Okay so here is the deal. I have read about some people using dermacrine along if their oral cycles because it would be similar to running test. I haven't seen any concluding info about this stragergy and that is what i am looking for. I will be running bold at 600mg/day and it will be my first bold cycle. I have a load of support supps to keep libido up but if Dermacrine works I will just buy that.