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First PH cycle - Researched for WEEKS! Still need help.

vpdman

vpdman

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Hey guys I've been researching for PH cycles for week upon weeks now and have searched through most of the forums out there so I learned a lot but am still hoping for some advice. I'm not to big of a guy. Im at 5'8, 167lb with 18% bf. I dont want to rush into anything and I also want to make sure im doing things right.

I have researched the SD clone called M-Drol and the Halo clone called H-
Drol. I was going through forums and have learn the basics these two. How M-drol is a 3 to 4 week cycle while H-Drol is a 5 to 6 week cycle. At first I was considering taking M-Drol for about 3 weeks at 10/20/20, but I've researched that M-drol kicks in at 2 and a half to 3 weeks which gives very little time for me to make any actual gains, and I know Im not going to want to go for the 4th week due to the sides. Now I just started considering H-Drol, which I would cycle at 25/25-50/50/50/50.

What does everyone here recommend for a first time PH user? Im leaning towards the H-Drol due to a better Libido.

Ive looked into many of the supplements that are a necessity for during and PCT. I found Competitive Edge Labs Cycle Assist, which looks amazing but I also stumbled onto Anabolic Innovations Cycle Support. Im currently leaning towards The Cycle Support since it has the gram of both Hawthorn Berry and Milk Thistle Extract as apposed to Cycle Assist which has half the dosage. It seems to me that the dosages on Cycle Assist seem to be half of what they should be. Is there a reason for this? I personally would rather take pill rather than powder. And then there is Life Support where you have to take two serving to get 500mg of both HB and MT. So for me I would have to take 4 serving a day to equal that of Cycle Support.

Any recommendations as far as Cycle supplements are concerned. And any reason why Cycle Assist has half the dosages as Cycle Support? Not trying to bash on any particular product just wondering if one is more concentrated or if it absorbs better. Thanks

As far as PCT is concerned Ive read up many different things for it. I know for a fact that I will be using a SERM. Possibly Nolva? I plan on continuing Cycle Assist/Support into PCT. I also am looking into a Test booster any good one that wont cost me a fortune like 6OXO. That product is like 50 bulks!!! Let me know if im missing anything else.

Thanks in ahead for all the help with this.
 
Ok well first of good choice on revising which PH to use. M-drol is not for a first timer. H-drol has much less sides. As far as gains M-drol is way better but thats because u continually gain through some of the PCT as long as the PCT is good. As for h-drol, the doseage u mentioned is kind of weak. most people generally go a full 5 or six weeks at 50 or 75. so it woul look like (in a 5 week plan). h-drol 50/50/50/50/50 or 50/50/75/75/75. As for weather wanting to do a 6 week plan just add on another 50 for the first scenario or 75 to the second senario. Most people report sides at 100 or over but some really solid gains at 75.

As for PCT, And this looks where u have the majority of your holes in the plan. a SERM in not necessarily needed on h-drol, THAT BEING SAID HAVING A SERM ON HAND IS HIGHLY SUGGESTED nolva is a good choice in this scenario, in case of anything going wrong. As far as on cycle supplements you seem to have a couple good products listed a lot of people like both the cycle assist and cycle support. As far as the PCT products you should expect to be paying a decent amount of money as these proucts will either allow u too keep gaining/retaining your gains. As well as prevent any unwanted sides.

I suggest you do a little bit more research and repost with the goals of this cycle as well as ur base. There are Millions of PCT forums for h-drol and all are mostly informative and accurate. Also how old are u? training status? etc things like that come into play when deciding on a PH.
 
ok guys Ive done a little bit of research and am thinking of doing a 5 week cycle of H-Drol at 25-50/50/50/50/50. This should be about one bottle from CEL with 60 servings. I will buy a bottle of HB and preload it for a week at 1g a day. Then i'll start my CEL Cycle Assist through out the cycle till end of PCT.

PCT:
Im looking into a Anti-E like SNS Inhibit-E. Or maybe Nolva at 20/20/10/10?
Anabolic Xtreme Lean FX for reducing the cortisol.
is a Test Booster needed here or will SNS Inhibit-E do the job? I also am adding a CEE creatine along with Animal M-Stak. Not too sure when to incorporate these two.

I was also thinking about buying the Cycle Support, Post Cycle Support and H-Drol combo for 99$ and then buy a bottle of CEL Cycle Assist for PCT. That way I have support supps, H-Drol, and Anti Estrogen with Post Cycle Support. All I would need is the cortisol reducer supp and maybe a Test booster if PCS doesn't cut it.

Thanks again for the help. Let me know what you all think.
 
Forgot to mention that Im 21, 5'8, and weighing in at 168lb. My Bf % is at 18%. Im getting an intake of 3000 cal a day with about 185 to 200 grams of protein a day. I will def up that the cals when im on H-Drol. im thinking 4k to 5K?

This Diet support on this website is ingenious!! I love it I just enter the food in and it has it there counted for me. it also tells me where im at as for as cals are concerned.
 
vpdman said:
ok guys Ive done a little bit of research and am thinking of doing a 5 week cycle of H-Drol at 25-50/50/50/50/50. This should be about one bottle from CEL with 60 servings. I will buy a bottle of HB and preload it for a week at 1g a day. Then i'll start my CEL Cycle Assist through out the cycle till end of PCT.

PCT:
Im looking into a Anti-E like SNS Inhibit-E. Or maybe Nolva at 20/20/10/10?
Anabolic Xtreme Lean FX for reducing the cortisol.
is a Test Booster needed here or will SNS Inhibit-E do the job? I also am adding a CEE creatine along with Animal M-Stak. Not too sure when to incorporate these two.

I was also thinking about buying the Cycle Support, Post Cycle Support and H-Drol combo for 99$ and then buy a bottle of CEL Cycle Assist for PCT. That way I have support supps, H-Drol, and Anti Estrogen with Post Cycle Support. All I would need is the cortisol reducer supp and maybe a Test booster if PCS doesn't cut it.

Thanks again for the help. Let me know what you all think.
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For PCT ,Inhibit E, PCT Assist (which is also better and cheaper than PCS) a cortisol controling product like Suppprees C would be a good PCT. You do not need Cycle Support in PCT - just pick up some SNS Liver Assist or something like that
 
mw1 said:
For PCT ,Inhibit E, PCT Assist (which is also better and cheaper than PCS) a cortisol controling product like Suppprees C would be a good PCT. You do not need Cycle Support in PCT - just pick up some SNS Liver Assist or something like that
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i agree

start supress c 2 weeks into pct.

dose inhibit e 3/2/2/1
I always get now foods liver stuff, cheap
 
Here is what im looking at:

ON CYCLE:
H-Drol 50-50-50-50 maybe 25-50-50-75?
CEL Cycle Assist preload a week before for better support on BP.

PCT:
Nolva at 20-20-10-10 Low dosages for H-Drol
Blue Up by Controlled Labs for the Test booster. (I really like their Green Bulge)
PCT Assist
X-Lean by IBE for the cortisol
Green Bulge by Controlled Labs for CEE
Animal M-Stak

This PCT is crazy! I cant wait to get started but really want to get the dosages and everything else right for PCT. The actual cycle is pretty short and simple, but the PCT on the other hand has like 6 things in it. I'm thinking that I will start the CEE as soon as my PCT starts along with the Test Booster and the Nolva? Any Idea on how I should go about stacking it as far as dosages? The more opinions the better. I've done the research for what goes into a PCT and does Animal M-Stak fit in? If so where? Thanks

Ive read that you start the Test booster as soon as you start ur SERM or AI but there are many different view points about when you should start the Cortisol supp. I've read up on it and some people recommend that you start on week 2 or 3. Why do you guys recommend it at Week 2? I'm just trying to get things right. Thanks
 
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