thanks russian, the site seems to have pretty much the designers+otc pct well in hand and many other areas as well, these would give a wide range of nha possibilities. I know some of these are going to be hard to source, others have been in custom blends so dosages may be difficult but would definitely be interesting. Ara is proven to work well stand alone, and I read a few reports of some stand alone du zhong 20% extract that sounded promising, duration was a little short as they were just testing to see if it was even worthwhile. After one has used hormones, it is very difficult to stay away for long after pct completion. These options may encourage people to have more time off which makes for healthier lifestyle, not to mention more productive cycling.