furuza/m14add recomp

[Bry17]

cant think of any "dry" compound that doesnt make you dry...you are making it way more complicated than it has to be lol

Yeah, but my point was 'dry' compounds can still add water weight. Water weight from dbol would probably look different than water weight from m-drol. Dbol is wet, mdrol is dry, generally speaking. See my point?

[eluruguayo]

will post more later -- here's the basic information from the last few days:
* no more weight gain -- still sticking at about 2kgs over my previous weight (it has now been about 10 days)
* back pumps have disappeared. they didn't even come back when i went for a weekend road trip without my taurine
* strength seems to have increased a little bit
* muscles are a little tighter -- even with extra stretching my stride length on the track is about 2% shorter (as measured by total number of steps per 100m)
* water weight has dropped off somewhat, definition has increased. i am very happy with the furuza so far.

starting the m14add component in three days, looking forward to it. will log in more detail when that starts, i've been very busy.

speaking of very busy, sex has also been amazing on the furuza -- it's as if the compound were actually "furuza/viagra combo" lol.

[mw1]

Glad to hear its going well for you

[eluruguayo]

here are some updates -- i'm now midway through the first week of both compounds (week #3 -- currently dosing at 250 furuza / 90 m14add).

LETHARGY:
i'm a little more tired on average. it's nothing debilitating -- certainly notihng by comparison to p-plex, which had me wanting to sleep almost 9 hours a day compared to my normal 6-7.
basically, i've been getting an almost uncontrollable urge to take naps in my equivalent of the early evening. fortunately, my schedule allows for this most of the time, so i've been dozing off for about 1-1.5 hours about four to six hours before normal bedtime.

STRENGTH:
i've started to pick up strength in the lifts, i'm up about 5 to 10kgs on most lifts involving weights. bodyweight exercises i haven't gained many reps, but this is understandable because i'm still at a weight 2-3kgs over baseline. so far i haven't put on any additional water weight with the m14add, which is surprising because that compound seems to have a reputation as a water weight gainer.

RUNNING:
i'm not running time trials, or anything close to 100%, so it's hard to say definitively. but my repeat 200s are about 0.5-1 second slower than usual, and my repeat 400s are about 1-1.5 seconds slower than usual, probably because of the 2-3kg of extra bodyweight.

AGGRESSION:
i actually feel more laid back than usual on average, but my libido (and temper/anger) flare up more easily as well. so, in summary, i'm less "fired up" than usual, but once i get started -- whether that's in terms of workout, sex, or irritability -- i'm more extreme than usual.

LIBIDO:
see above -- i'm a bit slower to get in the mood, wifey has had to put on 7" heels and stripper outfits and prance around the house in her little seductive attempts. i'm thinking i'm going to train her to do this in general, haha.
but once i'm started it's *on*. haha
i have sported random erections an hour or two after taking the doses of furuza, this is significant because that's something that hasn't really happened much in the last fifteen years or so.

BODY COMP:
remember i'm not trying to gain much weight; i'm eating around maintenance on track days, 500kcal over maintenance on workout days, and 500kcal under maintenance on rest/light training days.
i have not changed my body weight other than the initial 2kgs that i put on when i started the furuza two weeks ago, but visual inspection seems to indicate that i've lost about 1% body fat so far.

SIDES:
nothing dramatic.
i've had erect nipples more than usual, and they are a more pink color (this is highly noticeable because i'm dark skinned). they are not accompanied by any puffyness or swelling.
in response to this, i have started using 1/2 doses of formestane (2 squirts) daily. reps, thoughts?

[Bry17]

here are some updates -- i'm now midway through the first week of both compounds (week #3 -- currently dosing at 250 furuza / 90 m14add).

LETHARGY:
i'm a little more tired on average. it's nothing debilitating -- certainly notihng by comparison to p-plex, which had me wanting to sleep almost 9 hours a day compared to my normal 6-7.
basically, i've been getting an almost uncontrollable urge to take naps in my equivalent of the early evening. fortunately, my schedule allows for this most of the time, so i've been dozing off for about 1-1.5 hours about four to six hours before normal bedtime.

STRENGTH:
i've started to pick up strength in the lifts, i'm up about 5 to 10kgs on most lifts involving weights. bodyweight exercises i haven't gained many reps, but this is understandable because i'm still at a weight 2-3kgs over baseline. so far i haven't put on any additional water weight with the m14add, which is surprising because that compound seems to have a reputation as a water weight gainer.

RUNNING:
i'm not running time trials, or anything close to 100%, so it's hard to say definitively. but my repeat 200s are about 0.5-1 second slower than usual, and my repeat 400s are about 1-1.5 seconds slower than usual, probably because of the 2-3kg of extra bodyweight.

AGGRESSION:
i actually feel more laid back than usual on average, but my libido (and temper/anger) flare up more easily as well. so, in summary, i'm less "fired up" than usual, but once i get started -- whether that's in terms of workout, sex, or irritability -- i'm more extreme than usual.

LIBIDO:
see above -- i'm a bit slower to get in the mood, wifey has had to put on 7" heels and stripper outfits and prance around the house in her little seductive attempts. i'm thinking i'm going to train her to do this in general, haha.
but once i'm started it's *on*. haha
i have sported random erections an hour or two after taking the doses of furuza, this is significant because that's something that hasn't really happened much in the last fifteen years or so.

BODY COMP:
remember i'm not trying to gain much weight; i'm eating around maintenance on track days, 500kcal over maintenance on workout days, and 500kcal under maintenance on rest/light training days.
i have not changed my body weight other than the initial 2kgs that i put on when i started the furuza two weeks ago, but visual inspection seems to indicate that i've lost about 1% body fat so far.

SIDES:
nothing dramatic.
i've had erect nipples more than usual, and they are a more pink color (this is highly noticeable because i'm dark skinned). they are not accompanied by any puffyness or swelling.
in response to this, i have started using 1/2 doses of formestane (2 squirts) daily. reps, thoughts?

Great update. My bodyweight lifts like pull-ups and dips don't rise until around the 4th week usually on most compounds. High dose furuza seems to be kicking ass for you.

[eluruguayo]

it does seem to be helping,
the confounding variable here is a slight amount of increased carbs. i'm still restricting carbs to 25g before workout + 50g morning after weights + 50-100g after workout, but i'm going closer to the 100g after workout since i've started the cycle.

it's not a huge change, i'm probably only eating about 20 grams more than before the cycle -- so it's probably the furuza.

[eluruguayo]

reps, any thoughts on the whole pink-ish nipples / formestane issue? (see end of last post)

[Bry17]

reps, any thoughts on the whole pink-ish nipples / formestane issue? (see end of last post)

I would wait a couple days and see how sensitive they are. If they hurt/sting when you touch them or throb every so often etc., then start applying it.

[eluruguayo]

ok, so the nipple thing seems to be subsiding, but something a little more worrisome has cropped up:

For the last 3 days, so that would be starting about 1.5 weeks into the m14add stage (3.5 weeks into the whole cycle), I've been waking up with a somewhat sharp cramping feeling under my ribcage. What worries me about this is that that's the exact location of the liver, and this is a cycle of orals. Might just be stomach cramps, of course -- but might also be something more insidious than that.

here are some additional specifics:
* when i have gotten up, used the restroom, and drink 24-32 ounces of water, it has largely subsided within 10-20 minutes.
* i have been sick with a cold for the last 3-4 days, basically concurrent with this weird pain. i took advil one night and benadryl another night -- could those drugs mess with the liver, if taken in conjunction with orals?
* i have had zero alcohol on cycle (in fact, zero alcohol in the last six months) .

the napping urges have also continued. in combination with having a cold, they were irresistible -- i fell asleep in the middle of a theater show earlier tonight.

on the other hand, strength gains have been phenomenal. bodyweight lifts are through the roof (i was able to do 22 pullups today, even though i was still getting over a cold), and other lift weights are up sharply, too.

which of the following options would you go for, if you were me:
1) discontinue the cycle, start PCT, and get a liver panel done immediately;
2) continue the cycle but go get a liver panel (note that the results will take about a week to come back)
3) continue the cycle without lab work, monitor the pain until i'm fully well again, and maybe just drink a ton of water + extra taurine in case it's actually random stomach cramping.

thanks in advance

[eluruguayo]

another update: i drank double my usual water intake over the last 24-36 hours, and there was no cramping / liver area pain in the morning. so perhaps this problem really was just weird right-side stomach cramping ... or maybe my liver was being taxed by insufficient water intake (i have a hard time consuming enough fluids when i have a cold -- i just don't have the urge to drink things).

i drank enough water throughout the night that i got up 2x to go to the restroom, but it was worth it for the reassurance.

i will still monitor these signs of pain closely, and report on any further issues. the rest of the cycle is phenomenal.

[Bry17]

ok, so the nipple thing seems to be subsiding, but something a little more worrisome has cropped up:

For the last 3 days, so that would be starting about 1.5 weeks into the m14add stage (3.5 weeks into the whole cycle), I've been waking up with a somewhat sharp cramping feeling under my ribcage. What worries me about this is that that's the exact location of the liver, and this is a cycle of orals. Might just be stomach cramps, of course -- but might also be something more insidious than that.

here are some additional specifics:
* when i have gotten up, used the restroom, and drink 24-32 ounces of water, it has largely subsided within 10-20 minutes.
* i have been sick with a cold for the last 3-4 days, basically concurrent with this weird pain. i took advil one night and benadryl another night -- could those drugs mess with the liver, if taken in conjunction with orals?
* i have had zero alcohol on cycle (in fact, zero alcohol in the last six months) .

the napping urges have also continued. in combination with having a cold, they were irresistible -- i fell asleep in the middle of a theater show earlier tonight.

on the other hand, strength gains have been phenomenal. bodyweight lifts are through the roof (i was able to do 22 pullups today, even though i was still getting over a cold), and other lift weights are up sharply, too.

which of the following options would you go for, if you were me:
1) discontinue the cycle, start PCT, and get a liver panel done immediately;
2) continue the cycle but go get a liver panel (note that the results will take about a week to come back)
3) continue the cycle without lab work, monitor the pain until i'm fully well again, and maybe just drink a ton of water + extra taurine in case it's actually random stomach cramping.

thanks in advance

I would definitely do option 2.

[Bry17]

another update: i drank double my usual water intake over the last 24-36 hours, and there was no cramping / liver area pain in the morning. so perhaps this problem really was just weird right-side stomach cramping ... or maybe my liver was being taxed by insufficient water intake (i have a hard time consuming enough fluids when i have a cold -- i just don't have the urge to drink things).

i drank enough water throughout the night that i got up 2x to go to the restroom, but it was worth it for the reassurance.

i will still monitor these signs of pain closely, and report on any further issues. the rest of the cycle is phenomenal.

The cramping may just be bloat in your stomach. I've had this at night when running cycles. It's not uncommon, from my exp.

[eluruguayo]

****, i just wrote an entire post and then lost it -- i'll be more brief this time.

"The cramping may just be bloat in your stomach. I've had this at night when running cycles. It's not uncommon, from my exp"
-->i'm quite sure this is not the case, as i palpated the liver (the liver is a very easy thing to palpate) and that reproduced the pain more or less instantly and specifically.
moreover, the symptoms don't point to that -- remember that i was experiencing these symptoms when i was (a) short on overall water intake, (b) taking other liver-taxing drugs because i was sick, *and* (c) taking my last dose of the compound right before bedtime (i don't think i mentioned this last time).
so, i'm virtually certain that this was genuine liver pain. my hypothesis is that it was caused by the combination of (a) overall dehydration -- i was only consuming about 3L of water per day when i was sick, versus a normal consumption of 5-6L per day and a consumption of up to 8-9L per day on cycle -- and (b) taking the last dose right before bedtime, in other words right before 7 hours of complete dehydration. basically, the combination of these two factors meant that i was taking an oral steroid under conditions of moderate to severe dehydration, so it's no surprise that my liver was hurting.
to fix the problem, i made absolutely sure to drink at least 8L of water per day, and i've started dosing the compounds so that the last dose is at least 5 hours before bedtime. taking these two actions has completely made the pain disappear, so i'm about 99,9% sure that my original hypothesis was correct. nevertheless, i'm going to get into the labs tomorrow to get my liver panel done; i only have one liver, and i need it for carnaval... |:
finally, the last piece of evidence that it was a liver dehydration issue and not a bloating issue is the fact that it would completely go away within about 10 minutes of my getting out of bed and drinking 1 to 1,5 L of water.

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other updates:

libido / aggression: the addition of m14 to the cycle has not altered these two things. i'm still having the erections of a teenager, and a very happy wife with lots of bruises on her ass and lots of ... soreness.

training: my lifts have gone up by about 10-15%; i'll post more details about these later. in terms of bodyweight lifts, the total load that i can handle per set has increased by about 20%.

weight: i have put on another 1,5 to 2kgs since starting the m14add component of the cycle two weeks ago. as i have not increased calories or carbohydrates (and was sick for 3-4 days), i must attribute this weight gain to water weight.

i aggravated a previously pulled hamstring during my most recent track workout, so i'm going to lay off the track for a week. as a result, i'm going to add in one more weight workout, for a total of 4 weight workouts in the next seven days; on the days off, i'm going to stretch and rehabilitate the hamstring, and also do rehabilitation exercises for my rotator cuff.

sleepiness:
with the addition of m14add my urge to take naps in the evening has become almost irresistible. however, my wife has been happy to take care of the whole household while i've been sleeping, and then, after the kids have gone to bed, she's been prancing around the house in slutty clothes to try to squeeze one more session of action out of me.
hey look -- lots of aggressive sex, i'm sleeping all the time while my wife takes care of everything around the house, and then she's constantly dressing up trying to get even more sex out of me ... maybe you guys went wrong trying to market these things as muscle and strength boosters? you should have advertised them as marriage boosters instead.

[bigwhiteguy29]

Its the Furuza man. I am so tired all the time on P-mag and Furuza and i am taking naps like no other. cant stay awake during anything anymore. still worth it IMO. I however did not totally get off stims during my cycle because of it but Blood pressure feels fine.

[Bry17]

****, i just wrote an entire post and then lost it -- i'll be more brief this time.

"The cramping may just be bloat in your stomach. I've had this at night when running cycles. It's not uncommon, from my exp"
-->i'm quite sure this is not the case, as i palpated the liver (the liver is a very easy thing to palpate) and that reproduced the pain more or less instantly and specifically.
moreover, the symptoms don't point to that -- remember that i was experiencing these symptoms when i was (a) short on overall water intake, (b) taking other liver-taxing drugs because i was sick, *and* (c) taking my last dose of the compound right before bedtime (i don't think i mentioned this last time).
so, i'm virtually certain that this was genuine liver pain. my hypothesis is that it was caused by the combination of (a) overall dehydration -- i was only consuming about 3L of water per day when i was sick, versus a normal consumption of 5-6L per day and a consumption of up to 8-9L per day on cycle -- and (b) taking the last dose right before bedtime, in other words right before 7 hours of complete dehydration. basically, the combination of these two factors meant that i was taking an oral steroid under conditions of moderate to severe dehydration, so it's no surprise that my liver was hurting.
to fix the problem, i made absolutely sure to drink at least 8L of water per day, and i've started dosing the compounds so that the last dose is at least 5 hours before bedtime. taking these two actions has completely made the pain disappear, so i'm about 99,9% sure that my original hypothesis was correct. nevertheless, i'm going to get into the labs tomorrow to get my liver panel done; i only have one liver, and i need it for carnaval... |:
finally, the last piece of evidence that it was a liver dehydration issue and not a bloating issue is the fact that it would completely go away within about 10 minutes of my getting out of bed and drinking 1 to 1,5 L of water.

--

other updates:

libido / aggression: the addition of m14 to the cycle has not altered these two things. i'm still having the erections of a teenager, and a very happy wife with lots of bruises on her ass and lots of ... soreness.

training: my lifts have gone up by about 10-15%; i'll post more details about these later. in terms of bodyweight lifts, the total load that i can handle per set has increased by about 20%.

weight: i have put on another 1,5 to 2kgs since starting the m14add component of the cycle two weeks ago. as i have not increased calories or carbohydrates (and was sick for 3-4 days), i must attribute this weight gain to water weight.

i aggravated a previously pulled hamstring during my most recent track workout, so i'm going to lay off the track for a week. as a result, i'm going to add in one more weight workout, for a total of 4 weight workouts in the next seven days; on the days off, i'm going to stretch and rehabilitate the hamstring, and also do rehabilitation exercises for my rotator cuff.

sleepiness:
with the addition of m14add my urge to take naps in the evening has become almost irresistible. however, my wife has been happy to take care of the whole household while i've been sleeping, and then, after the kids have gone to bed, she's been prancing around the house in slutty clothes to try to squeeze one more session of action out of me.
hey look -- lots of aggressive sex, i'm sleeping all the time while my wife takes care of everything around the house, and then she's constantly dressing up trying to get even more sex out of me ... maybe you guys went wrong trying to market these things as muscle and strength boosters? you should have advertised them as marriage boosters instead.

I would not take your last dose before bedtime. Not on any cycle. I would get the liver panel done as well. Good to hear the cycle is showing results.

[eluruguayo]

good news, i got my liver panel results back and they were pretty much normal. i had somewhat elevated bilirubin levels, but that has occurred earlier in my life at various points so may just be an indicator of something more inherent.
i just recently stepped the m14add up to 120 (we're entering the tail end of the cycle here). overall the cycle has been a smashing success: lifts up 15%, bodyweight lifts up as much as 25% reps. i've even managed to make good further progress with a longstanding shoulder/rotator cuff injury (mentioned earlier in the thread)

BACK PUMPS
i've started to experience these in the last week or two ... baaaaadd
i've been doing heavier abs than usual (including straight leg raises with motorcycle boots that weigh 2kgs each + additional 2kg ankle weights), so i suppose i'm asking for it along with the cycle.
i've been taking 1000-1500 of taurine daily to deal with this, but the back pumps have still been rather severe, especially when i'm sitting. (luckily i don't normally sit at work.)

what else would you all do for the pumps?
more taurine?
should taurine be taken between meals or with meals?
any other anti-back-pump wonder drugs?

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i've also been taking water like it's cancer medicine (7-8L per day!) and this has pretty much caused the other nagging stuff to cease completely.

[Bry17]

good news, i got my liver panel results back and they were pretty much normal. i had somewhat elevated bilirubin levels, but that has occurred earlier in my life at various points so may just be an indicator of something more inherent.
i just recently stepped the m14add up to 120 (we're entering the tail end of the cycle here). overall the cycle has been a smashing success: lifts up 15%, bodyweight lifts up as much as 25% reps. i've even managed to make good further progress with a longstanding shoulder/rotator cuff injury (mentioned earlier in the thread)

BACK PUMPS
i've started to experience these in the last week or two ... baaaaadd
i've been doing heavier abs than usual (including straight leg raises with motorcycle boots that weigh 2kgs each + additional 2kg ankle weights), so i suppose i'm asking for it along with the cycle.
i've been taking 1000-1500 of taurine daily to deal with this, but the back pumps have still been rather severe, especially when i'm sitting. (luckily i don't normally sit at work.)

what else would you all do for the pumps?
more taurine?
should taurine be taken between meals or with meals?
any other anti-back-pump wonder drugs?

--

i've also been taking water like it's cancer medicine (7-8L per day!) and this has pretty much caused the other nagging stuff to cease completely.

From some of the m14 bloodworks i've seen, it seems to be fairly easy on the liver. Interesting. Taurine is good to take to combat back pumps. Lots of foods high in potassium as well.

[Bry17]

Also, if you're liking formestane, I would check it out at Nutra. Likely the lowest price you'll see on it.

[mw1]

You need to get your taurine dosage up to 5g a day to stop the back pumps

[eluruguayo]

I have ordered a couple of extra formestane's, thank you for the tip.

5g a day of taurine! That's 10 pills -- how would you space that out? I will assume that I am not supposed to take 10 pills all at once.
So far I have not been going over 1,5g (3 pills), a dose that has had moderate relief effects. (I have also been avoiding advil and other NSAID's completely, as I figure that the cycle is already taxing my liver enough as it is.)