[devious760]

Bout to start my first cycle been researching for about a year been reserching like krazy for the last 2 mounths.. decided to do a cel h drol & episteine cycle a lil stats bout me before I get into this

Age 21
Weight 185
Bf% id say 14-16 %

Cycles going to look like this

Cel h drol 50/75/50/75
Epistine 0/10/20/30/30

Support during
Milke thistle , saw plemeto , fish oil , multi v , some fat loss pill can't remeber name but its famous for loseing stomach bodyfat..and of course u can't 4 git protine shakes..

Pct will consist of

Reversitol
Animal test ( mite not add to pct )
Milk thistle
Size on
Purple wrath
Plasmajet
Lipo 6 v caps
Napalm

Don't know what im doing after pct maybe other cycle maybe not...

How's that look anything I should change ??
feedback would be appreciated

[devious760]

P.s I will preload with hawthorne berry 1 week ahead

[GQNemesis]

for a 1st run at PH, u shouldnt be stacking bro .. i would just run epi solo 20/30/40/40 .. running it alone will give u a good idea for your next cycle which u can then stack the two ..plus by running it alone, you can recover easily during pct

good luck

[RedwolfWV]

Your Hdrol setup makes no sense. And I agree with HQ, you should only run 1 compound on your first run

[GQNemesis]

Originally Posted by RedwolfWV

Your Hdrol setup makes no sense. And I agree with HQ, you should only run 1 compound on your first run

ha i jus noticed his hdrol cycle ..lol@tapering up and down and then again up lol

yo just do either hdrol : 50/75/75/75
or epi : 20/30/40/40

with good diet, it will give you great results

[str1]

Agree with previous posters, run epi solo for a first run. Especially since you said you'll be using some unnamed fatburner along with it, I'm guessing this is more of a recomp cycle than a mass gaining cycle? Maybe you're thinking that you *just* want to run this one cycle, and make it a really good one, so that you get the most out of it, and can continue training clean from then on, but if you ask me you're A] quite young to be using steroids (your natural test levels at 21 are likely damn good), B] this is not likely to be your last and only cycle, if you start out slowly and feel the way your body responds, you could run several milder cycles, with less harmful effects on your body, with more gains.

If however you go all out the first time, the chances are more likely to get you properly shut down, and since your PCT is based on a relatively untested OTC product such as Reversitol (don't get me wrong, I have faith in the product, and am using it now) I'd say the chances of you developing some complications are much greater than if you'd either go for a milder (think single compound, lower dosage) cycle, or even wait for another 2-3 years before trying a steroid.

It would definitely be a shame if you mess up your endocrine system for a few months at this age, when your endocrine system is definitely primed *for* muscle gain and performance increases.

Personally I've run epistane three times now, modestly dosed at 20mg per day, and I've tried pulsing it up to 30mg but the joint creakage got too bad for me. I've had minimal (if any) shutdown in my cycles, and I recovered fully just using resveratrol (high dosed and tapered) and some tribulus as PCT.

Oh and another thing, your spelling is not so good, are you dyslexic? (I hate to bag on people for spelling, but at least to me, a non-native english speaker it took some extra effort reading that..)

Lastly, I'm not trying to condescend or anything, you're a grown-up and you can make your own decisions, and I'm sorry if this isn't what you wanted to hear, but I think it's what you need to hear. Steroids are wonderful things, which definitely can be abused and lead to health issues. Approach them with respect and take good advice you're offered, and you'll be fine (probably better than fine even? ).

Best of luck,
str1

[crazyfool405]

Hdrol 50/50/75/75/75

obviously only go up in dosing if you feel confortable,

PCT loooks good. although i would take all those fat burners out, and add either anabolic pump, or insulean K by nutrabolics and creatine. everything else i feel is way too much.

you can get a nice recomp and gain some weight with Hdrol alone.

STR1 how you liking reversitol? you know we have max out coming out shortly....

[str1]

Originally Posted by crazyfool405

Hdrol 50/50/75/75/75

obviously only go up in dosing if you feel confortable,

PCT loooks good. although i would take all those fat burners out, and add either anabolic pump, or insulean K by nutrabolics and creatine. everything else i feel is way too much.

you can get a nice recomp and gain some weight with Hdrol alone.

STR1 how you liking reversitol? you know we have max out coming out shortly....

I've only been using reversitol now for a few days, since my cycle ended, 1 cap AM, 2 caps PM. I'm still going strong, and it feels great to be free of the lethargy I was feeling during my cycle. Because I'm a big believer in resveratrol I'm also taking in 800mg per day of resveratrol additionally, separated into 2 doses. I am keeping a log in the steroid forum titled "My dbol+epi cycle", I will post me feelings about reversitol there in the future :-)

(Sorry for the hijack)

[devious760]

^^^^^^^^^^
Thanks for the feedback everybody..ill stick with 1 compound..lol and about my spelling im not deslexic when I was typing it I was maad tired but thanks 4 not talking a whole lot of crap cause on other forums people think there "funny" to talk **** which is real stupid..but yea my cycle is going to look more like this now



Either
H drol 50/75/75/75
Cycle support
Muscle milk ( b4 I go 2 sleep )
Fat loss sup (just once )

Pct
Reverseitol (sp??)
Cycle support
Size on ( got 2 half empty )
Purple wrath
Plasmajet ( still new only missing 2 packs )
Napalm

Or plan b

Epistane 20/30/40/40
Muscle milk
Cycle support
(Maybe xtend )

With the same pct as above


Oh yea n thanx str1 for tha knowledge...

[str1]

Now things are looking more solid for you devious.

Btw, to clear up any confusion about "Resveratrol" and "Reversitol", the first is an antioxidant that has some SERM-like properties, and some studies indicate increases testosterone production. The second, "Reversitol" is a proprietary blend of several ingredients designed to synergistically provide PCT, or provide general hormonal support for a favourable androgen:estrogen ratio I suppose. One of the main ingredients in it being the aforementioned resveratrol. Personally I think Reversitol is a good product (at least on paper), and the user reviews I've seen were convincing enough for me to include it in my current PCT.

[CROWLER]

I agree it is looking better as well.

Great advice from the guys above and glad to see you changed it to one PH instead of 2.

I would take out the fat loss sup. Just enjoy the effects of the Havoc by itself. Dman did a good job with explaining some things you had questions about at www.otcpct.com


CROWLER

[crazyfool405]

what kind of cycle is this? recomp? bulk?



i would do plasma jet at night. just for growth hormone releasing properties. and the Icariin...

and ditch the muscle milk.

use a good quality whey and peanut butter before bed.

[devious760]

^^^^

Id say more of a recomp/bulk but more of a recomp..


I don't really "dig" muscle milk mutch never really got into the hype but was just thinking of getting it for its lean properties and for a high carb shakes b4 I go to sleep...I got on whey here ( half but its sumthing 4 now ) if I decided to take that insted it should last..

And about that plasmajet at night ??? Is that a good thing too do ? I herd of one person doing it but ppl told him it wasent good to do it ?

[thaOrleanyte]

yeah a stack of too ''dry'' ph's might not be the way to go. your joints will hate you!

[crazyfool405]

[quote=devious760;1536986]^^^^

Id say more of a recomp/bulk but more of a recomp..


I don't really "dig" muscle milk mutch never really got into the hype but was just thinking of getting it for its lean properties and for a high carb shakes b4 I go to sleep...I got on whey here ( half but its sumthing 4 now ) if I decided to take that insted it should last..

And about that plasmajet at night ??? Is that a good thing too do ? I herd of one person doing it but ppl told him it wasent good to do it ?[/QUOTE

if i had it its what i would do. everyone has their ways about them.