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  1. i prefer clomid over nolvadex.


  2. Well I've been doing some researching and found two products that I am very interested in. Forma stanzol for estro control and also increases igf1 . The other supplement is Forged post cycle by transform supplements. Forged is also suppose to keep estro in check as well and increase natural test. My H-drol cycle will be 50/50/50/50/50/75. Any help is much appreciated.
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  3. Formestane, SNS daa, pct assist, and suppress c is all you need and will take care of everything

  4. ive almost narrowed down my pct. can anyone tell me what the reason to stacking sns daa/animal stack with pct assist when pct assist is already suppose to increase tests?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by biador619 View Post
    ive almost narrowed down my pct. can anyone tell me what the reason to stacking sns daa/animal stack with pct assist when pct assist is already suppose to increase tests?
    don't you want a little more insurance? sns daa + pct assist is perfect imo
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  6. they are both used for the same reasons, to boost test.

    I wouldn't use both at the same time, but when one is finished, begin using the other one, but that isn't really needed, pct assist is enough to get you there.

    maybe if you wanted to, after your 4 week pct plan is done, use a t booster like animal stak or w/e else is popular.

    the daa and pct assist each work by increasing test levels via different means, this is why those two should be stacked together.

  7. Jbry what two products shouldn't be taken at the same time? sns daa and animal stack? So my entire cycle will most likey go like this. Hdrol - 50/50/50/50/50/ (50 or 75 depending. during last week of cycle). Pct - Pct assist, sns daa and formestane. That's from the advice of jbry and from what I read on this site. I have another question.... If Pct assist is suppose to
    Optimize Natural Testosterone
    Improve Estrogen Management
    Improve Libido
    Help Preserve Muscle Gains
    Improve Strength, Recovery, & Lean Muscle
    Ideal for PCT (Post Cycle Therapy) or Natural Testosterone Enhancement Regimens
    Then why not just take Pct assist after my Hdrol cycle and then sns daa after Pct assist? Also a buddy of mine only pct's with trx by ubn an nitric. He claims trx has everything required to keep estro/test/libido in check. Is there any truth in that? I think I've posted about trx before and someone called it bunk and a waste of money I think.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by biador619 View Post
    ive almost narrowed down my pct. can anyone tell me what the reason to stacking sns daa/animal stack with pct assist when pct assist is already suppose to increase tests?
    those two go great together IMO

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  9. daa as im sure you have read, increases test by a different mean than the compounds found in pct assist. so it is just helping to increase your t levels that much more.

    but run the animal stack after you finish those too if you want in order to keep you your t going strong.

  10. Sounds good bro. So how long can I run animal stak 2?
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  11. i believe it comes with 21 packs, so 3 weeks. then give your body a break and roll natural for a while, get used to the new weight.
    no matter what you see, more time off is always better, though it's hard to do. lol.

  12. alright jbry ive almost about ready to purchase my pct supps. i have two options right now and because of you and this forum i would say i have a better grasp of what i should have in my pct setup. option 1 = pct assist/sns daa/formestane and after those are done ill start a cycle of animal stack 2. and if all goes well with animal stack2 then i might just stay on that for a few more cycles, of course with the one week break in between cycles. option 2 is basically just to drop the formestane because pct is already suppose to take care of estro levels and ive read so much about hdrol being very mild especially at just 50mg/day.

  13. flip a coin to decide if your having trouble. it's how my wife an I make all our tough buying decisions. lol.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by biador619 View Post
    alright jbry ive almost about ready to purchase my pct supps. i have two options right now and because of you and this forum i would say i have a better grasp of what i should have in my pct setup. option 1 = pct assist/sns daa/formestane and after those are done ill start a cycle of animal stack 2. and if all goes well with animal stack2 then i might just stay on that for a few more cycles, of course with the one week break in between cycles. option 2 is basically just to drop the formestane because pct is already suppose to take care of estro levels and ive read so much about hdrol being very mild especially at just 50mg/day.
    I would do option 1, but use formestane in low 100mg doses and taper down.

    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    flip a coin to decide if your having trouble. it's how my wife an I make all our tough buying decisions. lol.
    ^that works too.
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  15. How long should you preload your Cycle Support for if your doing a six week cycle at 50/50/75/75/75/75? I've heard 2 weeks before at 4 pills a day, 1 week before at 4 pills a day and ive also heard...Im 24, 5'6" and 180.

  16. what ever floats your boat. if you are healthy, and dont drink on a regular basis, eat a healthy diet, you can start the cycle support the day you start the cycle.

    if you need to get healthy, and clean up your insides, may want to run it a 2-3 weeks out and continue on through the cycle.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Bry17 View Post
    Cycle should look like this then:

    H-drol ~ 50/50/50/50
    Proper supports (preload HB if you want) ~ Cycle Assist - 6-8 capsules a day for entire cycle.

    PCT:
    PCT Assist ~ 4/4/4/4
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    For the extra PCT^ slots I would use a SERM with another test booster. SNS DAA capsules would be my option of choice.
    Regarding the extra PCT slots, you suggest Nolva 20/20/20/20 as a possible SERM?

  18. yup. Nolva + PCT Assist + SNS DAA sounds perfect to me.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by Bry17 View Post
    yup. Nolva + PCT Assist + SNS DAA sounds perfect to me.

    Thanks for the reply Bry17.

  20. So I've finished my first two weeks at 50mg per day and just upped it to 75mg a day. I gotta say im seeing some definite results and Ive gotten some solid strength gains. My weight has gone up to a solid 178-180 for the past week and Its stayed their mostly because Im shredding a lot for fat but gaining muscle at the same time. just did 400 for 6 on squat today and felt great. Im adding my picture from the day before my cycle, after week 1 and yesterdays pic.

  21. Don't mean to hijack the this thread, but i didn't want to make a separate thread just to ask this:
    -About how much mg of fish oil is supposed to be taken in daily during cycle/during pct?
    -Does fish oil/multivits/protein/weight gainer affect H-drol absorption?
    -How many mgs of hawthorn and milk thistle should be preloaded daily?

    Thank you!

  22. Quote Originally Posted by proknight23 View Post
    So I've finished my first two weeks at 50mg per day and just upped it to 75mg a day. I gotta say im seeing some definite results and Ive gotten some solid strength gains. My weight has gone up to a solid 178-180 for the past week and Its stayed their mostly because Im shredding a lot for fat but gaining muscle at the same time. just did 400 for 6 on squat today and felt great. Im adding my picture from the day before my cycle, after week 1 and yesterdays pic.
    cool. let us know how the rest goes.

    Quote Originally Posted by titstatus View Post
    Don't mean to hijack the this thread, but i didn't want to make a separate thread just to ask this:
    -About how much mg of fish oil is supposed to be taken in daily during cycle/during pct?
    im no fish oil fan, but id say somewhere around 3g
    -Does fish oil/multivits/protein/weight gainer affect H-drol absorption?
    no. even if they did, the amount of noticeability is miniscule. protein and weight gainer wouldn't hurt for a bulk
    -How many mgs of hawthorn and milk thistle should be preloaded daily?
    cycle assist has all the supports you need for the full run. 1 bottle at 8 caps a day, or two if the cycle is 5-6 weeks. you can try preloading hawthorne if you want.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by titstatus View Post
    Don't mean to hijack the this thread, but i didn't want to make a separate thread just to ask this:
    -About how much mg of fish oil is supposed to be taken in daily during cycle/during pct?
    -Does fish oil/multivits/protein/weight gainer affect H-drol absorption?
    -How many mgs of hawthorn and milk thistle should be preloaded daily?

    Thank you!
    I am taking fish oil as well as glucosamine to keep my joints healthy. I think its a good idea with the quick gains I'm making during lifting. IM in week three and this is what i do
    Early AM: 50mg H-drol/2400 mg fish oil
    Afternoon: Cycle Assist/ 1500mg Glucosamine, 1200mg Chondroitin
    Dinner: 25mg H-drol/ 2400 mg fish oil
    Before bed: Cycle Assist/ 1500mg Glucosamine, 1200mg Chondroitin
    I'm feeling great, no sides and seeing what I want in my body and my lifts!

  24. well i mean better to be safe than sorry right? and if you don't mind me asking what does the chondriotin do to benefit you during the cycle?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by titstatus View Post
    well i mean better to be safe than sorry right? and if you don't mind me asking what does the chondriotin do to benefit you during the cycle?
    helps with da joints

  26. So im almost done with my cycle, and I was planning on just taking the PCT Assist which ive heard is fine but I also see a lot of talk about Nolva and SNS DAA. Any opinions?

  27. Quote Originally Posted by proknight23
    So im almost done with my cycle, and I was planning on just taking the PCT Assist which ive heard is fine but I also see a lot of talk about Nolva and SNS DAA. Any opinions?
    it's called pct "assist" for a reason...

  28. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    if you had a serm, then that would be all you needed (with pct assist).

    but if you're going to go otc, pct assist, daa, plus topical formestane. cortisol control would be a plus as well, but isn't a must.

    run the daa & pct assist at rec dosing, and the topical formestane at 1 serving per day after you shower. those other two test boosters you listed are junk, and I wouldn't waste money on them, if you already have them, run them too, but if not, i'd recomend animal stak2

    pct assist
    sns DAA
    topical formestane
    test booster (like animal stak)
    that is a otc pct that will most likely get you recovered quickly, with a higher chance of continuing to make lean gains.

    I understand money can be an issue, especially with otc pct, normally I wouldn't recomend trying to do pct with the minimum, but honestly if I had to pick 3, i'd say daa, topical formestane, and animal stak at the bare minimum.
    Fancy meeting you here
    ....thoughts on running DAA thru-out the 4-6 week hdrol cycle (and in pct) to possibly minimize shutdown/recover quicker...?

  29. i dont think using daa on cycle will help prevent shutdown. may help with libido though.
  

  
 

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