Methyl 4AD log

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  1. Ya I like it. I just got back from working out, and I had a great workout. It is only day five and I am getting swole. Even on a complete cutting diet. Everyone is asking me what I am taking.

    For the people I don't know I just tell them Animal Pack. hehehe


    I have told two of my buds from work though.

    But I definately like it so far.


  2. My opinion:

    You need to increase the dosage level. However, as dosages increase so will the possibilities of side effects so be watchful.
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  3. Myself or the other guy?

  4. I am planning on running 10mg M1T and 40mg M4-AD, even after speaking with Chemo about it I just figured "....ahh what the hell!" I want to give it a shot to evaluate the product, see what really happens on it, even with the history of methyl-test in the background. It shouldn't be too dangerous, and it's cheap, although I will go into it knowing other choices are more "efficient". Bobo would just as easily criticize me for it, but he knows I don't really care what his clown ass says, anyway That and I know what it's all about going into it.

  5. imo run it at the dose ur at and see how it goes for at least 4 weeks..let others go for a higher dose .be nice to see a human being show some restrained for science
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by size
    My opinion:

    You need to increase the dosage level. However, as dosages increase so will the possibilities of side effects so be watchful.
    That's what I'm gonna do. it seems to me, that the guys taking M1,4 have already encountered estrogen sides. Jergo is even starting nolva. So far I have experienced ZERO negative sides. I'm not worried about it. I do have nolva just in case.

  7. Well my only side is bloat. He said his nipples are getting puffy, but mine aren't.

  8. Tuesday morning... Weight is unchanged from yesterday,although my muscles are noticably fuller. My legs seem more cut,And the abs are looking a little better so I may have lost a little fat.After yesterdays intresting debate, I've decided to go up to 60mg for a few days to see what happens. By two weeks if the sides are'nt bad I'm going up to 80mg.So for now, it will be 40 in the morning and 20 at dinner.Like I said, aside from a little acne, There have been zero negative sides. Since I am so lean, it should be pretty easy to tell if I get bloated so I will be very watchfull. Wish me luck!

  9. Chest workout was awesome today. Put more weight on the bench.10lbs for 12,10,and 8. Thought the abs were looking leaner,so I took a waist measurement. Down 1/4".

  10. Quote Originally Posted by jweave23
    I am planning on running 10mg M1T and 40mg M4-AD, even after speaking with Chemo about it I just figured "....ahh what the hell!" I want to give it a shot to evaluate the product, see what really happens on it, even with the history of methyl-test in the background. It shouldn't be too dangerous, and it's cheap, although I will go into it knowing other choices are more "efficient". Bobo would just as easily criticize me for it, but he knows I don't really care what his clown ass says, anyway That and I know what it's all about going into it.



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  11. I know most of the time these trials are done behind the scenes first before people will release anything. But if the product dosent work then i wont bring it out and if it dosent work then everyone should know it dosent work. This way hopefully companies like VPX wont be able to just continue to charge wayyy to much for stuff that dosent work.

    I think its working for lean one, although not as strong as other compounds the sides arent there yet which is a good thing. There needs to be som elesser strength compounds as well as strong ones, not everything needs to be at least 10 times more anabolic then methyltest in order for it to be good. Hopefully methyl-4ad has more anabolic value being intrinsic then after being converted and this will keep the sides to a min.

  12. If I may call a truce with Bobo, I'd like to ask an honest question.

    It is understood totally that M4AD is inferior to most if not all other methylated PH's. With that said, what do you see as the correct place in a cycle for M4AD?
    When bulking, I don't worry about bloat at all. I try to look down the road to the final results and I'm sure you can understand this. So do you think this compound has a place in a cycle?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by farmer
    If I may call a truce with Bobo, I'd like to ask an honest question.

    It is understood totally that M4AD is inferior to most if not all other methylated PH's. With that said, what do you see as the correct place in a cycle for M4AD?
    When bulking, I don't worry about bloat at all. I try to look down the road to the final results and I'm sure you can understand this. So do you think this compound has a place in a cycle?
    If I may reply to you since I speak from experience with this. I think this compound can have some value in a bulking cycle. So far, at 60 mg/day I have no bloat or other estrogenic sides. The only drawback is that for an experienced PH user, You need a higher dose. I really don't think it is as estrogenic as people think.I plan to take it up to 80mg in a couple days, and mabey even 100. If estrogen sides are manageable,I want to see how much I can get from this before I add the M5AA. Be patient and follow this thread. I'm trying to answer yours and other questions with this cycle.

    On a side note... I think bumping it up to 60mg is doing me nicely. Things are lookin good in the mirror. Also my waist is down 1/4". Yeah.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Designer Supps
    Hopefully methyl-4ad has more anabolic value being intrinsic then after being converted and this will keep the sides to a min.
    I think this is exactly the case here. This is how I've felt about it all along.

  15. The intrinsic properties extend to regular 4ADne as well.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by farmer
    If I may call a truce with Bobo, I'd like to ask an honest question.

    It is understood totally that M4AD is inferior to most if not all other methylated PH's. With that said, what do you see as the correct place in a cycle for M4AD?
    When bulking, I don't worry about bloat at all. I try to look down the road to the final results and I'm sure you can understand this. So do you think this compound has a place in a cycle?
    I really don't feel it has much of a place at all consdiering you can get a better substance with either one of the injectable 4AD's or transdermal 4AD withouth the risk of liver stress. On top of that the dose needed to get an equivalent effect to that of the other alternatives would require you to have Nolva on hand while as the others you would not since estradiol is fairly weak compared to 17 methyl estradiol. Gyno would be very rare with thjose compared to M4AD if equivalent doses were taken. The take in the fact if you use the other alternatives that allows you to use another methylated susbtance (dienolone, M5AA, M1T, etc...). If you use M4AD you shouldn't be taking another methylated substance. Thats just being careless and unwise unless you lower the doses which then would defeat the whole point in taking them IMO. So after all that the purpose of M4AD for the regular user doesn't seem worth it IMO when there are much better alternatives that will give you better results without the extra liver stress and also more flexibility to use other substances.
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  17. It just makes sense that the methyl will act the same as the Non methyl because it is effected by the same enzymes. Methylating will make the hormone and its metabolites more potent and orally available.

  18. And also more toxic.

  19. Look at D-bol though. I think I'm correct in saying that it is methylated bold. There is no comparison between those two. I don't see how you could expect the 4AD and M4AD to act the same when there's such a difference with other methylated products. I really was hoping that M4AD would end some of the twice a day trans applications and inj's but it may not turn out as such.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lean One
    It just makes sense that the methyl will act the same as the Non methyl because it is effected by the same enzymes. Methylating will make the hormone and its metabolites more potent and orally available.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    On top of that the dose needed to get an equivalent effect to that of the other alternatives would require you to have Nolva on hand while as the others you would not since estradiol is fairly weak compared to 17 methyl estradiol.
    This has not been proven in the real world. Give me some time I'm trying to answer this question. Also, some of us don't want to inject. there are various reasons for this. Mine happen to be a 3yr old daughter and an 8 month old son. I don't want needles anywhere in my house.

  21. The methyl won't act the same. It will less androgenic than its base counterpart. It will be more anabolic just by increasing the potency of tios metabolites. But in this case I would rather use a high dose of the regular 4AD because it will be less toxic and also give better results IMO.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by farmer
    Look at D-bol though. I think I'm correct in saying that it is methylated bold. There is no comparison between those two. I don't see how you could expect the 4AD and M4AD to act the same when there's such a difference with other methylated products. I really was hoping that M4AD would end some of the twice a day trans applications and inj's but it may not turn out as such.
    The difference is metabolites. Thats how potent 17 methyl E2 is.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Lean One
    This has not been proven in the real world. Give me some time I'm trying to answer this question. Also, some of us don't want to inject. there are various reasons for this. Mine happen to be a 3yr old daughter and an 8 month old son. I don't want needles anywhere in my house.
    It converts into methyl test which has been proven. Assays are done in the real world, not a fantasy land.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    It converts into methyl test which has been proven. Assays are done in the real world, not a fantasy land.
    At 3 mg per 20mg dose? I thought we've been through this. At high doses, E2 would only be a gram or two. At 20 to 40 mg we are talking Micrograms.Hardly enough to cause concern.

  25. Yeah we have been throught this and you don't seem to get that if you take such a low dose you won't have MUCH GROWTH!

    I also suggest you look up the doses of HRT for woman and how little estradiol they take.

    E2 at a GRAM??? Get a bra.

    Gee for someone who didn't know the pathways of this drug you seem to know a lot about dosages and what effects they have.

    The dose your taking is so damn small no wonder you lost weight. Your log over at Avant shows your diet to be less than satisfactory if your eating pizza then cutting carbs the next day. What is your goal anyway?
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