H Drol PCT: PCS and Reversitol

[Jim Nasium]

What's up?I have PCS and Reversitol ready for my PCT. Will I be good with just one or the other? I'm doing a 6 week cycle at 50/75/75/75/75/75. I was thinking maybe I could get away with just using the PCS. Should I use both to be on the safe side?

 

[mw1]

Well i never recommend Reversitol due to the "prop blend" and PCS is not enough on its own. I suggest you consider PCT Assist instead- its a better profile at about $5-9 chaeper

 

[Jim Nasium]

Well i never recommend Reversitol due to the "prop blend" and PCS is not enough on its own. I suggest you consider PCT Assist instead- its a better profile at about $5-9 chaeper

What does that mean, "prop blend"? Are you saying that because it's a generic version of 6oxo that you don't trust it? It had 6 bromo in it right? I thought that means it's good to use as an AI? I don't mean to argumentative but could ypou exlain that a little further please?

 

[MrBigPR]

Reversitol and PCS is fine for PCT. Start PCS on week 3 per instructions on the bottle. You could run an anti cort and add some creatine if you wanted also.

 

[Jim Nasium]

Reversitol and PCS is fine for PCT. Start PCS on week 3 per instructions on the bottle. You could run an anti cort and add some creatine if you wanted also.

Yup, got my SizeOn and my Lean Xtreme ready. What if I run the PCT like this:

Weeks 1-4: Reversitol
Weeks 5-8: Lean Xtreme
Weeks 8-11: PCS

Does this look like a proper PCT?

 

[Jim Nasium]

Bump

 

[MrBigPR]

You can start the Lean Xtreme on day 15 or day 1 of PCT, it is up to you. I would start PCS on week 3 regardless.

So week 1-4:Reversitol
Week 3-finishedCS
Lean Xtreme: 1st week or 15th day.

 

[Jim Nasium]

You can start the Lean Xtreme on day 15 or day 1 of PCT, it is up to you. I would start PCS on week 3 regardless.

So week 1-4:Reversitol
Week 3-finishedCS
Lean Xtreme: 1st week or 15th day.

What is your basis for saying this, just out of curiosity?

 

[MrBigPR]

Layman's terms, you want to keep boosting your test to regular levels. If you have a 3 week gap like you have it, it's going to take longer to get back to "regular".

 

[mw1]

What does that mean, "prop blend"? Are you saying that because it's a generic version of 6oxo that you don't trust it? It had 6 bromo in it right? I thought that means it's good to use as an AI? I don't mean to argumentative but could ypou exlain that a little further please?

t lists the ingred , which is ATD, 6bromo and I3C but do not list the individual dosages of each ~~~so u have NO idea how much you are getting of each...which happens to be important in pCT

 

[Jim Nasium]

t lists the ingred , which is ATD, 6bromo and I3C but do not list the individual dosages of each ~~~so u have NO idea how much you are getting of each...which happens to be important in pCT

Right but you can't deny that Reversitol is a reputible product, and according to my PCT research, the ingredients that you listed are essential to a good PCT. So being that Reversitol has a good reputation, and includes the right ingredients, they must be doing something right.

 

[Jim Nasium]

Layman's terms, you want to keep boosting your test to regular levels. If you have a 3 week gap like you have it, it's going to take longer to get back to "regular".

I read in the Lean Xtreme profile that it also increases test levels while suppressing cortisol. So even if the PCT had to go longer I'd be increasing my test levels the whole time.

 

[buster0371]

why would he start pcs on week 3 of pct instead of day 1?

 

[MrBigPR]

You usually want to go the length of the cycle plus half to recover fully. Some just do the length of the cycle (amount on cycle=amount of weeks for PCT).

 

[MrBigPR]

why would he start pcs on week 3 of pct instead of day 1?

He will be running Reversitol. Don't want to boost test too much. Week 3 will be towards the end taper of REversitol.

 

[buster0371]

He will be running Reversitol. Don't want to boost test too much. Week 3 will be towards the end taper of REversitol.

oic

 

[mw1]

Right but you can't deny that Reversitol is a reputible product, and according to my PCT research, the ingredients that you listed are essential to a good PCT. So being that Reversitol has a good reputation, and includes the right ingredients, they must be doing something right.

The ingreds are essential to a pct ...but at certain doses . If there is only 5 mgs of ATD in Reversitol then its really not doing u much good.Also , since they do not list the amounts , they can change dramatically between batches

 

[Jim Nasium]

The ingreds are essential to a pct ...but at certain doses . If there is only 5 mgs of ATD in Reversitol then its really not doing u much good.Also , since they do not list the amounts , they can change dramatically between batches

That's kinda scary when u put it like that..but I guess the PCS should take care of the rest so I'm not too worried. My friend told me today he gained 15 pounds of muscle mass on H Drol in a 4 week cycle at 50mg! Good shtuff!

 

[jason76]

whats a good stack to run with H-drol. My plan is for a 6 week cycle of H-drol 50/75/100/100/100/125? I wil be doing nano vapor and cycle assist and pct will be pcs and reversitrol. Any suggestions? Looking for recomp with a lot of BF to lose.

 

[buster0371]

whats a good stack to run with H-drol. My plan is for a 6 week cycle of H-drol 50/75/100/100/100/125? I wil be doing nano vapor and cycle assist and pct will be pcs and reversitrol. Any suggestions? Looking for recomp with a lot of BF to lose.

nano vapor is a bad idea! your dosage is pretty crazy for a recomp? this your first cycle, i bet youll only need 50/50/75/75. if your gonna go crazy with the dosage than taper down too... 50/75/100/125/100/75

 

[jason76]

this is my second cycle and the first was at 50/50/50/50. It felt good but I am sure I can do more. Maybe not that much though. I will take your advice Buster, thanks, Why is nano vapor bad? bad in general or bad while on cycle?

 

[buster0371]

while on cycle, blood pressure issues. yeah ask around im not too good with PH, but maybe try 50/75/75/75/100/100 that should be crazy! but i heard tapering down does do you a lot of good...

 

[jason76]

thanks again buster. Appreciate it. What is a good no pre workout to take with the hdol?

 

[buster0371]

how about an hgh booster like l-dopa or powerful by USP labs? or there are all kinds of little things like beta alanine, citriline malate? again im not positave on these but just drink a carb/protein shake pre workout, drink bcaa + waxi maize intro workout, and drink carbs and protein post workout. you dont really need facy supps since your on freaking hdrol. but you gotta make sure your getting a lot of protein!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MrBigPR]

You do not need to taper down for PH cycles. If you do, you went too high in the first place.

You can go as high as 100mg for a 200lb male without noticable sides. As you get higher and sides are more abundant, you may want to incorporate a SERM for PCT.

Nano Vapor gave me a bad reaction so I tend to stay away from those type of supps. Since this is your second cycle you can problaby go for a 50/75/100/100/100 and be fine with PCS and reversitol.

 

[buster0371]

You do not need to taper down for PH cycles. If you do, you went too high in the first place.

You can go as high as 100mg for a 200lb male without noticable sides. As you get higher and sides are more abundant, you may want to incorporate a SERM for PCT.

Nano Vapor gave me a bad reaction so I tend to stay away from those type of supps. Since this is your second cycle you can problaby go for a 50/75/100/100/100 and be fine with PCS and reversitol.

wow you think so? this one guy ran a huge dose of 3ad and the resps suggested he tapper down. he did and it seemed to make his pct easier.

 

[MrBigPR]

He problaby went too high to begin with. Was he expieriencing sides that made him go down? That is one of the reasons one will go down. A taper effect would more than likely hinder gains.

 

[jason76]

thanks you guys I really do appreciate this information. What do you know about running novadex from gaspari as part of my pct? Anyone here every use?

 

[SacTownRob]

What do you have in mind to use along with Novadex for your pct? What ph are you on?

 

[MrBigPR]

Novedex XT = Crap.

Stick with Reversitol and PCS and you are good to go.

 

[jason76]

one more novice question. The reversitrol is the ai and the pss will have ai and natty booster right?

 

[masterX]

one more novice question. The reversitrol is the ai and the pss will have ai and natty booster right?

You are educated it s nice to read you.

Suggestion for pct after 4 weekers:

1 bottle Ai (the hype of the year, actually 6-bromo with Alpha and beta isomers)
-Formestane if ever tried you should, it is an AI with little muscle building & repartitionning.

1 bottle Test booster (herbal ingredients)

1 bottle Anti cortisol (Mbaet, B-Androstenetriol all the same) < lean fx (DS), lean xtreme (AX), X-lean (IBE), Supress C (CeL), Restore (Alri)... I recommend strongly cuz it s very good to preserve lean mass.



Myself i run these 3 bottles straight after every cycle and it s perfect! of course you can add low dose of nolva or wathever SERM you want if you need... to what i know H-drol (P-mag) is weak and you should recover correctly.

 

[jason76]

cool thanks. So this is what I will be doing. Agree or disagree as you like. I am just taking my last pill of Reversitrol tomorrow so that means I finished up my cycle of H drol 50/50/50/50 one month ago. I was not educated well enough for my pct so it suffered. I just did the Reversitrol. I will be starting my tribulis again tomorrow to help with the t levels. In one or two more months I will begin my new cycle of H-drol with cycle support. It will be 50/75/100/100/100. I will follow with a pct as follows
week 1-5 reversitrol
week 1-5 pcs
week 2-7 supress-c if I can find it or some other cortisol inhibitor
week 7+ hopefully enjoy the my new body and higher weights and size at the gym
any input?

 

[MrBigPR]

I still think you should take pcs on weeks 3-finish. Everything else looks solid.

 

[jason76]

week 3 of pct or cycle

 

[jason76]

never mind. week 3 of PCT. I see why now. I will be tapering down my reversitrol and will then start the pcs which will continually give me good bumps of test production. Thanks. Hey, I am just finishing week four of pct and am having a decrease of libido. I never had a big drive to start with and it did spike with my 4 week hdrol cycle but is very little now. My wife is having to remind me to have sex lol. I am guessing that my next pct will be better at taking care of this since I will have a constant intake of a natty test booster but is there anything out there that works good for libido that acts quick as well. I don't want viagra I just want something that can be taken daily that is gentle to help during the lull? THanks guys. I am glad I joined this forum and appreciate you taken time to help us newbies out with this stuff. You do make a difference and make things safer for us!!

 

[MrBigPR]

week 3 of pct

 

[masterX]

I don't want viagra I just want something that can be taken daily that is gentle to help during the lull? THanks guys.

Zma (Now nutrition) < at night before to sleep only buy this and add one of these:

Powerfull (Usp labs) could help but you have to take it one hour appart from meals and it is quite boring in the long run.

Activate Xtreme (Drive sports / Designer supplements)

Diesel test hardcore

T-bomb (Mhp)

A new fantasm with your wife: buy her handcuffs so she ll be the sherif.

 

[jason76]

A new fantasm with your wife: buy her handcuffs so she ll be the sherif.

lol. She might try police brutality.

 

[LAGear]

This thread is a mess. If I was just starting out I'd be really confused by now. Here's all you need for PCT:

PCT 1-4 - Torem
PCT 1-4 - Test Booster
PCT 1-6 - Creatine
PCT 3-6 - Cort blocker
PCT 3-6 - PCS

Very simple protocol and will get you recovered without question. If you want to be safe go the foolproof route. Not using a serm because "you can probably get away without one" or any similar argument is faulty logic propagated by supplement reps.

I can't believe this is the 40th post and nobody has had the good sense (or conscience) to tell you to use a serm.

I'm going to say this again. For anyone researching their PCT for the first time go to multiple sites and get opinions from as many people and as many places as possible, only then will you have a complete picture because you'll find biases everywhere you go.

 

[MrBigPR]

Not everyone has easy access to a SERM, therefore you cannot insist they get one.

A person will do PH/AAS because of personal want and there are actually other possibilities beyond a SERM for the compound in question. In some cases a SERM can be more detrimental to health depending on underlying conditions.

 

[KgTomCat]

MrBigPR is steering everyone in the right direction lol...but guys this Hdrol, the simpliest and safest PH out there today, its not rocket science, like LAGear pointed out

 

[KgTomCat]

That's kinda scary when u put it like that..but I guess the PCS should take care of the rest so I'm not too worried. My friend told me today he gained 15 pounds of muscle mass on H Drol in a 4 week cycle at 50mg! Good shtuff!

you should be worried...its steroids
15 lbs, no

 

[MrBigPR]

TomCat should know, it's like his 3rd time.

 

[LAGear]

Not everyone has easy access to a SERM, therefore you cannot insist they get one.

A person will do PH/AAS because of personal want and there are actually other possibilities beyond a SERM for the compound in question. In some cases a SERM can be more detrimental to health depending on underlying conditions.

If you live in the U.S. you have easy access to SERMs. If you don't live in the US then I agree with you, OTC may be your only option.

Some serms like clomid can have crazy side effects, I wouldn't touch it. But torem is in a totally different league. Very safe and effective. I would say less sides than OTC AI products which can increase shedding, increase risk of gyno, raise your blood pressure, mess with your lipids, etc. What are the risks of a few weeks of torem at a low dose?

If you live in the U.S. and have access to research chems from suppliers that are tried and true, there is no good reason to go OTC rather than use torem. Even for hdrol, it's still hormonal and it's still a steroid. The only legitimate reason not to use torem IMO is because everyone is sold out. When I bought my torem only one place had it in stock.

I don't know what underlying conditions some people could have that wold make AI use safer than torem but if that is true you're talking about a minority of people. And I've never heard someone say "Unless you have this underlying condition then use Nolvedex XT, otherwise you should always use a serm."

But again, the logic on this website (and some others) is totally out of whack because it's practically run by supplement reps who plug their product at every opportunity. They've led people to feel that using a serm is "bad" and that it's "good" to use OTC and I think that's just bunk.

 

[KgTomCat]

TomCat should know, it's like his 3rd time.

hey now, MIGHT be my 3rd time LOL
Im thinking Pmag/Hdrol: 9 weeks
Pmag:75/75/75/75/75/75
Hdrol:0/0/75/100/100/100/125
...ideas?
maybe throw some Furaguno I have left over in there

 

[Jim Nasium]

You can start the Lean Xtreme on day 15 or day 1 of PCT, it is up to you. I would start PCS on week 3 regardless.

So week 1-4:Reversitol
Week 3-finishedCS
Lean Xtreme: 1st week or 15th day.

Mr.BigPR how are ya? This may sound stupid, but when you say start the PCS on week 3 do you mean day 15? So would it look like this?

Weeks 1-4 Reversitol
Weeks 3-6 Lean Xtreme
Weeks 3-6 PCS

Like that?

 

[Jim Nasium]

you should be worried...its steroids
15 lbs, no

So what's your recommendation for my PCT? Does my stack look good or should I add something or take something away in your opinion?

 

[MrBigPR]

Im good. You have it exactly right. Run the PCS bottle until it is empty. You should be good to go then :thumbsup:

 

[LAGear]

Im good. You have it exactly right. Run the PCS bottle until it is empty. You should be good to go then :thumbsup:

Why do you recommend waiting until week three of PCT to start PCS? I don't think I've heard that before.