Methyl 4AD log

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  1. I was only kidding Bobo, no need to get heated. I have always respected your opinion, you should know that by now.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by bellicose
    There's always a better alternative when your talking about prohormones.
    I don't think he's encountered any side effects yet so maybe the dose is the reason the gains are not as they should be. There are many factors involved.
    And do you want to know why? Because JUST LIKE METHYL TEST, you needed a higher dose to get an anabolic effect. Once the dose was that high the side effects became very bad because it aromatized so heavily into 17 methyl E2 (half of dbol). There are your factors. Care to share any more with me?

    The fact that it is an oral also should be in consideration. Why? Because 17 methylated substances tend to act fast. So when an oral doesn't give me the same results as a NON-methylated transdermal which techincally should take weeks to see results, it tells me something. See where I'm coming from? Everyone understand? Should I post Powerpoint slides?

    You guys are sitting there getting defensive withouth even knowing why this **** happens.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    That substance (AS MOST PREDICT) should be pretty good. Why? Its base structure aromtizes half of what methyl test would (M4AD) so there is a logical basis for its to be pretty good.


    Thats the difference. M4AD doesn't even look good on paper and his first week results indicate that. Thats all I'm saying so why don't you people stop act like I'm criticizing your mothers and take the information for what its worth.
    i'm looking forward to my m1,4 and m5aa cycle coming up. I'll be sure to post a nice cycle log.
    We'll see how your paper info will work out in the real world there bobo

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    And do you want to know why? Because JUST LIKE METHYL TEST, you needed a higher dose to get an anabolic effect. Once the dose was that high the side effects became very bad because it aromatized so heavily into 17 methyl E2 (half of dbol). There are your factors. Care to share any more with me?

    The fact that it is an oral also should be in consideration. Why? Because 17 methylated substances tend to act fast. So when an oral doesn't give me the same results as a NON-methylated transdermal which techincally should take weeks to see results, it tells me something. See where I'm coming from? Everyone understand? Should I post Powerpoint slides?

    You guys are sitting there getting defensive withouth even knowing why this **** happens.
    Your reasoning is perfect, however these substances have not been used before and i like personal accounts. I'm not getting defensive i'm just saying, "how many people have you talked to that have had problems with m4ad?" Answer me that, paper is great but i like real world effects.
    No mas

  5. Quote Originally Posted by sifu
    I was only kidding Bobo, no need to get heated. I have always respected your opinion, you should know that by now.
    I'm not heated at all with you Sifu. I just get irritated when someone can't take criticism of a substance they are using. Its not like I'm saying he's and idiot or something. These logs are for people to see the results of certain hormones and to establish why or why not certain things work. They are for critical thinking just like any other forum. Its my opinion that this substance is not worth it for several reasons. Thats all. The M5AA that he has already has been shown to more effective in the first 5 days by prolangtum and that doens't even aromatize!
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by bellicose
    Your reasoning is perfect, however these substances have not been used before and i like personal accounts. I'm not getting defensive i'm just saying, "how many people have you talked to that have had problems with m4ad?" Answer me that, paper is great but i like real world effects.
    No mas
    Yes they have and yes I know people that have used it. Just because you can't get it through a company does not mean its not available. Its the same thing with M1T. I knew people that used it that got it from China before it was even released to the public. Sledge is doing you a favor by doing it out in the open. This stuff is usually done behind the scense to establish results and to decide whether its going to be manufactured. Thats how M1T was done. I also know people that have used methyl test and would never use it again.Why? It sucks. Any more questions?
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  7. Cool. I didn't think so, but I was making sure.

    I am cool with people criticizing what I am taking. But hey someone needs to be the guinea pig, and the substance looked good to me. But M4AD is another issue for me.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by bellicose
    bobo,
    Let the man finish his cycle in peace. Its too early for you to claim victory and wave the, "I told you so" flag as you laugh at his bloated, gyno ridden body.
    A little encouragement goes a long way
    hahahahahaha LOL that's funny man. Thanks for the support.

  9. Why do you guys even bother arguing with this guy?

    Talk about not being open to new ideas. Maybe he'll revise the Bible while he's at it.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by farmer
    Why do you guys even bother arguing with this guy?

    Talk about not being open to new ideas. Maybe he'll revise the Bible while he's at it.
    And who are you? New ideas? Where is the new idea?


    Just because its new to you doesn't mean its new overall. I hate to break it to you Mr. Sarcastic but the idea of M4ad has been around for some time. Now please take your comments elswhere if you have nothing to add but sarcastic comments.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    Yes they have and yes I know people that have used it. Just because you can't get it through a company does not mean its not available. Its the same thing with M1T. I knew people that used it that got it from China before it was even released to the public. Sledge is doing you a favor by doing it out in the open. This stuff is usually done behind the scense to establish results and to decide whether its going to be manufactured. Thats how M1T was done. I also know people that have used methyl test and would never use it again.Why? It sucks. Any more questions?
    Yes, if these compounds are done behind the scenes then what were the results from m1,4?
    What about 17oh or whatever that stuff that's comparable to anavar?
    What else is on the horizon that we don't know about? Since you know alot more than me please educate me on what's next.
    thank you

  12. M1,4 diol was shown to aromatize more than expected. Ask instyct999 about the other substance. I know he's had many people use it already.

    As for whats next, thats not for me to annouce.
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  13. The purpose of this thread was to find out what happens with this stuff. I happen not to know what it does. If you already know then fine.

    "Something to add to the thread"? Alot of people have tried.

  14. This forum is also for critical thinking. As ADMIN here I should know what the forums are about a little more than you. If you don't want to particpate in a forum that encourages debate then this isn't the right place for you. Maybe you weren't aware of these facts since you only have 10 posts.

    When someone doesn't understand the mechanisms and pathways of how these hormones operate, then it our responsiblity to keep them informed of these facts, especially since the this generation of PH's are very potent.

    Now keep this topic to this log and the substance.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by bellicose
    i'm looking forward to my m1,4 and m5aa cycle coming up. I'll be sure to post a nice cycle log.
    We'll see how your paper info will work out in the real world there bobo
    Then look at Sifu's and Jergo's log. They seem to love it already. You do know that my "paper" info is based on REAL assays right? There is a reason why M1T, 4AD, 1AD, 1-Test and numerous other substances were released. They looked good on "paper" which is basically clincal studies. Many of them aren't even availaible on PubMed. They are old texts from the 50's and 60's done in the REAL world.
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  16. Ya I like it. I just got back from working out, and I had a great workout. It is only day five and I am getting swole. Even on a complete cutting diet. Everyone is asking me what I am taking.

    For the people I don't know I just tell them Animal Pack. hehehe


    I have told two of my buds from work though.

    But I definately like it so far.

  17. My opinion:

    You need to increase the dosage level. However, as dosages increase so will the possibilities of side effects so be watchful.

  18. Myself or the other guy?

  19. I am planning on running 10mg M1T and 40mg M4-AD, even after speaking with Chemo about it I just figured "....ahh what the hell!" I want to give it a shot to evaluate the product, see what really happens on it, even with the history of methyl-test in the background. It shouldn't be too dangerous, and it's cheap, although I will go into it knowing other choices are more "efficient". Bobo would just as easily criticize me for it, but he knows I don't really care what his clown ass says, anyway That and I know what it's all about going into it.

  20. imo run it at the dose ur at and see how it goes for at least 4 weeks..let others go for a higher dose .be nice to see a human being show some restrained for science

  21. Quote Originally Posted by size
    My opinion:

    You need to increase the dosage level. However, as dosages increase so will the possibilities of side effects so be watchful.
    That's what I'm gonna do. it seems to me, that the guys taking M1,4 have already encountered estrogen sides. Jergo is even starting nolva. So far I have experienced ZERO negative sides. I'm not worried about it. I do have nolva just in case.

  22. Well my only side is bloat. He said his nipples are getting puffy, but mine aren't.

  23. Tuesday morning... Weight is unchanged from yesterday,although my muscles are noticably fuller. My legs seem more cut,And the abs are looking a little better so I may have lost a little fat.After yesterdays intresting debate, I've decided to go up to 60mg for a few days to see what happens. By two weeks if the sides are'nt bad I'm going up to 80mg.So for now, it will be 40 in the morning and 20 at dinner.Like I said, aside from a little acne, There have been zero negative sides. Since I am so lean, it should be pretty easy to tell if I get bloated so I will be very watchfull. Wish me luck!

  24. Chest workout was awesome today. Put more weight on the bench.10lbs for 12,10,and 8. Thought the abs were looking leaner,so I took a waist measurement. Down 1/4".

  25. Quote Originally Posted by jweave23
    I am planning on running 10mg M1T and 40mg M4-AD, even after speaking with Chemo about it I just figured "....ahh what the hell!" I want to give it a shot to evaluate the product, see what really happens on it, even with the history of methyl-test in the background. It shouldn't be too dangerous, and it's cheap, although I will go into it knowing other choices are more "efficient". Bobo would just as easily criticize me for it, but he knows I don't really care what his clown ass says, anyway That and I know what it's all about going into it.



    How soon they forget.
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  26. I know most of the time these trials are done behind the scenes first before people will release anything. But if the product dosent work then i wont bring it out and if it dosent work then everyone should know it dosent work. This way hopefully companies like VPX wont be able to just continue to charge wayyy to much for stuff that dosent work.

    I think its working for lean one, although not as strong as other compounds the sides arent there yet which is a good thing. There needs to be som elesser strength compounds as well as strong ones, not everything needs to be at least 10 times more anabolic then methyltest in order for it to be good. Hopefully methyl-4ad has more anabolic value being intrinsic then after being converted and this will keep the sides to a min.

  27. If I may call a truce with Bobo, I'd like to ask an honest question.

    It is understood totally that M4AD is inferior to most if not all other methylated PH's. With that said, what do you see as the correct place in a cycle for M4AD?
    When bulking, I don't worry about bloat at all. I try to look down the road to the final results and I'm sure you can understand this. So do you think this compound has a place in a cycle?

  28. Quote Originally Posted by farmer
    If I may call a truce with Bobo, I'd like to ask an honest question.

    It is understood totally that M4AD is inferior to most if not all other methylated PH's. With that said, what do you see as the correct place in a cycle for M4AD?
    When bulking, I don't worry about bloat at all. I try to look down the road to the final results and I'm sure you can understand this. So do you think this compound has a place in a cycle?
    If I may reply to you since I speak from experience with this. I think this compound can have some value in a bulking cycle. So far, at 60 mg/day I have no bloat or other estrogenic sides. The only drawback is that for an experienced PH user, You need a higher dose. I really don't think it is as estrogenic as people think.I plan to take it up to 80mg in a couple days, and mabey even 100. If estrogen sides are manageable,I want to see how much I can get from this before I add the M5AA. Be patient and follow this thread. I'm trying to answer yours and other questions with this cycle.

    On a side note... I think bumping it up to 60mg is doing me nicely. Things are lookin good in the mirror. Also my waist is down 1/4". Yeah.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by Designer Supps
    Hopefully methyl-4ad has more anabolic value being intrinsic then after being converted and this will keep the sides to a min.
    I think this is exactly the case here. This is how I've felt about it all along.

  30. The intrinsic properties extend to regular 4ADne as well.
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