Methyl 4AD log

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  1. but if all you want to do is pick apart my cycle so you can say you were right,
    Its not like I'm the only one who said this. This is the opinion of Chemo, Pat and most people that know the pharmacology of these susbtances. So your mistaken when you think its just me tooting my own horn. Thats ridiculous.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    I suggest you rethink your attitude towards my post. Picking apart your post? Its called criticism and I suggest you learn to live with it. If you can't, then don't post. I didn't say it wouldn't work, just that overall its not worth it when there are much better alternatives out there with less side effects IMO. Even the people selling it were skeptical. If you have a problem with that then you better get a clue. Don't sit there and tell me its worth it when you don't even know by what mechanisms these substances work. So if you REALLY want me to pick you apart I most certainly will. If not, learn to take the ciriticism of just WHY your getting so little results compared to other substances.

    Jesus its not like I'm ciriticizing you, I'm criticizing M4AD! I didn't know you were so personally attached to it.

    You do know that 17 methyl E2 should cause at least SOME water retention right? Were you not aware of its metabolites? Do you really want to get into this?
    bobo,
    Let the man finish his cycle in peace. Its too early for you to claim victory and wave the, "I told you so" flag as you laugh at his bloated, gyno ridden body.
    A little encouragement goes a long way

  3. **** I hope you guys don't visit my M1,4ADD log.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by bellicose
    bobo,
    Let the man finish his cycle in peace. Its too early for you to claim victory and wave the, "I told you so" flag as you laugh at his bloated, gyno ridden body.
    A little encouragement goes a long way
    What the hell do you people not get? I never said it wouldn't work. I just said there are better alternatives out there considering his first week results (and also considering methyls should act faster than transdermals). I said IF the trend continues as his first week results indicate, its not woirht it IMO.

    "This just seems EXACTLY what you should see from a precursor to methyl test. Its not a surprise that the results seem to reinforce that view."


    Are you people faimilar with the success methyl test has? Its NONE.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by bellicose
    bobo,
    Let the man finish his cycle in peace. Its too early for you to claim victory and wave the, "I told you so" flag as you laugh at his bloated, gyno ridden body.
    A little encouragement goes a long way
    Do not presume to tell what I should or should not do. Like I said before its not just me, its everyone that knows the pharmacology of these substances. Its predicted to be inferior. If you have any more valuable information that can state otherwise please tell us all. If not.....
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by sifu
    **** I hope you guys don't visit my M1,4ADD log.
    Lol...your next(dun..dun.dunnnnnn)
    Joking aside, i hope you guys the best on your cycles. It was a brave act to volunteer to test out these "scary" new compounds as some have called them. Hopefully, they won't turn out to be as much of a failure as some have expected.

  7. I don't find my substance scary. However I don't think I would have done Methyl4AD. But hey to each his own.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    What the hell do you people not get? I never said it wouldn't work. I just said there are better alternatives out there considering his first week results (and also considering methyls should act faster than transdermals). I said IF the trend continues as his first week results indicate, its not woirht it IMO.

    "This just seems EXACTLY what you should see from a precursor to methyl test. Its not a surprise that the results seem to reinforce that view."


    Are you people faimilar with the success methyl test has? Its NONE.
    There's always a better alternative when your talking about prohormones.
    I don't think he's encountered any side effects yet so maybe the dose is the reason the gains are not as they should be. There are many factors involved.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by sifu
    **** I hope you guys don't visit my M1,4ADD log.
    That substance (AS MOST PREDICT) should be pretty good. Why? Its base structure aromtizes half of what methyl test would (M4AD) so there is a logical basis for its to be pretty good.


    Thats the difference. M4AD doesn't even look good on paper and his first week results indicate that. Thats all I'm saying so why don't you people stop act like I'm criticizing your mothers and take the information for what its worth.
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  10. I was only kidding Bobo, no need to get heated. I have always respected your opinion, you should know that by now.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by bellicose
    There's always a better alternative when your talking about prohormones.
    I don't think he's encountered any side effects yet so maybe the dose is the reason the gains are not as they should be. There are many factors involved.
    And do you want to know why? Because JUST LIKE METHYL TEST, you needed a higher dose to get an anabolic effect. Once the dose was that high the side effects became very bad because it aromatized so heavily into 17 methyl E2 (half of dbol). There are your factors. Care to share any more with me?

    The fact that it is an oral also should be in consideration. Why? Because 17 methylated substances tend to act fast. So when an oral doesn't give me the same results as a NON-methylated transdermal which techincally should take weeks to see results, it tells me something. See where I'm coming from? Everyone understand? Should I post Powerpoint slides?

    You guys are sitting there getting defensive withouth even knowing why this **** happens.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    That substance (AS MOST PREDICT) should be pretty good. Why? Its base structure aromtizes half of what methyl test would (M4AD) so there is a logical basis for its to be pretty good.


    Thats the difference. M4AD doesn't even look good on paper and his first week results indicate that. Thats all I'm saying so why don't you people stop act like I'm criticizing your mothers and take the information for what its worth.
    i'm looking forward to my m1,4 and m5aa cycle coming up. I'll be sure to post a nice cycle log.
    We'll see how your paper info will work out in the real world there bobo

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    And do you want to know why? Because JUST LIKE METHYL TEST, you needed a higher dose to get an anabolic effect. Once the dose was that high the side effects became very bad because it aromatized so heavily into 17 methyl E2 (half of dbol). There are your factors. Care to share any more with me?

    The fact that it is an oral also should be in consideration. Why? Because 17 methylated substances tend to act fast. So when an oral doesn't give me the same results as a NON-methylated transdermal which techincally should take weeks to see results, it tells me something. See where I'm coming from? Everyone understand? Should I post Powerpoint slides?

    You guys are sitting there getting defensive withouth even knowing why this **** happens.
    Your reasoning is perfect, however these substances have not been used before and i like personal accounts. I'm not getting defensive i'm just saying, "how many people have you talked to that have had problems with m4ad?" Answer me that, paper is great but i like real world effects.
    No mas

  14. Quote Originally Posted by sifu
    I was only kidding Bobo, no need to get heated. I have always respected your opinion, you should know that by now.
    I'm not heated at all with you Sifu. I just get irritated when someone can't take criticism of a substance they are using. Its not like I'm saying he's and idiot or something. These logs are for people to see the results of certain hormones and to establish why or why not certain things work. They are for critical thinking just like any other forum. Its my opinion that this substance is not worth it for several reasons. Thats all. The M5AA that he has already has been shown to more effective in the first 5 days by prolangtum and that doens't even aromatize!
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by bellicose
    Your reasoning is perfect, however these substances have not been used before and i like personal accounts. I'm not getting defensive i'm just saying, "how many people have you talked to that have had problems with m4ad?" Answer me that, paper is great but i like real world effects.
    No mas
    Yes they have and yes I know people that have used it. Just because you can't get it through a company does not mean its not available. Its the same thing with M1T. I knew people that used it that got it from China before it was even released to the public. Sledge is doing you a favor by doing it out in the open. This stuff is usually done behind the scense to establish results and to decide whether its going to be manufactured. Thats how M1T was done. I also know people that have used methyl test and would never use it again.Why? It sucks. Any more questions?
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  16. Cool. I didn't think so, but I was making sure.

    I am cool with people criticizing what I am taking. But hey someone needs to be the guinea pig, and the substance looked good to me. But M4AD is another issue for me.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by bellicose
    bobo,
    Let the man finish his cycle in peace. Its too early for you to claim victory and wave the, "I told you so" flag as you laugh at his bloated, gyno ridden body.
    A little encouragement goes a long way
    hahahahahaha LOL that's funny man. Thanks for the support.

  18. Why do you guys even bother arguing with this guy?

    Talk about not being open to new ideas. Maybe he'll revise the Bible while he's at it.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by farmer
    Why do you guys even bother arguing with this guy?

    Talk about not being open to new ideas. Maybe he'll revise the Bible while he's at it.
    And who are you? New ideas? Where is the new idea?


    Just because its new to you doesn't mean its new overall. I hate to break it to you Mr. Sarcastic but the idea of M4ad has been around for some time. Now please take your comments elswhere if you have nothing to add but sarcastic comments.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    Yes they have and yes I know people that have used it. Just because you can't get it through a company does not mean its not available. Its the same thing with M1T. I knew people that used it that got it from China before it was even released to the public. Sledge is doing you a favor by doing it out in the open. This stuff is usually done behind the scense to establish results and to decide whether its going to be manufactured. Thats how M1T was done. I also know people that have used methyl test and would never use it again.Why? It sucks. Any more questions?
    Yes, if these compounds are done behind the scenes then what were the results from m1,4?
    What about 17oh or whatever that stuff that's comparable to anavar?
    What else is on the horizon that we don't know about? Since you know alot more than me please educate me on what's next.
    thank you

  21. M1,4 diol was shown to aromatize more than expected. Ask instyct999 about the other substance. I know he's had many people use it already.

    As for whats next, thats not for me to annouce.
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  22. The purpose of this thread was to find out what happens with this stuff. I happen not to know what it does. If you already know then fine.

    "Something to add to the thread"? Alot of people have tried.

  23. This forum is also for critical thinking. As ADMIN here I should know what the forums are about a little more than you. If you don't want to particpate in a forum that encourages debate then this isn't the right place for you. Maybe you weren't aware of these facts since you only have 10 posts.

    When someone doesn't understand the mechanisms and pathways of how these hormones operate, then it our responsiblity to keep them informed of these facts, especially since the this generation of PH's are very potent.

    Now keep this topic to this log and the substance.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by bellicose
    i'm looking forward to my m1,4 and m5aa cycle coming up. I'll be sure to post a nice cycle log.
    We'll see how your paper info will work out in the real world there bobo
    Then look at Sifu's and Jergo's log. They seem to love it already. You do know that my "paper" info is based on REAL assays right? There is a reason why M1T, 4AD, 1AD, 1-Test and numerous other substances were released. They looked good on "paper" which is basically clincal studies. Many of them aren't even availaible on PubMed. They are old texts from the 50's and 60's done in the REAL world.
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