Am I good to go? PMAG cycle spreadsheet plan.
- 06-23-2011, 08:26 PM
- 06-23-2011, 08:27 PM
Clomid to be dosed at 75mg for the first 3 days of the first week during pct.
Hdrol is also on the spreadsheet because I have both on hand and was tossing up which one to use, I chose the pmag.
- 06-23-2011, 08:52 PM
At first i thought you were doing both -ha That looks good for a Pmag run
06-24-2011, 04:45 PM
This looks like a legit cycle man. I am running p-mag right now too. I am on week 2 and am already seeing some good strength gains. Keep us posted on how you like it.
06-25-2011, 03:23 AM
any sort of sides so far?
06-25-2011, 12:04 PM
06-25-2011, 09:42 PM
06-29-2011, 03:18 PM
I just started week 3 of my 6 week p-mag cycle and wow! My strength is skyrocketing right now. Size gains have been very good and my workouts have been epic. An hour of H**L everyday (but in a good way). pumps are great and no reported sides. It took about a week and a half for it to kick in but it has been great ever since. Can't wait to see how these next four weeks treat me.
07-01-2011, 08:27 PM
nice, i hope to get a hold of a few bottles of pmag for a run down the road.
07-01-2011, 11:22 PM
07-02-2011, 02:43 PM
07-02-2011, 09:07 PM
Has anyone got any last words of advice? cycle and log will start tomorrow (This thread will become my log)
On a side note Ive been loading cycle assist at 4 tabs twice daily for the past week and a half, I had slight acne on my face and back and right now my skin is almost pefectly clear. I'm definitely going to invest in some pathogenic acid/B5 after this cycle.
This past week Ive been making a real effort to get more calories in so that the increase in food isnt as hard to take once I start the pmag, I've put on about 1kg in the past 7 days so hopefully my calories will be sufficient.
07-04-2011, 12:06 AM
def keep a log in here, i'll be on here numerous times daily to check up on results or questions you have bro.
everything though looks solid and ready to go, time to get your swole on bro.
07-04-2011, 07:31 AM
My workout split is a bit like westside for skinny bastards with a bit more volume because I cant break away from my bodybuilding tendencies. Tonight was heavy upper body and I felt good, my first workout on pmag (75mg)
Floor press 110kg for 6/6/5 with a good pause at the bottom, I was really grinding out the last rep on all 3 sets
Weighted dips 264lbs (bw) + a 45lb plate for 10/10/8/8-followed with some rest pause on last set until I was gone, was really leaning forward and using my chest
Incline flys 25kg dumbells for 12/12/10/8 with 30 second rest periods
Snatch grip high pulls 75kg for 3/3/3/3 short rest periods and really focusing on being explosive with every rep
T bar rows with 5 plates for 12/12 then 6 plates for 8 reps
Seated DB shoulder press with 45kg db's for 8/6/6 good depth on these, I usually use a barbell
Side lateral raise 12.5kg dumbells for 12/12/10/10 paused at the top, really felt good
Overhead dumbell tricep extension with 50kg dumbell for 10/10 then kicked it up to 55kg and did a set of 6 for a pr
Finished off with 50 reps on band pushdowns and then did some stretches. Great workout but obviously I havent felt anything kick in yet, there was more focus and determination just based on the fact that I started my cycle today, and that all the research and time I spent finding sources for this stuff in australia had paid off and I was finally getting started.
Its heavy lower body tomorrow, I'll post some more info on my diet up with some photos then as well.
07-04-2011, 01:58 PM
yea, you wont feel anything yet, but just know, as soon as you take it, it turns on all those anabolic process and gets working from day one.
just take comfort in the fact that you know whats going on, and that in time, whats going on at the genetic level will soon be showing through at the physical level.
07-05-2011, 07:29 AM
Just finished my leg workout, did some heavy singles on box squats (4 plates for 6 singles) and then a couple of sets with 450kg on the leg press to failure, drop set on the last. Then did some glute ham raises, managed 3 reps on the first set with my bodyweight and then used bands for assistance and did 3 sets of 12. Did seated calf raises 3 sets to failure and called it.
During the dropset on the leg press I was seeing stars and I could barely walk afterwards, my head has been aching ever since, I drank about 4L of water today and I loaded my support sups for 10 days, the headache is still with me now and its pretty uncomfortable, hard to tell if its a result of the pmag or the leg pressing but I'm lying down and drinking a ****load of water so we'll see what happens. Any tips for dealing with headaches? would it be worth upping the cycle assist dosage or buying some extra hawthorne berry if this continues to be a problem?
edit - In hindsight it wasnt like the headache slowly built up, I was grinding out one of the last reps of the dropsets and this thing hit me like a fkn freight train. Its improving now, Ive put down about 3L of water in the last hour, I think it was most probably to do with my training.
07-05-2011, 08:24 PM
for me, that head ache that kicks in like a bull buck to the head, usually tells me the compound is working. again, for me once it comes and goes, i dont get it again.
water or course, and if you have any asprin on hand, it'll help too. what i'll do is one capsule of tylenol extra strength with one tablet of buffrin asprin, knocks the head ache right out.
07-06-2011, 05:20 AM
Today was so much better, woke up still with a dull headache and had trouble getting out of bed but it went away as soon as I started downing more water. Had a good day on the food, my diet is basically oats for breakfast and then 4 meals of steak or chicken or turkey breast with sweet potato, 4 peanut butter/honey sandwiches preworkout, train and then more meat/carbs for dinner. I usually eat a handfull of walnuts and a large amount of flaxseed oil before I go to bed (Ive started getting a bit leaner since doing this) I also have 3-4 ~500 calorie shakes spread evenly thoughout the day, with the last one being a slow release meal replacement before bed. So thats what I ate today.
Went to the gym to train my beach muscles haha I dont train my biceps anywhere in my upper/lower split so I put them on a seperate day where I also do forearms and some weight abs excercises. Everything went well, I felt a headache coming on to begin with so I took a couple of asprin and everything went perfectly, the weights all felt light as **** and I was hammer curling the 35kg dbs for a few decent sets of 6-8 before heading into some smaller isolation excercises.
Im going to weigh myself tomorrow, I still feel pumped from mondays workout.
07-06-2011, 06:20 AM
07-07-2011, 09:04 AM
Didnt really record the weights I used today, I was doing lighter high rep upper body stuff. The headaches came back again during a working set of chin ups but I had asprins with me and I got through the rest of my workout. I was shown how to do cleans off the floor today, I usually do them from a hang and I got 225 really easily so I was very happy about that. I love the movement and Im going to concentrate a bit more on it in future. From here on in Im only going to report on the following daily:
-Weight gained since beginning of cycle
-PR's from todays workout
07-08-2011, 12:17 AM
sounds good, yea, makes sense for a spike in bp when working out. I usually just push through the head ache on a work out, and usually it goes away, but those times it doesn't, i have to cut it short and go home for an asprin.
smart that you had them on hand. im gonna have to start doing that.
07-08-2011, 09:16 PM
Did a back workout today, everything felt light as ****.
-Weight gained since beginning of cycle: 4lbs
-PR's from todays workout: Not so much a PR but I did rack pulls from just below the knee with 5 plates for 6 reps. (3 sets) usually I only do one working set with that sort of weight but it felt like nothing. I'll step it up 10kg or more next week. Dumbell pullovers on an incline bench 110lbs/50kg for 10 reps, again I did another set because it felt so easy, will up the weight next week.
-Side effects: MILD headaches, feeling a bit tired in the mornings and have trouble getting out of bed, but I am on holidays at the moment and sleep about 10 hours a night. No acne at all, nothing else to report. Everythings going well and also 4 POUNDS IN 5 DAYS (Ive really stepped up my eating), I cant complain.
07-08-2011, 10:15 PM
how is your sleep? do you take, or have you thought about using a sleep supplement on cycle?
07-11-2011, 09:19 PM
-Weight gained since beginning of cycle: 6.5lbs
-PR's from todays workout: Did front squats last night, 110kg for 3 sets of 6 reps. I haven't done front squats in ages but since doing them last my regular squat has gotten a lot stronger, so 110kg was a PR for me. I went as deep as possible on them too. Followed that up with hack squats, 3 plates a side for 5 sets of 6-8 reps. Then did some ghr, managed 4 reps with my bodyweight then did sets of 12 with some assistance from bands. Then some leg extensions and seated and standing calf raises (3 sets to failure).
My quads feel ruined today, I really want to get some more size on my quads during this cycle. Seeing as I usually squat in a powerlifting style using my posterior chain more than anything else I've been left with a big arse and 28 inch thighs but very little detail or shape in my quads so I'm going to be working on hack squats/leg extensions/front squats a fair bit from now on.
-Side effects: Headaches are pretty much gone for now, I woke up with a couple of zits on my shoulder today, not really worth mentioning but I'll keep my eye on it. Also bought some benzoyl peroxide face cleaning stuff just in case.
New breakfast for extra protein:
6 whole eggs scrambled 36g
1 tin of tuna mixed in with it 16g
1 tomato cut up and mixed through
1 cup of raw oats
1/2 cup whole milk
2 scoops whey 50g
1 scoop waxy maize
500ml whole milk 17g
So meal 1 has about 120-130grams of protein, not sure on the calories but the food I eat for the rest of the day is a bit more calorie dense, 1 day ends up being around 6-6.5k calories
07-12-2011, 10:23 PM
thats good, glad to hear your finally adjusting to the compound. keep up the high protein diet, and hitting those legs hard, they will grow.
07-22-2011, 10:26 PM
I went back to uni last week so Ive got pretty much no spare time now with my studying/training. Ive bought a ****load of protein bars to keep my calories and protein up at uni.
-Weight gained since beginning of cycle: ~11lbs
-PR's: Front squat now at 135kg for a double ATG, Box squat 150kg for 14 reps, T bar row 6 plates for 12 reps. I haven't been able to train my upper body properly for the past week. I had an arm wrestling match with one of my mates and my elbow was aching like crazy for about a week following, Ive been on a high dosage of super cissus rx and also the animal flex and the pain has almost completely subsided. It was an absolutely stupid thing for me to do, I'm never arm wrestling anybody again as long as I live, I did win though haha.
I have still been able to train my upper body with some smaller exercises (lateral raises/band pull aparts/bench dips etc) but I was unable to do pressing movements this last week (I did do some decently heavy DB pressing at the end of the week with little to no pain though so it has improved dramatically). Despite that Ive started getting small stretch marks on my shoulders/arm pits. Ive put on close to 100lbs since I started training 3 years ago and never before noticed any stretch marks what so ever, so thats a bit exciting, especially seeing as I havent been training as well as I could have been the last week and a half.
Next week I up the dosage to 100mg a day and I'll run it like that until theyre all gone then start pct. Also back to my usual heavy routine next week too, so hopefully more results will come. I feel great, no side effects at all now. People at uni have been asking me what Ive been doing/eating and telling me I look bigger all of a sudden so thats not a bad thing either. I'll report back sometime next week.
07-22-2011, 11:47 PM
07-25-2011, 08:06 AM
First day of 100mg and holy **** it just kicked in hard, got on the bench for the first time in a week and pushed out 14 reps with 225 (14,12,10-dropset) with no spotter/assistance at all, even after being exhausted from uni all day that is still 3 reps more than I have ever done before. I suck at benching and my previous max was 11 reps with some assistance on the last 2. The rest of my workout was crazy too, I supersetted pulldowns (whole stack x 8,6,6) and bent over rows (using 120kg x 10,8,8) everything felt so pumped and I just had crazy energy the whole time despite my long day listening to lecturers droning on for 6 hours.
-Probably should have upped the dose sooner but if things keep up like this I'll be very happy
-Only sides are a bit more acne on my neck/shoulders/back, still none on my face. (basically back to what my skin looked like before it cleared up with the cycle assist/not out of control or severe), slight back pumps on the bent rows but I cant tell if its out of the ordinary because I went into that exercise expecting my lower back to blow up but it wasnt that severe at all. Ive been using taurine for the past couple of days before and during training. I also feel a bit hungrier than usual which for me is very good.
Worked out I only have enough pmag to continue for 2 more weeks @100mg, I will probably buy another bottle in order to add another week onto the end (depending on how I feel in a fortnight). So far I have run 75/75/75/100(first day was today)
07-25-2011, 10:38 AM
07-25-2011, 10:25 PM
07-26-2011, 08:59 AM
The initial plan was 6 weeks - 75/75/75/100/100/100 but I only have enough with the 2 bottles I have to run 5 weeks - 75/75/75/100/100. I would like to do 100mg for at least 3 weeks as I planned to initially but will need another bottle to do that.
Would a 7th week be pushing it/unreasonable? I was just considering it because if I have to buy another bottle I would prefer to use all of it instead of throwing half away (although I don't mind doing that if its in my best interests)
07-26-2011, 07:53 PM
it would all depend on how you feel in the 5th & 6th weeks. if you can i'd say go ahead and get another bottle, then even if you dont decide to keep going, you'll have it for down the road.
07-26-2011, 08:18 PM
08-10-2011, 07:19 PM
Alright so my extra bottle didnt show up on time and I'm just going to leave the cycle now at 5 weeks. I hadnt weighed myself since my last post with my weight in it. Ive got to say my diet hasnt been perfect due to the workload with uni and everything however my training has been good. I stepped on the scales at 128kg/282lbs, I couldnt believe what I was seeing haha THATS 17 LBS SINCE THE START OF THE CYCLE, I was ecstatic with that however I'm a bit disappointed with myself for not eating at 100% for a few days here and there. I'll expand on my results in my next post, I have gotten a lot stronger, especially on my big 3.
What I want to know now is how to split up the dosages throughout the day for pct, which starts today. How does this sound?
8am - DAA, PCT assist and liv 52 with first meal, suppress-c after showering, 4 tabs cycle assist until I run out (mostly for the pathogenic acid/acne whilst using clomid)
12 noon - liv 52
4pm - clomid dosage as per spreadsheet in 1st post
8pm - PCT assist and liv 52 with last meal, suppress-c after showering, 4 tabs cycle assist
As well as creatine and a preworkout around my workout.
08-10-2011, 07:39 PM
Seconds after making that last post the pmag arrives at my doorstep, one more week here we come haha. I'll shoot for 20lbs. Any advice regarding pct is still appreciated
09-23-2011, 03:33 PM
gonna start my pmag this week...only q i have is since im gonna start at a 75 should i dose say 50 in am and 25 like 12 hrs later? of course the cyc support 4 hrs apart...thanks if anyone can help me on the dosage times
09-23-2011, 07:01 PM
09-28-2011, 11:02 AM
thnks mw1.....so far up approx 2lbs..started on sat
10-15-2011, 11:09 PM
finished thru 3 weeks and heading into final 3 weeks now,,,,up about 7lbs. Sides are non existant and thank god pmag has been good to me. Ran into lil problem this wknd as im away at a wedding and forgot my supps and i will be without any pmag for one whole day tmrw (sun)and since i will be back home on monday late its looking like im gonna miss almost 2 days. Is this a real prob? Any ideas are apprecated and what i was thinking is i guess since i was on 75 maybe just take 25 at nite on monday when im ack home and then do regular 75 on tues....any help is appreciated
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