Test E/Tren E/D-bol...cycle

Anamolic08 · 08-23-2008, 06:12 PM

Hey guys. I've got about five cycles under my belt mostly test/deca/anavar/win...

I want to do a real bulking cycle now...this is what I had in mind:

Test E: 600mg/week (1-12)
Tren E: 400mg/week (1-8)
D-bol: 50mg/daily (1-6)

HCG 250x2/week (2-14)
Tamoxifen 20mg/daily week (1-14...possibly 40mg/daily if needed with the dbol and test being stacked) - to prevent gyno.

I also was wondering if it was a good idea to add deca lets say 250 mg/week for weeks (1-9). Would it add to the results? And what would be good to replace the dbol after week 6? possibly anavar for weeks (6-12)?

PCT includes up til 2 weeks of HCG after last injection with tamoxifen being at 40mg for those 2 weeks for sure...then clomid for another two weeks: 300 day 1...100 days 2-7...50 days 8 -14.

Been really trying to make this cycle right...but if the vets here could touch this up to make it a great cycle with little worry of gyno let me know...and would ARIMIDEX play a good role in this cycle instead or in combination with taking the tamoxifen. All the ins and outs on a cycle like this appreciated.

thanks guys,
Anamolic

crazyfool405 · 08-23-2008, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Anamolic08

Hey guys. I've got about five cycles under my belt mostly test/deca/anavar/win...

I want to do a real bulking cycle now...this is what I had in mind:

Test E: 600mg/week (1-12)
Tren E: 400mg/week (1-8)
D-bol: 50mg/daily (1-6)

HCG 250x2/week (2-14)
Tamoxifen 20mg/daily week (1-14...possibly 40mg/daily if needed with the dbol and test being stacked) - to prevent gyno.

I also was wondering if it was a good idea to add deca lets say 250 mg/week for weeks (1-9). Would it add to the results? And what would be good to replace the dbol after week 6? possibly anavar for weeks (6-12)?

PCT includes up til 2 weeks of HCG after last injection with tamoxifen being at 40mg for those 2 weeks for sure...then clomid for another two weeks: 300 day 1...100 days 2-7...50 days 8 -14.

Been really trying to make this cycle right...but if the vets here could touch this up to make it a great cycle with little worry of gyno let me know...and would ARIMIDEX play a good role in this cycle instead or in combination with taking the tamoxifen. All the ins and outs on a cycle like this appreciated.

thanks guys,
Anamolic

ok...................

#1, cycles good, i would do EQ at week 6 and run it to the end
Test E 600mg 1-14
Dbol 40-50mg 1-6
EQ 400-500mg 6-14

#2, Adex .5mg to 1mg EOD while ON. if gyno comes about, or if you just want to run it through out.

#3 i think PCT should be....
1 week after last Shot 2000Ius hCG e3d for total of 5 shots
then 3 weeks of clomid at 100mg per day
and .5 mg ED for the whole 5 week PCT.

#4 nolva and arimidex dont work well together, but on the other hand nolva and aromasin do work well together.

juss my .02

Anamolic08 · 08-27-2008, 04:31 PM

Now I'm considering stacking TestE/Dbol/eq...possibly deca with those three and cut the tren out...think the sides outweigh the results...tried finaplix back when I was 19 and broke out on my face...luckily no scarring but if I had not stopped it could have...plus everything else that can happen...so new cycle I've configured...

testE - 500-600 mg/week
EQ - 400-500 mg/week
dbol 50mg/daily for 6 weeks on
deca 250 mg/week 9 weeks on
switch to anavar/and or winstrol tabs for the remaining 6 weeks...
HCG 250x2/week <--when is the best week to start during cycle?
nolva 20-40mg/daily

think that would be a pretty wicked cycle!

crazyfool405 · 08-27-2008, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Anamolic08

Now I'm considering stacking TestE/Dbol/eq...possibly deca with those three and cut the tren out...think the sides outweigh the results...tried finaplix back when I was 19 and broke out on my face...luckily no scarring but if I had not stopped it could have...plus everything else that can happen...so new cycle I've configured...

testE - 500-600 mg/week
EQ - 400-500 mg/week
dbol 50mg/daily for 6 weeks on
deca 250 mg/week 9 weeks on
switch to anavar/and or winstrol tabs for the remaining 6 weeks...
HCG 250x2/week <--when is the best week to start during cycle?
nolva 20-40mg/daily

think that would be a pretty wicked cycle!

hCG not on cycle,

still use the same PCT i layed out

1 week after last shot
2000ius hCG for a total of 5 shots then
100mg clomid for 3 weeks
and .5 mg adex the entire 5 week PCT

Anamolic08 · 08-28-2008, 11:51 AM

Hey Crazy thanks for the input...
But I've been reading that high dosages of hcg are not good for any given time...and my thing with Arimidex is that it kills my libido for some reason...I've always had good luck with nolvadex...so I'm concerned using Arim/HCG high dosages...plus my clinician is telling me to take the hcg during the cycle, as I've done it pct so many times before...just wanted to change it up. But I will consider it, especially how High I'm going with a COMBINED dosage of several meds altogether. Thanks man!

Anamoli

tnick7 · 08-28-2008, 12:22 PM

Test/EQ/Dbol

EQ needs to be run a while, at least 12-14 weeks.

So:

Test E/C: 1-14 @ 600mg
EQ: 1-14 @ 400mg
Dbol: 1-4 @ 50mg

PCT:

Nolva 40/20/20/20/10
Clomid 100/50/50

Have an AI (letro or arimidex IMO) on hand for bloat)

EDIT: I would also personally run some hCG. Probably Week 6-16 @ 250iu twice a week, but you do not want HCG in PCT

Anamolic08 · 08-29-2008, 02:04 PM

Thanks nick, hey when you mean have arimidex ready in case of bloating...would you take a certain dosage at any given point in time? Also, I always run nolvadex on cycle because of gyno prevention...and from what I know taking nolva and arimidex arent recommended.

As far as HCG this will be the first time I've taken HCG while on, as I've taken it PCT throughout all my other cycles which has worked just fine for me...but will definitely do hcg on this time. thanks for the input.

crazyfool405 · 08-29-2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Anamolic08

Hey Crazy thanks for the input...
But I've been reading that high dosages of hcg are not good for any given time...and my thing with Arimidex is that it kills my libido for some reason...I've always had good luck with nolvadex...so I'm concerned using Arim/HCG high dosages...plus my clinician is telling me to take the hcg during the cycle, as I've done it pct so many times before...just wanted to change it up. But I will consider it, especially how High I'm going with a COMBINED dosage of several meds altogether. Thanks man!

Anamoli

I think using hCG will cause desensitation if used everyday, although i havent seen to many studies with high doses,

your gunna shock your testis with that amount, but a lot of aromatization will occur which is why u use Adex,

if it kills toi much estro and libido becomes a problem, you can use it every other day. so .5mg EOD, but its needed every day while on PCT at .5mgED or 1mg EOD. find the dose that works for you. but ADEX isnt the only choice, u can use 10mg aromasin ED during the whole PCT.

crazyfool405 · 08-29-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Anamolic08

Thanks nick, hey when you mean have arimidex ready in case of bloating...would you take a certain dosage at any given point in time? Also, I always run nolvadex on cycle because of gyno prevention...and from what I know taking nolva and arimidex arent recommended.

As far as HCG this will be the first time I've taken HCG while on, as I've taken it PCT throughout all my other cycles which has worked just fine for me...but will definitely do hcg on this time. thanks for the input.

Arimidex can help with gyno and bloat while on cycle, .5 mg EOD. if u get gyno and need to rid it, trhen do it every day till sympoms dissappear then run it a few more days.

theres also no synergy on running nolva/clomid combo, if i were to do both of them , 1t would be 2 weeks of each starting with clomid, finishing with low dose nolva, and aromasin towards the end of the nolva, finishing a day of 2 after.

an not having hCG in PCT in that long of a cycle is absurd, no benifit, while on,

Why keep turning your testis on when they will shut right back off, they wont forget how to produce. makes no sense.

tnick7 · 08-29-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Anamolic08

Thanks nick, hey when you mean have arimidex ready in case of bloating...would you take a certain dosage at any given point in time? Also, I always run nolvadex on cycle because of gyno prevention...and from what I know taking nolva and arimidex arent recommended.

As far as HCG this will be the first time I've taken HCG while on, as I've taken it PCT throughout all my other cycles which has worked just fine for me...but will definitely do hcg on this time. thanks for the input.

In case you bloat up you could run a low dose of arimidex on cycle to make the gains more dry, say 0.5mg EOD (or something along those lines). You may not need this.

If you are gyno prone you can run nolva on cycle at a lower dose to help you out.

HCG is best on cycle, shouldn't be used in PCT from what I read.

crazyfool405 · 08-29-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tnick7

In case you bloat up you could run a low dose of arimidex on cycle to make the gains more dry, say 0.5mg EOD (or something along those lines). You may not need this.

If you are gyno prone you can run nolva on cycle at a lower dose to help you out.

HCG is best on cycle, shouldn't be used in PCT from what I read.

gyno is caused by high estro, having something that binds to the receptors, but keeps circulating estro, is not something i want to prevent gyno, becuase when you come off its still there. Adex/letro, even any OTC AI will suffice. run it every other day it will keep estro in check as well as bloat in check, and gyno prevention.

im so confused as why people think its necesary to use hCG on cycle, ive read threads, but to tell you the truth,
#1 running it on cycle just for you testis to turn off id pointless IMO
#2 it will lead to more aromitization, for a quicker development in gyno in which case youll absolutly need the ADEX on cycle
#3 Off cycle is best becuase once your testis are on, they stay on , and you continue with therapy to keep it that way.

my .02

tnick7 · 08-29-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyfool405

gyno is caused by high estro, having something that binds to the receptors, but keeps circulating estro, is not something i want to prevent gyno, becuase when you come off its still there. Adex/letro, even any OTC AI will suffice. run it every other day it will keep estro in check as well as bloat in check, and gyno prevention.

im so confused as why people think its necesary to use hCG on cycle, ive read threads, but to tell you the truth,
#1 running it on cycle just for you testis to turn off id pointless IMO
#2 it will lead to more aromitization, for a quicker development in gyno in which case youll absolutly need the ADEX on cycle
#3 Off cycle is best becuase once your testis are on, they stay on , and you continue with therapy to keep it that way.

my .02

adex or letro will lower estrogen in your body. Nolva will block it from breast tissue, so if you are prone to gyno running some nolva is fine, many do.

I dont know much about HCG, but it should be used on cycle. Running it on cycle makes it easier to jumpstart your HPTA after a long suppression. IIRC using HCG produces synthetic LH, when you finish your cycle you want to produce natural LH, but if there is synthetic LH you wont produce it naturally, hence, dont run it on cycle. However as I said I dont know much about HCG, other than it should be used on cycle

holyintellect · 08-29-2008, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tnick7

adex or letro will lower estrogen in your body. Nolva will block it from breast tissue, so if you are prone to gyno running some nolva is fine, many do.

Remember though that arimidex is one step up the food chain than nolva...Arimidex PREVENTS the formation of estrogen from testosterone...nolva still allows aromatization, it simply competes at the receptor site to stop it. Obviously the arimidex is better to use DURING cycle. Nolva certainly works to a lesser degree, but if you want to really combat estrogen during the cycle, it falls short.

holy

Anamolic08 · 08-29-2008, 11:42 PM

But from what I know, the problem with taking an AI during cycle is the fact that it rids the estrogen in your body...and doesn't test correllate with the necessity of a certain amount of floating estrogen in the body? So I assume also taking Adex on cycle will reduce the anabolic effect of the drugs you are taking to make the gains you want...correct me if I am wrong on this.

...and will adex actually break gyno tissue down if has already set in and rid of it?

anamolic