Methyl 4AD log

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  1. With these fast acting methyls I don't think youre necessarily getting placeboed out. I'm a very hard gainer and after only 2 days of M1T I gained 3 pounds on my first cycle. I kept doubting it but the scale just kept going up over the period of 7 days.


  2. heating on the stove in a water bath is a better idea then the microwave. but I have used both and havent had any problems with the microwave.
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  3. Got Mine


    Hey,
    I got my package from designer supps today M4AD & M5AA. It arrived fast! I am going to post a cycle log. However i started my post cycle last week. I did 2on/2off/3on M1T and now almost a week into some nolva.

    I am mulling it over. I like how you are testing the M4AD alone. I am considering that option. Anyway i will post my results in the cycle log.

    Thanks to designersupps.com

  4. Quote Originally Posted by bioman
    With these fast acting methyls I don't think youre necessarily getting placeboed out. I'm a very hard gainer and after only 2 days of M1T I gained 3 pounds on my first cycle. I kept doubting it but the scale just kept going up over the period of 7 days.
    I hope you're right man.I was going to ask if anyone that had experience with d-bol, or any other oral how long they take to kick in. In the past, transdermal cycles used to kick in quick for me. After a day or two, I would usually gain a pound a day till I hit 10 or so. I'm up half a pound tonight after work. usually my weight at that time is the same as in the morning. Besides the acne warnings, It's hard to "feel" anything. I'm eating pizza tomorrow so that will bump up my weight. I won't be able to say definitively that I gained anything till sunday.We'll see.

  5. Saturday morning... Back/bi workout was awesome. Added 10lbs to my back movements and did a few extra sets. I felt like I could go on forever. Killer pump too. The pizza put 2 lbs on me. Usually my weight goes back to normal by sunday morning so we'll see what happens. I'm thinking about sex a lot.Mrs. Lean One is in for it. So far so good.

  6. Sunday morning... Up 1lb from friday morning. I purposefully kept carbs low yesterday except PWO to insure I would drop the water from the pizza. I ate clean yesterday, so I'm considering this a solid gain.Today is legs, so I'll get plenty of carbs During and PWO. I'll keep carbs moderate the rest of the day.I'm hopeful I will pick up another pound by tomorow morning.

  7. Just finished legs.Put 20lbs on the squat.OMG the pump!

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Lean One
    Just finished legs.Put 20lbs on the squat.OMG the pump!
    what were you squatting before? How many reps is that for?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by bellicose
    what were you squatting before? How many reps is that for?
    Before, 180 now 200. Understand that these are ass to ground squats.None of that quarter rep crap. Oh yeah, I took a BP reading today. Average of three readings 130/78 Still in acceptable range.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Lean One
    Before, 180 now 200. Understand that these are ass to ground squats.None of that quarter rep crap. Oh yeah, I took a BP reading today. Average of three readings 130/78 Still in acceptable range.
    how many reps was this for? I'm just trying to guage where you're coming from and how far you've come.


    I don't think its polite that you pick on my partial squats. Don't knock it if ya can't understand it, and/or do it. Load the bar with 200 and i'll do 50 squats with it. Heck, i'd do front squats with that weight if ya wanted. Then i'd press it overhead for a couple reps.
    Last edited by bellicose; 01-11-2004 at 07:49 PM.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by bellicose
    how many reps was this for? I'm just trying to guage where you're coming from and how far you've come.


    I don't think its polite that you pick on my partial squats. Don't knock it if ya can't understand it, and/or do it. Load the bar with 200 and i'll do 50 squats with it. Heck, i'd do front squats with that weight if ya wanted. Then i'd press it overhead for a couple reps.
    Sorry, Forgot to say how many reps. I usually work in the 8 to 12 range. I figured I would just do 1 or 2 sets 8 to 10 reps. It took 3 warmup sets to get to 200 and I did 3 work sets 12 reps each set. I diddn't mean to knock half reps, I have squated 350 in the past,but I found I got much better results doing full deep squats. That's just me though. some of my best gains the last year or so have been in my legs.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Lean One
    Sorry, Forgot to say how many reps. I usually work in the 8 to 12 range. I figured I would just do 1 or 2 sets 8 to 10 reps. It took 3 warmup sets to get to 200 and I did 3 work sets 12 reps each set. I diddn't mean to knock half reps, I have squated 350 in the past,but I found I got much better results doing full deep squats. That's just me though. some of my best gains the last year or so have been in my legs.
    Good to see that you're gaining off the m-4ad.
    Sorry about getting on ya, thought you were knocking my partials. Deep squats are a killer, especially front squats.
    20 rep front squats will make me puke every time, best pump i've ever gotten in my legs.

  13. No problemo man.
    Monday morning... Up another pound. Things are looking good. I Thought there would be more of a CNS effect in terms of mood and libido, But It hasn't even been a week so we"ll see. Legs are a little sore,but not too bad.

  14. Most of your progress is probably all estrogen and water related. Like I said over at Avant of many other threads you have to look at this compound as if its methyl test. You need high doses for it to really be effective but along with that comes many more side effects. Its not very practical. Just from the start it sounds this compound is not very good (not even close to M1T which doesn't even aromatize!)
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    Most of your progress is probably all estrogen and water related. Like I said over at Avant of many other threads you have to look at this compound as if its methyl test. You need high doses for it to really be effective but along with that comes many more side effects. Its not very practical. Just from the start it sounds this compound is not very good (not even close to M1T which doesn't even aromatize!)
    You may be right Bobo.Mabey not. That's why I'm gonna see it through and find out one way or the other. I see your concerns in regard to estrogen. However, So far my muscles are feeling fuller, but I can still get my wedding band off. This is a good indicator of water retention for me. My blood pressure is also still well within normal for me.You may not like to hear this,but I've been toying with the Idea of doubling the dose at two weeks unless I put on 10 more pounds by then. Believe me, I'm keeping a close watch for signs of exessive bloating or gyno. If they come up, I'll use nolva and or reduce the dose.Listen, I don't care if the gains are all water and I piss them away a week after the cycle.My primary purpose is to test this objectively and see if it is worthwhile or not. A lot of guys want to know. I will be very open and honest about the experience as I have so far.I apreciate your concerns. I just feel diferently about it.So far I like it.We'll see what happens.

  16. Your results are telling the story, not my opinion. My opinion is just interpreting the results and to me it doesn't work that well compared to whats available. With what you report you could of experiences better results with a moderate dose of 4AD transdermal without any of the methylated health concerns. And after all that, it seems to resemble methyl test more and more. You need high doses to achieve results which usually correspond to worse side effects not to mention the increased stress on your liver. I just don't tihnk its worth it even if I did get it for free. I would rather use M5AA with 4AD.
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  17. Lets see. Results? It's only been 5 days and I'm up 2lbs,increased strength,greater endurance,Moderate libido boost, and elevated mood. I'll take that. Even if it takes 60 or 80 mg , if the sides are managable, then the only drawback will be the need for a higher dose. Yes, I know the liver issues. That's a whole "nother debate. There are worse things I could do to my liver. I'm taking the nessesary precautions.

  18. That can easily be had with a small to moderate transdermal dose. People have gained 5lbs in a week easily on M1T and that doiesn't even aromatize (meaning its not all water weight). What does that say? Its about the saem as moderate dose of 4AD transdermal with more side effects and liver stress. Yeah, your results tell a nice story.

    What cycles have you done for comparison? I'm curious to see because truthfully 2lbs is not much at all. I can get that from creatine.


    This just seems EXACTLY what you should see from a precursor to methyl test. Its not a surprise that the results seem to reinforce that view.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    That can easily be had with a small to moderate transdermal dose. People have gained 5lbs in a week easily on M1T and that doiesn't even aromatize (meaning its not all water weight). What does that say? Its about the saem as moderate dose of 4AD transdermal with more side effects and liver stress. Yeah, your results tell a nice story.

    What cycles have you done for comparison? I'm curious to see because truthfully 2lbs is not much at all. I can get that from creatine.


    This just seems EXACTLY what you should see from a precursor to methyl test. Its not a surprise that the results seem to reinforce that view.
    God give me a f*cking break man. It's only been 5 days.You and others told me to give it a week to realy kick in. As far as 1test goes I f*cking hate it.No gains are worth feeling like **** all the time.Also, 4AD alone transdermaly gave me about the same gains that I have already upon completion of a cycle.I always liked to use fina transdermally with 4AD,and that used to kick in quick every cycle. Always good for 10 lbs.You just can't compare M1T to M4AD.Totally diferent animals.Lastly, It seems to me that you are taking great joy in raining on my parade.Here and at AL. I apreciate your input, but if all you want to do is pick apart my cycle so you can say you were right,then all I ask is that you save it for the end of the cycle. Thanks.

  20. I suggest you rethink your attitude towards my post. Picking apart your post? Its called criticism and I suggest you learn to live with it. If you can't, then don't post. I didn't say it wouldn't work, just that overall its not worth it when there are much better alternatives out there with less side effects IMO. Even the people selling it were skeptical. If you have a problem with that then you better get a clue. Don't sit there and tell me its worth it when you don't even know by what mechanisms these substances work. So if you REALLY want me to pick you apart I most certainly will. If not, learn to take the ciriticism of just WHY your getting so little results compared to other substances.

    Jesus its not like I'm ciriticizing you, I'm criticizing M4AD! I didn't know you were so personally attached to it.

    You do know that 17 methyl E2 should cause at least SOME water retention right? Were you not aware of its metabolites? Do you really want to get into this?
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  21. but if all you want to do is pick apart my cycle so you can say you were right,
    Its not like I'm the only one who said this. This is the opinion of Chemo, Pat and most people that know the pharmacology of these susbtances. So your mistaken when you think its just me tooting my own horn. Thats ridiculous.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    I suggest you rethink your attitude towards my post. Picking apart your post? Its called criticism and I suggest you learn to live with it. If you can't, then don't post. I didn't say it wouldn't work, just that overall its not worth it when there are much better alternatives out there with less side effects IMO. Even the people selling it were skeptical. If you have a problem with that then you better get a clue. Don't sit there and tell me its worth it when you don't even know by what mechanisms these substances work. So if you REALLY want me to pick you apart I most certainly will. If not, learn to take the ciriticism of just WHY your getting so little results compared to other substances.

    Jesus its not like I'm ciriticizing you, I'm criticizing M4AD! I didn't know you were so personally attached to it.

    You do know that 17 methyl E2 should cause at least SOME water retention right? Were you not aware of its metabolites? Do you really want to get into this?
    bobo,
    Let the man finish his cycle in peace. Its too early for you to claim victory and wave the, "I told you so" flag as you laugh at his bloated, gyno ridden body.
    A little encouragement goes a long way

  23. **** I hope you guys don't visit my M1,4ADD log.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by bellicose
    bobo,
    Let the man finish his cycle in peace. Its too early for you to claim victory and wave the, "I told you so" flag as you laugh at his bloated, gyno ridden body.
    A little encouragement goes a long way
    What the hell do you people not get? I never said it wouldn't work. I just said there are better alternatives out there considering his first week results (and also considering methyls should act faster than transdermals). I said IF the trend continues as his first week results indicate, its not woirht it IMO.

    "This just seems EXACTLY what you should see from a precursor to methyl test. Its not a surprise that the results seem to reinforce that view."


    Are you people faimilar with the success methyl test has? Its NONE.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by bellicose
    bobo,
    Let the man finish his cycle in peace. Its too early for you to claim victory and wave the, "I told you so" flag as you laugh at his bloated, gyno ridden body.
    A little encouragement goes a long way
    Do not presume to tell what I should or should not do. Like I said before its not just me, its everyone that knows the pharmacology of these substances. Its predicted to be inferior. If you have any more valuable information that can state otherwise please tell us all. If not.....
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by sifu
    **** I hope you guys don't visit my M1,4ADD log.
    Lol...your next(dun..dun.dunnnnnn)
    Joking aside, i hope you guys the best on your cycles. It was a brave act to volunteer to test out these "scary" new compounds as some have called them. Hopefully, they won't turn out to be as much of a failure as some have expected.

  27. I don't find my substance scary. However I don't think I would have done Methyl4AD. But hey to each his own.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    What the hell do you people not get? I never said it wouldn't work. I just said there are better alternatives out there considering his first week results (and also considering methyls should act faster than transdermals). I said IF the trend continues as his first week results indicate, its not woirht it IMO.

    "This just seems EXACTLY what you should see from a precursor to methyl test. Its not a surprise that the results seem to reinforce that view."


    Are you people faimilar with the success methyl test has? Its NONE.
    There's always a better alternative when your talking about prohormones.
    I don't think he's encountered any side effects yet so maybe the dose is the reason the gains are not as they should be. There are many factors involved.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by sifu
    **** I hope you guys don't visit my M1,4ADD log.
    That substance (AS MOST PREDICT) should be pretty good. Why? Its base structure aromtizes half of what methyl test would (M4AD) so there is a logical basis for its to be pretty good.


    Thats the difference. M4AD doesn't even look good on paper and his first week results indicate that. Thats all I'm saying so why don't you people stop act like I'm criticizing your mothers and take the information for what its worth.
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