to get to an effective dose around 120mg. Ive been doing 160mg for a couple days and I think it's making a diference. Sill no sides. I'll stay here for 1 more day, Then it's up to 200. That's where I'm drawing the line. If I like what 200mg is doing then I might stay there for a week before I add the M5AA.

  12. Are you noticing any sides at that high a dose?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by VanillaGorilla
    Are you noticing any sides at that high a dose?
    To my suprise(and probably a few others), ZERO sides. No bloat, Nips feel totaly normal, and my Blood pressure is unchanged since the start of the cycle.(avg. 135/70)

  14. Methyl 4Ad shouldn't cause hairloss right?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Deoudes59
    Methyl 4Ad shouldn't cause hairloss right?
    No. 4AD does not convert to dht. This hasn't been a problem for me either.

  16. Thanks for being so patient with the dosing, I wasnt goingto be like VPX and have everyone start using 250mg twice a day. That is just too much.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Designer Supps
    Thanks for being so patient with the dosing, I wasnt goingto be like VPX and have everyone start using 250mg twice a day. That is just too much.
    I hear you.Do you have any suggestions on how to incorporate the M5AA? My plan is to see what 200mg/day will do and then add the M5AA along with it at 30mg/day. By then I should have less that 2 weeks left of M4AD at 200mg. I will use the M5AA at 30mg/day till the bottle's empty. If you have other ideas let me know.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Lean One
    No. 4AD does not convert to dht. This hasn't been a problem for me either.

    But methyl test does (17 methyl DHT to be exact). If you take enough it can easily be a problem to those already prone to MPB.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by Lean One
    I hear you.Do you have any suggestions on how to incorporate the M5AA? My plan is to see what 200mg/day will do and then add the M5AA along with it at 30mg/day. By then I should have less that 2 weeks left of M4AD at 200mg. I will use the M5AA at 30mg/day till the bottle's empty. If you have other ideas let me know.
    Please tell me your not going to use M5AA and M4AD together.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    But methyl test does (17 methyl DHT to be exact). If you take enough it can easily be a problem to those already prone to MPB.
    That's true. All I'm saying is that This hasn't been a problem so far,and I do have a slowly receeding hairline. Just trying to convey my experience here. Everybody is diferent.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    Please tell me your not going to use M5AA and M4AD together.
    Like I said, I am open to suggestions on this one. I'm well aware of the taboo of stacking methyls. I don't mean to minimize the risk. What I would like to know, is what would a veteran AAS user do If he were running a cycle like this of the equivilent steroids. I want to know if I drop the 4AD and start M5AA by itself, will it affect my gains at all at the end of the cycle? If there is no diference, I'll just finish the M4AD at 200/day (mabey higher) and then start the M5AA olone for 2 weeks.

    I'm asking for advice here Bobo. I just want to use these in the best manner possible.
    Last edited by Lean One; 01-20-2004 at 10:50 AM.

  22. The best manner possible is not doing what your doing. Your beta testing for someone else so bascially this cycle is not "for you". Stacking methyls is dumb (sorry, no other way to put it). You seem so desperate to get some sort of gains your willing to increase doses beyond what most people would use and also stack another methyl. If that doesn't tell you something, nothing will. You are being to impatient. You are beta testing for someone else. Stacking other products when you havne';t even finished the first one will alter your results and not give an accurate log. Just chill out and finish the M4AD first.

    If your bent on using both, use the M4AD until you finish your beta testing then start on the M5AA. I suggest getting some trandersmal 4AD for that M5AA (unless your beta testing that one also ). In that case then you should do PCT, recovery then beta test the M5AA to get accurate results. Running it right after you just finished something else won't give an accurate log IMO.

    A vet wouldn't run a cyucle like this at all because a vet would never use methyl test to being with (you said eqivalent). He would never stack orals and would probably run one oral for 4 weeks to kickstart the cycle.
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  23. Thanks Bobo. I'll run the M4AD alone til it's gone. Going up to 200mg tomorrow. I don't know if I will go any higher. At that rate, 1 bottle will last only 5 days. I have 2 and 1/2 left. I think for me, 200 will do the trick. I'm up 4lbs now. If I keep gaining slow and steady like this, I could be up 8 to 10 lbs by the end. Thats not too bad all things considered. I'm not testing the M5AA so I'll use it for a couple weeks as soon as the M4AD is finished. I'm hoping it will help me hold onto my gains while I increase the cardio to carve up the abs. Thanks for the advice.

  24. OK, Today is the official 2 week mark. I'm up 4.5 lbs. Actually I think it's more like a solid 5lb gain,because I have been doubling up on cardio doing close to 2 hrs a day witch is making my abs and obliques come in nice now. It is also worth mentioning that 3 of theese pounds have come over the last 5 days witch is when I stared dosing at 160mg and up. I think most of the first week was wasted on an inadequate dose. Going up to 200 today. So far, still ZERO negative sides. The acne isn't even that bad. At 200mg/day I have a little under 2 weeks left. I'll probably stay at 200 until it's gone. I think I could end up with some decent gains here by the time this is over. I'd be curious to see what would happen if someone else used this and started at the 1mg/lb dose. That could prove to be intresting. Just be prepared to lay out some ca$h. Mabey Sldge would be willing to provide an ample supply to a willing guinnea pig.

  25. I am working on changing the dose of mg per ml. This way you will get more out of the bottle. I really think that the conversion to methyltest isnt that good and that most of these results are coming from intrinsic value of M4AD. Lets pretend that there is a 15% conversion to methyltest, leaving 85% unconverted, and still active. If 75% of the remaining 85% were active that might explain why you are getting normal results not typically seen with MT. At 200mg per daythe acne should be out of control and there should definetly be estrogen related sides, more then what normal 4 ad would be producing. If you want to extend the cycle length I ll send you 2 more bottles which should give you enough for 2 extra weeks. Let me know.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Designer Supps
    I am working on changing the dose of mg per ml. This way you will get more out of the bottle. I really think that the conversion to methyltest isnt that good and that most of these results are coming from intrinsic value of M4AD. Lets pretend that there is a 15% conversion to methyltest, leaving 85% unconverted, and still active. If 75% of the remaining 85% were active that might explain why you are getting normal results not typically seen with MT. At 200mg per daythe acne should be out of control and there should definetly be estrogen related sides, more then what normal 4 ad would be producing. If you want to extend the cycle length I ll send you 2 more bottles which should give you enough for 2 extra weeks. Let me know.
    I totally agree with everything you just said. I've been thinking the same thing. I just may take you up on that offer. I'll know before I start the last bottle. If I do that, I'll put the M5AA on the back burner. I still wouldn't want to take the cycle out longer than 6 weeks though. I'll let you know.

  27. Even if you have never seen the negative estrogen related side effects -- would it be wise to take an anti-e while on M4AD? Or will it be safe without?

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Deoudes59
    Even if you have never seen the negative estrogen related side effects -- would it be wise to take an anti-e while on M4AD? Or will it be safe without?
    That's part of what we are trying to figure out. My guess is no, but that is just my experience. I could ba a lucky one that is less sensitive to the sides.Somebody else might be more sensitive or have pre-existing issues that would warrant the use of an ante E . So far all I can say is that this compound hasn't acted the way I or others have expected it to. My gains so far have been lean and bloat free. Good quality gains.

  29. Thursday morning... I had to double check the scale this morning. 162 Baby! That's 5 solid lbs. Honestly, I was expecting to be down a bit because I've been doing close to 2 hrs of cardio a day for the last 3 days. I'm getting leaner. The fat falls off when I do that. In spite of that, I have gained a half lb a day over the last 3 days. I'm starting to get exited now. I decided to take Sldge up on his offer to send more stuff so I can extend the cycle at this higher dose. If I get enough,(hint,hint) I would like to dose at 250 or so (mabey higher) as long as I still have no sides.I cant wait to see how the gains are in the 3rd and 4th week. This is starting to get good.

  30. Friday... Weight is down a bit. I was expecting that though. It's definitely fat. My upper oblique area is leaning out. This is like the home stretch interms of fat loss for me. I start to get cut at the level of my upper chest and abs, then It continues down til all that's left is a little lower ab, and back fat.My arms are looking more vascular too. That's another sign as well. I'm gonna rest today with the exception of cardio. I'll probably increase calories a little so I can at least hold my weight while I get leaner. I'm determined to keep it above 160. So far so good.
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