one more novice question. The reversitrol is the ai and the pss will have ai and natty booster right?

Originally Posted by jason76

one more novice question. The reversitrol is the ai and the pss will have ai and natty booster right?

You are educated it s nice to read you.

Suggestion for pct after 4 weekers:

1 bottle Ai (the hype of the year, actually 6-bromo with Alpha and beta isomers)
-Formestane if ever tried you should, it is an AI with little muscle building & repartitionning.

1 bottle Test booster (herbal ingredients)

1 bottle Anti cortisol (Mbaet, B-Androstenetriol all the same) < lean fx (DS), lean xtreme (AX), X-lean (IBE), Supress C (CeL), Restore (Alri)... I recommend strongly cuz it s very good to preserve lean mass.



Myself i run these 3 bottles straight after every cycle and it s perfect! of course you can add low dose of nolva or wathever SERM you want if you need... to what i know H-drol (P-mag) is weak and you should recover correctly.

cool thanks. So this is what I will be doing. Agree or disagree as you like. I am just taking my last pill of Reversitrol tomorrow so that means I finished up my cycle of H drol 50/50/50/50 one month ago. I was not educated well enough for my pct so it suffered. I just did the Reversitrol. I will be starting my tribulis again tomorrow to help with the t levels. In one or two more months I will begin my new cycle of H-drol with cycle support. It will be 50/75/100/100/100. I will follow with a pct as follows
week 1-5 reversitrol
week 1-5 pcs
week 2-7 supress-c if I can find it or some other cortisol inhibitor
week 7+ hopefully enjoy the my new body and higher weights and size at the gym
any input?

I still think you should take pcs on weeks 3-finish. Everything else looks solid.

week 3 of pct or cycle

never mind. week 3 of PCT. I see why now. I will be tapering down my reversitrol and will then start the pcs which will continually give me good bumps of test production. Thanks. Hey, I am just finishing week four of pct and am having a decrease of libido. I never had a big drive to start with and it did spike with my 4 week hdrol cycle but is very little now. My wife is having to remind me to have sex lol. I am guessing that my next pct will be better at taking care of this since I will have a constant intake of a natty test booster but is there anything out there that works good for libido that acts quick as well. I don't want viagra I just want something that can be taken daily that is gentle to help during the lull? THanks guys. I am glad I joined this forum and appreciate you taken time to help us newbies out with this stuff. You do make a difference and make things safer for us!!

week 3 of pct

Originally Posted by jason76

I don't want viagra I just want something that can be taken daily that is gentle to help during the lull? THanks guys.

Zma (Now nutrition) < at night before to sleep only buy this and add one of these:

Powerfull (Usp labs) could help but you have to take it one hour appart from meals and it is quite boring in the long run.

Activate Xtreme (Drive sports / Designer supplements)

Diesel test hardcore

T-bomb (Mhp)

A new fantasm with your wife: buy her handcuffs so she ll be the sherif.

A new fantasm with your wife: buy her handcuffs so she ll be the sherif.

lol. She might try police brutality.

This thread is a mess. If I was just starting out I'd be really confused by now. Here's all you need for PCT:

PCT 1-4 - Torem
PCT 1-4 - Test Booster
PCT 1-6 - Creatine
PCT 3-6 - Cort blocker
PCT 3-6 - PCS

Very simple protocol and will get you recovered without question. If you want to be safe go the foolproof route. Not using a serm because "you can probably get away without one" or any similar argument is faulty logic propagated by supplement reps.

I can't believe this is the 40th post and nobody has had the good sense (or conscience) to tell you to use a serm.

I'm going to say this again. For anyone researching their PCT for the first time go to multiple sites and get opinions from as many people and as many places as possible, only then will you have a complete picture because you'll find biases everywhere you go.

Not everyone has easy access to a SERM, therefore you cannot insist they get one.

A person will do PH/AAS because of personal want and there are actually other possibilities beyond a SERM for the compound in question. In some cases a SERM can be more detrimental to health depending on underlying conditions.

MrBigPR is steering everyone in the right direction lol...but guys this Hdrol, the simpliest and safest PH out there today, its not rocket science, like LAGear pointed out

Originally Posted by Jim Nasium

That's kinda scary when u put it like that..but I guess the PCS should take care of the rest so I'm not too worried. My friend told me today he gained 15 pounds of muscle mass on H Drol in a 4 week cycle at 50mg! Good shtuff!

you should be worried...its steroids
15 lbs, no

TomCat should know, it's like his 3rd time.

Originally Posted by MrBigPR

Not everyone has easy access to a SERM, therefore you cannot insist they get one.

A person will do PH/AAS because of personal want and there are actually other possibilities beyond a SERM for the compound in question. In some cases a SERM can be more detrimental to health depending on underlying conditions.

If you live in the U.S. you have easy access to SERMs. If you don't live in the US then I agree with you, OTC may be your only option.

Some serms like clomid can have crazy side effects, I wouldn't touch it. But torem is in a totally different league. Very safe and effective. I would say less sides than OTC AI products which can increase shedding, increase risk of gyno, raise your blood pressure, mess with your lipids, etc. What are the risks of a few weeks of torem at a low dose?

If you live in the U.S. and have access to research chems from suppliers that are tried and true, there is no good reason to go OTC rather than use torem. Even for hdrol, it's still hormonal and it's still a steroid. The only legitimate reason not to use torem IMO is because everyone is sold out. When I bought my torem only one place had it in stock.

I don't know what underlying conditions some people could have that wold make AI use safer than torem but if that is true you're talking about a minority of people. And I've never heard someone say "Unless you have this underlying condition then use Nolvedex XT, otherwise you should always use a serm."

But again, the logic on this website (and some others) is totally out of whack because it's practically run by supplement reps who plug their product at every opportunity. They've led people to feel that using a serm is "bad" and that it's "good" to use OTC and I think that's just bunk.

Originally Posted by MrBigPR

TomCat should know, it's like his 3rd time.

hey now, MIGHT be my 3rd time LOL
Im thinking Pmag/Hdrol: 9 weeks
Pmag:75/75/75/75/75/75
Hdrol:0/0/75/100/100/100/125
...ideas?
maybe throw some Furaguno I have left over in there

Originally Posted by MrBigPR

You can start the Lean Xtreme on day 15 or day 1 of PCT, it is up to you. I would start PCS on week 3 regardless.

So week 1-4:Reversitol
Week 3-finished:PCS
Lean Xtreme: 1st week or 15th day.

Mr.BigPR how are ya? This may sound stupid, but when you say start the PCS on week 3 do you mean day 15? So would it look like this?

Weeks 1-4 Reversitol
Weeks 3-6 Lean Xtreme
Weeks 3-6 PCS

Like that?

Originally Posted by KgTomCat

you should be worried...its steroids
15 lbs, no

So what's your recommendation for my PCT? Does my stack look good or should I add something or take something away in your opinion?

Im good. You have it exactly right. Run the PCS bottle until it is empty. You should be good to go then

Originally Posted by MrBigPR

Im good. You have it exactly right. Run the PCS bottle until it is empty. You should be good to go then

Why do you recommend waiting until week three of PCT to start PCS? I don't think I've heard that before.

Amount of hormones stabilizing in the body. Too much with the 6 bromo in reversitol can actually create some more estrogen in your body then you would want. You are starting PCS as you taper reversitol down.

Funny you have never heard of it before yet in post 40 you outline him starting in week 3

Originally Posted by MrBigPR

Im good. You have it exactly right. Run the PCS bottle until it is empty. You should be good to go then

Thanks mane! Btw no homo but you got some sick abs dude. Did you use a fat burner to chisel them out like that? What kind of ab workouts do you employ?

Originally Posted by MrBigPR

Amount of hormones stabilizing in the body. Too much with the 6 bromo in reversitol can actually create some more estrogen in your body then you would want. You are starting PCS as you taper reversitol down.

Funny you have never heard of it before yet in post 40 you outline him starting in week 3

Holy hell.

It's just information overload. For the longest time I was convinced you start PCS on day one. More recently I learned that it's best to start it in week three. But I had a momentary lapse. Yes, week three of PCT is the time to start PCS. Boy do I feel stupid right now

Past few days my brain's been consumed with trying to figure out whether or not I need to use an AI in addition to a SERM + test booster + PCS. Valid arguments on from both camps so having trouble making heads or tails of it.

Originally Posted by Jim Nasium

Thanks mane! Btw no homo but you got some sick abs dude. Did you use a fat burner to chisel them out like that? What kind of ab workouts do you employ?

Diet, cardio and alot of core exercises. Deadlifts, Squats. I only have a 4 pack though

Originally Posted by MrBigPR

Diet, cardio and alot of core exercises. Deadlifts, Squats. I only have a 4 pack though

Sounds good I did some football drills the other day and man, I was huffin and puffin like crazy. I can throw up all the weight in the world in the gym but it's funny how when it comes to the real deal athleticism I'm horribly out of shape..

Speakin of squats and deads man I gotta tell you I've been neglectin my legs lately. This can't be good right, especially on cycle? Can somebody hit me with some motivation to work my legs in the gym please?

What kind of motivation do you need? GET ON IT!

Originally Posted by Jim Nasium

Sounds good I did some football drills the other day and man, I was huffin and puffin like crazy. I can throw up all the weight in the world in the gym but it's funny how when it comes to the real deal athleticism I'm horribly out of shape..

Speakin of squats and deads man I gotta tell you I've been neglectin my legs lately. This can't be good right, especially on cycle? Can somebody hit me with some motivation to work my legs in the gym please?

WHAAAAAA????

You're on cycle and you're not doing the two most important lifts?????

That's insane. Those are staples. You should ALWAYS be doing them on cycle or not. I can't imagine being on cycle and not doing squats or deads. Get on it man, you're almost defeating the purpose of the cycle.

You have to do those movements. HAVE TO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by MrBigPR

What kind of motivation do you need? GET ON IT!

Yea exactly, that should work thanks!

Originally Posted by LAGear

WHAAAAAA????

You're on cycle and you're not doing the two most important lifts?????

That's insane. Those are staples. You should ALWAYS be doing them on cycle or not. I can't imagine being on cycle and not doing squats or deads. Get on it man, you're almost defeating the purpose of the cycle.

Thanks I needed a pep talk, appreciate it broham.

Originally Posted by MrBigPR

You have to do those movements. HAVE TO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's going down...Wednesday it is. You guys provided me with exactly what I needed a little kick in the @$$ and I'm grateful for it, peace!

Don't be a b*tch.