Methyl 4AD log

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Lean One
    At 3 mg per 20mg dose? .
    And where are you getting those conversion numbers anyway?
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Lean One
    At 3 mg per 20mg dose? I thought we've been through this. At high doses, E2 would only be a gram or two. At 20 to 40 mg we are talking Micrograms.Hardly enough to cause concern.
    Most woman take about 1-2mg/day of estradiol for HRT. There is one study showing that 17-estradiol was used at 100 g/day. Now thats for woman who have a much HIGHER level of estrogen circulating in their body. You sure there isn't cause for concern?
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  3. Lean One.......good luck and I wish you success.

    However, I hope you are not underestimating the possible negative effects that E2 may exhibit. I know Bobo may come across as being harsh but is trying to warn you and encourage cautious and responsible behavior.

  4. Very true size. Its also because I've experienced the problems of E2 and at the time I was using Letrozole AND Proviron. Techincally I should have had very small amounts of circulating estradiol (in this case 17 methyl E2) and I still formed small pea sized lumps. This tells you just how potent it is. It can easily cause problmems in mcg's. Megadosing Nolva at 80mg/day reversed them 3 weeks later but they will still flare up form time to time when I'm using anything that aromatizes heavily.
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  5. How much E2 are we talking from the M1,4ADD?
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  6. Nobody knows and is the reason why these susbtances should be looked at as AAS. They are PH's creating AAS related metabolites. The only way you can judge is by looking at the target hormone and how much it aromatizes. In this case Dbol aromatizes half of what Methyl Test does but you also have to take into account dosages. The doses that Lean One is using is very tiny. The doses you and Jergo are taking seem moderate. The few peopleI know that used methyl test needed around 100mg/day to get any real positive effect as where D-bol can be anywhere from 20-40mg/day.
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  7. Oh, well I am not looking at it as a PH. That is for sure, I have plenty of goodies on hand if anything bad happens. And I am at 30mg a day.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo

    E2 at a GRAM??? Get a bra.
    That was a A TYPO. I meant to say Miligram. You agreed with my numbers in the 1,4 thread. Why give me **** about this in my thread. GOD! As for my diet, I'm not even going there with you. Its not worth my time. Wanna know what my goals are? To finish my cycle in peace! If you want to know what else, reread my threads.

    Size, I apreciate your concerns.Really. In spite of what Bobo would have you think, I do understand the pathways AND the risks involved. One of the main goals here is to Learn more about this compound in the real world. Thanks.

  9. how is the cycle going

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Deoudes59
    how is the cycle going
    So far after 1 week,these are my impressions...
    It is becoming evident that higher doses than previously thought are needed for a decent effect. On the scale, Ive only gained 2 lbs,but my legs and abs seem more cut and my waist has gone down a half inch.My muscles are definitely fuller so in the mirror I look like I gined a little more. I'm getting stronger and the pumps are great. I will admit that I'm a little disapointed that I havn't gained more weight faster,but I think that's partly due to too low of a starting dose. This is a learning process for me. On a plus side, Even at 60mg/day, I still have no bloat or estrogenic sides. This is suprising to me. I plan to take it up to 80/day today and see what happens. The only drawback so far is having to take more. If someone were to start it at 60 to 80/day they might have a diferent experience than mine. I don't think this is as estrogenic as it appears to be on paper. The seccond week, I will be working up to 100/day. I'm curious to find out when the estrogenic sides will appear.All in all, It's not a total loss yet.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Lean One
    That was a A TYPO. I meant to say Miligram. You agreed with my numbers in the 1,4 thread. Why give me **** about this in my thread. GOD! As for my diet, I'm not even going there with you. Its not worth my time. Wanna know what my goals are? To finish my cycle in peace! If you want to know what else, reread my threads.

    Size, I apreciate your concerns.Really. In spite of what Bobo would have you think, I do understand the pathways AND the risks involved. One of the main goals here is to Learn more about this compound in the real world. Thanks.
    They were theoretical numbers in that thread. Now your going to presume thats what actually going on?

    Diet isn't worth your time? You know this is a BB'ing board right? I mean eating pizza then cutting carbs isn't exactly the best diet to be on when using androgens. If you really wanted to keep an accurate log you would think of diet.

    You do not understand the pathways involved. You don't even come close.

    This isn't "your" thread. This is for all of us. If you wnat to finish it in peace then don't post. You will be asked questions and you will be ciriticized here if people feel your not doing something right especially when someonme is giving you them for free. Get used to it.


    Your statement of of telling people that the estrogenic sides are that much shows your complete lack of understanding of this substance. Your taking 60mg of a PRECURSOR! If it converts at even 50% which would be high your still only getting 30mg of methyl test which is NOTHING!

    I love these people that quote the "real world". Next time people do an assay I'll inform them its in a fantasy world and the numbers should be throw out the window.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by Lean One
    In spite of what Bobo would have you think, I do understand the pathways AND the risks involved. .
    Yeah I would love too someone take 17 methyl E2 in mg's. Unbelievable. Sorry, you don't understand any of the pathways or risks involved. 17-estradiol was used at 100 g/day and thats less potent. I can't imagine mg's.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    They were theoretical numbers in that thread. Now your going to presume thats what actually going on?

    Diet isn't worth your time? You know this is a BB'ing board right? I mean eating pizza then cutting carbs isn't exactly the best diet to be on when using androgens. If you really wanted to keep an accurate log you would think of diet.
    Unortunately, Thats all we have to go on. If you have better information about the "mechanisms of action" of M4AD, I would love to see it.

    As for as my diet, I have an Intrafitt performance nutrition certification. It is tough as hell to get. I do this for a living. The system works. It is solid.So I eat Pizza once a week. So what. You say you are not criticising me,just the compound.That's bull ****! Whatever brightens your day man. This will be my last response to you. I don't have the energy for this **** anymore. It's getting old.

  14. I have told you about the mechanisms of action. Its methylated therefore its metabolites (17 methyl E2 and 17 methyl DHT being the ones to worry about) are things you should worry about. Oh its only mcg's so it won't be that bad! YEAH RIGHT! Its your stuborness thats in the way. I love how I tell you that your gains are probably just increased glycogen storage and you criticize me, then you post the exact same thing over at Avant saying your gains are only increased glyocgen storage. Then you say you want increase the dosage just to piss me off. Like I care what you do! Increase it 200mg/day and see how much I care! Its like I'm talkig to a teenager.

    You say you want to give an accurate log of this substance yet you eat pizza the compensate by lowering carbs the next day? And this is in the first week! So yeah I'm criticizing you. I don't care what qualifications you have. If you don't use them, they mean nothing.

    Yeah it is getting old because when its comes hormones, you don't know what your talking about.
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  15. How is your strength coming along?
    A guy taking 250mg a day -- adding 55?lbs to his bench press.
    solely on meth4ad

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Deoudes59
    How is your strength coming along?
    A guy taking 250mg a day -- adding 55?lbs to his bench press.
    solely on meth4ad
    Huh? where did you hear that?

    Strenght and endurance are slowly going up. I've added 10 to 20 lbs on most exercises.

  17. Check BB.com board, again he was using 250mg -- which is alot

  18. I cheked out that thread.250mg??OMG I thought I would be pushing it taking it to 100mg. Suposedly The VPX poeople have their chemists and nurses working for them, but that sounds insane. If that is how much it takes for a noticable effect then that would surely explain my lack of results with this run so far.Sldge, if you're following this, I would love to hear your thoughts on this.I'm inclined to take it up to 200 for the hell of it because at 80mg today, I've seen no maijor changes.God, at 200mg/day 1 vial would last 5 days. I have tried to keep a positive outlook so far,but this is getting frustrating.This guy said even at 250mg/day,he diddn't have any bloat or gyno. He did have all the same positive effects that I have noticed.O.K. Now I am perplexed. Should I say **** it and ramp it up to 200? At this point I just want to get whatever gains I can off this. I'm already in up to my neck. I may as well come out and say it now. At that high of a dose, it doesn't look like M4AD is Worth it.Alright my rant is over. Any input from Sldge or anyone else that can offer some guidance(even you Bobo ) would be apreciated.

  19. i'd say just read above for bobo's answer(s), but thats just me. i guess he could type it all out again for us, even type it out in the real world.

    taking prohormones in the real world,
    corey

  20. Lean Out, I would be very skeptical of anything VPX says. If I'm not mistaken he's saying that M4AD is better than M1T which I find comnpletey outrageous. Maybe its because they are marketing M4AD hard since not many people have it out and they got their ass reamed for their M1T. They baiscally need something to sell you. I've heard people use much less and get estrogenic sides. You might be a lucky one that isn't sensitive to estrogenic sides. Its different for everyone.

    Truthfully I tihnk sixthsense is complete bull**** artist and liar and has been proven several times. Supposedly he's is around 230lbs at 6-8% bf and he experienced a 50lb increase in strength? Sorry but that sounds a little fishy to me for someone that has trained for so long. I don't get that type of strenght on Tren or Drol over a 6-8 week peroid let alone 2 weeks!

    Did you notice that the major people in that thread work for VPX?

    I say try 100mg, have your Nolva on hand and chalk it up to experience. You still have your M5AA to look forward too.
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  21. Constructive input, anyone?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    Lean Out, I would be very skeptical of anything VPX says. If I'm not mistaken he's saying that M4AD is better than M1T which I find comnpletey outrageous. Maybe its because they are marketing M4AD hard since not many people have it out and they got their ass reamed for their M1T. They baiscally need something to sell you. I've heard people use much less and get estrogenic sides. You might be a lucky one that isn't sensitive to estrogenic sides. Its different for everyone.

    Truthfully I tihnk sixthsense is complete bull**** artist and liar and has been proven several times. Supposedly he's is around 230lbs at 6-8% bf and he experienced a 50lb increase in strength? Sorry but that sounds a little fishy to me for someone that has trained for so long. I don't get that type of strenght on Tren or Drol over a 6-8 week peroid let alone 2 weeks!

    Did you notice that the major people in that thread work for VPX?

    I say try 100mg, have your Nolva on hand and chalk it up to experience. You still have your M5AA to look forward too.

    Thats not constructive? I give up then.
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  23. That 50 lb gain is on a smith machine too, guys get gains like that on machines natural if they haven't been pushing it on that machine.

    Lean, stick it out. You were just testing it, right? No sense risking the sides for a couple pounds, if this stuff isn't working for you then quitting it makes more sense than increasing dose.

    Traps

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    Thats not constructive? I give up then.
    Bobo, you must have posted that while i was typing mine. I never saw it. Having read it now, I thank you for your reply. After the last post, I downed another 40mg to total 120 today. Can you tell I'm getting a little cynical now? I do apreciate your input. Try to understand that this is getting frustrating for me and taking the heat from you has disrupted my vibe. It's not your fault,Thats my problem. Anyway thanks for the reply. Your input has been helpfull through all this.

  25. Sounds good. This is the life of a beta tester. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Look foward to your M5AA. THats should help lighten the mood...
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