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You guys helped me with HDROL, SO.....??

Harland

Harland

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I asked this in the other forum, but i didn't really get any CEL reps chiming in, and you guys helped me with hdrol ?'s and that made me really want to stick to your products alone, sort of a long term customer.

Alright I've been searching for about 5 months now, since JAN after a cycle of Hdrol 5 weeks, on what my next cycle would be. I'm probably going to start the cycle in a couple weeks/month, i'm not in a real hurry to start, but the total OFF time would be at least good 125 days.

So what I'm looking for now, is just pure mass, i mean pure size, i could give a **** about pumps, lean ness, etc. as all usually go away after cycle anyway.

now I've spent some time getting down in bodyfat, i would say i sit at 200-221 at 9% right now. I'm going to be lifting heavy leading up to the cycle, So i hope to stay about the same bodyfat and be at least 223 before i start.

day 1-7 mdrol 10mgs
day 8-21 mdrol 20mgs
day 15-21 priovon 25mgs (this is depending if i feel estrogen related sides, or libido)
day 22-35 nolva 20mgs

I will of course have all the extra ****, and will be doing high protein, i get 300g now, so im going to shoot for 350-400, and a lot of good fats, that's how i grow the best, then base carbs on energy and fillers.

so here is my question..... would 21 days of MDROL be my best bet for gaining size? I've looked into many other possibilities, from pplex alone, to pplex bridge hdrol/xtren/estane, or estane/tren or pplex/xtren stack, etc.

I know every cycle can't be perfect, and i know there a lot of threads on this, believe me i have searched...

i guess if anybody else could chyme in on some measurement gains they achieved, as weight gain is not a true indicator of size, id really appreciate it.
 
I would maybe go epi instead of mdrol... Milder on sides and can run longer and easier recovery 30/30/30-40/30-40 can go 5-6 wks but if gains level off just cut it off and start pct
 
I would maybe go epi instead of mdrol... Milder on sides and can run longer and easier recovery 30/30/30-40/30-40 can go 5-6 wks but if gains level off just cut it off and start pct
 
Liftingstud said:
I would maybe go epi instead of mdrol... Milder on sides and can run longer and easier recovery 30/30/30-40/30-40 can go 5-6 wks but if gains level off just cut it off and start pct
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i have supporting supps to help with some sides and i can deal with the others, im looking to try and put on some size.
 
Go with the m-drol bro. I gained 22 lbs in about three weeks. Did 10 mg's first three days then bumped to 20/20/30. Three weeks should be all you need.
 
wesb2387 said:
Go with the m-drol bro. I gained 22 lbs in about three weeks. Did 10 mg's first three days then bumped to 20/20/30. Three weeks should be all you need.
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im actually thinking about doing some pplex now, little less sides, from what i hear, maybe see how that goes.
 
Harland said:
i have supporting supps to help with some sides and i can deal with the others, im looking to try and put on some size.
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Epi can put on size too and easier to keep gains due to the fact they are over 5 weeks and not 3 weeks. I did epi and tren put on 16lbs in 4.5 weeks and kept all of it. Strength was great.
 
mw1 said:
You will put on more size w/ 3 weeks of Mdrol-- but i still prefer 4 or 5 weeks of PP over Mdrol. Sides are alot less w/ proper supporting supps
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yeah im actually leaning towards doing a cycle very close to one of your reps did...
 
Harland said:
the pplex/estane bridge
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He actually did a PP/E-stane /11oxo bridge (the same as i did) with great results. If i did it over again i would substitute the 11oxo(which gets expensive) with Topical Form. With taurine and Cycle Assist my sides were pretty much non-existent.


...by the way both of us used 6oxo and PCT Assist with continued gains in PCT
 
thanks for the response, yeah im still on the edge about the 11oxo, and maybe cortisol rebound, but im deff want to run the pplex/estane, i had some gyno flare with hdrol, in week 5 i had some itch, and in beginning of week 6 i had soreness, real tender to the touch.

i will have two bottles of cycle support, and plenty of taurine, going to run both throughout. what would you suggest for something as far as maybe keeping estrogen a little low, or keeping the risk of gyno flare low. Since i know a slight prone to it??? is this were the topical form could come in?

so my plan looks like this

pplex 20/30/30/30
estane 0/0/20/30/30/30
if 11oxo 0/0/0/0/0/0/6/6/6

What about supress-c? maybe as a bridge? 0/0/0/0/0/0/c/c/c/PCT? or 0/0/0/0/0/c/PCT+c/etc.

then pct would be

clomid 50/?50?/0/0/0
nolva 20/20/20/10/?10?

thanks again for the help, still putting everything together, and its great to get advice from you guys, deff a customer for life.
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
I was going to suggest the Suppress-C instead of the 11OXO portion.
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exactly what im going to do.. still figuring out the timing of it though :D

pplex 20/30/30/40
estane 0/0/20/30/30/40
formestane 0/0/75/75/50/50/into pct
then pct would be either
nolva 20/20/20/10 on
or clomg and novla combo.
and of course the supress c, either day one or after a while.
 
Harland said:
exactly what im going to do.. still figuring out the timing of it though :D

pplex 20/30/30/40
estane 0/0/20/30/30/40
formestane 0/0/75/75/50/50/into pct
then pct would be either
nolva 20/20/20/10 on
or clomg and novla combo.
and of course the supress c, either day one or after a while.
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I would do it from day one with that type bridge but some may disagree
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
I would do it from day one with that type bridge but some may disagree
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the formestane or the suppress C


i can understand the suppress C

but if the formestane? then should i go lower and stay consistent throughout? say 50-75mg?

by the way, looking forward to doing this, 2 bottles of cycle assist, 1 pplex, 1 estane, 1 formestane, 1 suppress C, sound like heaven :D
 
ok then after all is said in done, does this look live heaven or what?

pplex 20/30/30/40/0/0/0/0/0/0
estane 0/0/20/30/30/40/0/0/0/0
form 0/0/100/100/75/50/50/50/0/0 or form 0/0/75/75/75/75/75/50/0/0
nolva 0/0/0/0/0/0/20/20/20/10/?10?
Supress C 0/0/0/0/0/0/0/4squirts/4/4/2/2
cycle assist 2 bottles, rec. dose = 60 total days. prob start one week before cycle start.

nolva can be changed to clomid have both.
 
Harland said:
the formestane or the suppress C


i can understand the suppress C

but if the formestane? then should i go lower and stay consistent throughout? say 50-75mg?

by the way, looking forward to doing this, 2 bottles of cycle assist, 1 pplex, 1 estane, 1 formestane, 1 suppress C, sound like heaven :D
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I was referring to the Suppress-C. I think you have the Topical Formestane set up the right way
 
Harland said:
ok then after all is said in done, does this look live heaven or what?

pplex 20/30/30/40/0/0/0/0/0/0
estane 0/0/20/30/30/40/0/0/0/0
form 0/0/100/100/75/50/50/50/0/0 or form 0/0/75/75/75/75/75/50/0/0
nolva 0/0/0/0/0/0/20/20/20/10/?10?
Supress C 0/0/0/0/0/0/0/4squirts/4/4/2/2
cycle assist 2 bottles, rec. dose = 60 total days. prob start one week before cycle start.

nolva can be changed to clomid have both.
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Like said in the other thread, this cycle can be done w/OTC pct and you want have the crappy sides from the serm
 
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