Poll: Are you interested in IBE's Reverse?

IBE Reverse: What do you think?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by corsaking;
    The food sources you have quoted, meat fish and poultry i would have thought would be on everyones shopping list as they are main sources of protein and consequently a source of B12.
    B12 is also available in milk and eggs . Meal replacement products also have a mix of vitamins and minerals of which Vit B complex is a part.I see a place for a good VIT B complex supplement but this can be bought from a health food store at a reasonable price.
    Let's not ignore your original comment that triggered my response. You wrote: "If you have money to spare by all means buy this product, but for those with a limited budget to spend on supplements , like myself , I would rather spend it on something that has a direct impact on building muscle. I dont see this product relates directly to bodybuilding and is more suited to the general health section of the health food store."

    My contribution argued against that standpoint.

    Talking about meat, poultry, and fish, believe it or not, there are bodybuilders that do not eat these. Furthermore, it is not what you eat, but how much you absorb that counts. If we could get all of our vitamins from diet and meal replacement products, why do we need multivitamin supplements? As it turns out, we need multivitamin supplements, and vitamin-B12 is one of those vitamins that should be taken in the most bioavailable form available.

    Quote Originally Posted by corsaking;
    Nutritionists will tell you that a good balanced diet will provide all the vitamins and minerals we need yet we continue to buy these supplements.
    This is propaganda! It is naive to suggest that multivitamin supplements are superfluous. The same nutritionists also told us we need only about 100mg of vitamin c daily. Still, Nobel Prizes have been awarded for the insight that we need several grammes daily, and even more in stress situations.

    Take your logic far enough, and bodybuilders do not need any supplements. Just food. The same nutritionists would probably also suggest that bodybuilders do not need supplemental creatine, because they get enough methionine, glycine and arginine, from their diets to synthesize creatine.

    Quote Originally Posted by corsaking;
    To go back to your point on being in sound physical health,we all have our set backs , whether its a common cold, sore throat, sprain , etc and during training these will continue to occur .Buying this product is not in my view going to stop those set backs If there are those of us who have continued to train in whatever sport who can tackle a training session week in week out by ensuring their diet and rest is adequate to meet their needs, then in my view supplementing with this product would be superfluous to their needs
    Again, using your logic here (marked bold) suggests all supplements are superfluous. Most would have a problem with your argument.
    No one has said a product such as IBE Reverse would cure all ills. Such a product can only help give informed and open-minded bodybuilders and users an edge in achieving their goals more effectively.


  2. The product looks great and well researched. I am looking forward to giving it a try.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by corsaking View Post
    If you have money to spare by all means buy this product, but for those with a limited budget to spend on supplements , like myself , I would rather spend it on something that has a direct impact on building muscle.
    ah, impetuous Youth!
    Quote Originally Posted by corsaking View Post
    I dont see this product relates directly to bodybuilding and is more suited to the general health section of the health food store.
    and this is a problem...why?
    Quote Originally Posted by corsaking View Post
    Judging from what Ive read above , the marketing ploy seems to be to convince those of us that are gullible , that we are likely to be B12 deficient and send alarm bells ringing by mentioning Alzheimer's disease
    Guess you know as much about marketing as you do about nutrition.

  4. I am not suggesting all supplements are superflous .You have assumed that.Diet encompasses not only food but also supplements.If the current supplement regime of an individual is adequate and provides enough support to maintain good health and training needs already , then why would you want to or need to buy this product.

    You also seem to be widening the argument( Nobel prizes-vitc)

    If vitamin /mineral supplements were essential to life then health food stores would be as busy as a petrol station on a motorway This is just not the case . I accept that there is a demand for such supplements from the general public but its not the majority

    My answer to your point on poor absorbtion of food would be to supplement your meal with a digestive enzyme.

    Whats not clear is just how long this version of B12 remains in the body compared with "conventional "B12.Why hasnt the company made all the vitamins in the B complex more bioavailable? The B vitamins are water soluble so i would suspect that after digestion , 3 hours later it will be excreted out of the body.

    I go back to my original point -if you have a limited budget and your prime goal is building muscle and your perfectly satisfied with your diet and current supplement regime which has supported you in health and training , then i see no need to try this product

  5. Quote Originally Posted by BodyWizard View Post
    ah, impetuous Youth!

    and this is a problem...why?

    Guess you know as much about marketing as you do about nutrition.

    Anything constructive to say that would be useful in this debate?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by corsaking View Post
    Judging from what Ive read above , the marketing ploy seems to be to convince those of us that are gullible , that we are likely to be B12 deficient and send alarm bells ringing by mentioning Alzheimer's disease.Sorry but i see no place for this product amongst my supplements
    Gullible? Why would we be marketing to the gullible? We have nothing to hide. In fact the main reason for the B12 is to add in some energy to the mix. A lot of people wanted a non stimulant energy booster and the glutathione attached is a nice addition for a health supplement.

    But by no means are we attempting to be deceptive. We never said this supplement is the next big muscle builder. But I will go on record saying it is one of the most potent and innovative anti-aging/health supplements I have seen around. But to each their own, I respect that, everyone has different goals .
    PharmD

  7. I owned a supplement store for a few years and I can tell you that I was very busy selling Health related supplements.

    Most bodybuilders do care about their health and buy supplements to improve or sustain good health. I have no clue why you assume they don't.

    The nutritionist I know do recommended supplements and are always researching new ones, they believe they help.

    Also, the poll seems to say that at least around here, Bodybuilders are interested in this type of product.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by bkprice View Post
    I owned a supplement store for a few years and I can tell you that I was very busy selling Health related supplements.

    Most bodybuilders do care about their health and buy supplements to improve or sustain good health. I have no clue why you assume they don't.

    The nutritionist I know do recommended supplements and are always researching new ones, they believe they help.

    Also, the poll seems to say that at least around here, Bodybuilders are interested in this type of product.
    Thanks for the input, that is interesting! Why didn't you stick in the business?
    PharmD

  9. I had two partners, one that didnt want to work but once a week and the other decided to fall off the wagon and started drinking like a fish, things got crazy. After awhile, the place just wasnt fun anymore, so we parted ways.
  10. Thumbs up


    Well I for one want to thank you for posting this up. I know it is related to an end commercial product but that is great as far as I'm concerned. Most people want that...

    I always learn from Lake & Strategic. They don't need me to toot their whistle but they contribute a lot of knowledge to this board and people are free to digest it and incorporate it into their own base of knowledge or use it as a jumping off point for further study.

    Lake I knew nothing about Glutathionylcobalamin until I read this thread. I use an injectable form BUT I have a lot of people that want to use an equivalent oral form.

    I looked at the one study that demonstrated equivalency and it turns out the FDA makes them put in their study a vague statement that turns out to mean "we the FDA view this study as paid advertising".

    So I thank you because this little nugget of knowledge will have real practical value in my corner of the world.

    Secondly I have not yet spent the time I need to studying Resveratrol. Strategic gave us a solid look at Resveratrol and I am grateful to him for sure.

    From what I gather so far from studies is that it may mimic the "calorie restriction-effect" that has been shown to extend lifespan. I never wanted to look like Roy Walford (the human who has been on calorie-restriction the longest) but I sure would like to push my lifespan out further.

    So thank you for posting on Triacetylated Resveratrol. We are talking about a compound that could potentialy extend lifespan and some guy makes a derogatory post in this thread.

    I just wanted Strategic & Lake to know I appreciate them and their posts and that this thread has very real value to me. Thanks guys.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by datBtrue View Post
    Well I for one want to thank you for posting this up. I know it is related to an end commercial product but that is great as far as I'm concerned. Most people want that...

    I always learn from Lake & Strategic. They don't need me to toot their whistle but they contribute a lot of knowledge to this board and people are free to digest it and incorporate it into their own base of knowledge or use it as a jumping off point for further study.

    Lake I knew nothing about Glutathionylcobalamin until I read this thread. I use an injectable form BUT I have a lot of people that want to use an equivalent oral form.

    I looked at the one study that demonstrated equivalency and it turns out the FDA makes them put in their study a vague statement that turns out to mean "we the FDA view this study as paid advertising".

    So I thank you because this little nugget of knowledge will have real practical value in my corner of the world.

    Secondly I have not yet spent the time I need to studying Resveratrol. Strategic gave us a solid look at Resveratrol and I am grateful to him for sure.

    From what I gather so far from studies is that it may mimic the "calorie restriction-effect" that has been shown to extend lifespan. I never wanted to look like Roy Walford (the human who has been on calorie-restriction the longest) but I sure would like to push my lifespan out further.

    So thank you for posting on Triacetylated Resveratrol. We are talking about a compound that could potentialy extend lifespan and some guy makes a derogatory post in this thread.

    I just wanted Strategic & Lake to know I appreciate them and their posts and that this thread has very real value to me. Thanks guys.
    Really nice post! Thanks a lot!
    PharmD

  12. Quote Originally Posted by datBtrue View Post
    Well I for one want to thank you for posting this up. I know it is related to an end commercial product but that is great as far as I'm concerned. Most people want that...

    I always learn from Lake & Strategic. They don't need me to toot their whistle but they contribute a lot of knowledge to this board and people are free to digest it and incorporate it into their own base of knowledge or use it as a jumping off point for further study.

    Lake I knew nothing about Glutathionylcobalamin until I read this thread. I use an injectable form BUT I have a lot of people that want to use an equivalent oral form.

    I looked at the one study that demonstrated equivalency and it turns out the FDA makes them put in their study a vague statement that turns out to mean "we the FDA view this study as paid advertising".

    So I thank you because this little nugget of knowledge will have real practical value in my corner of the world.

    Secondly I have not yet spent the time I need to studying Resveratrol. Strategic gave us a solid look at Resveratrol and I am grateful to him for sure.

    From what I gather so far from studies is that it may mimic the "calorie restriction-effect" that has been shown to extend lifespan. I never wanted to look like Roy Walford (the human who has been on calorie-restriction the longest) but I sure would like to push my lifespan out further.

    So thank you for posting on Triacetylated Resveratrol. We are talking about a compound that could potentialy extend lifespan and some guy makes a derogatory post in this thread.

    I just wanted Strategic & Lake to know I appreciate them and their posts and that this thread has very real value to me. Thanks guys.
    Thanks! I am sure I speak for many when I say you are an asset to this board!

  13. Looking at the poll its worded in such a way that its bias towards IBE REVERSE. Most of us will spend money on a supplement (s) whether it be creatine , no2 product or a vit/min supplement.To say "Definitely! This is honestly the most novel combination of ingredients available!" then give an alternative of "Not so much, I don't really care about health supplements."is too extreme. What you should be asking is would you buy this product?" then provide answers of" yes, maybe , or no." The choice of answers then would provide a better picture for you as a company on its sales potential.

  14. so when can we order it?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by corsaking View Post
    Looking at the poll its worded in such a way that its bias towards IBE REVERSE. Most of us will spend money on a supplement (s) whether it be creatine , no2 product or a vit/min supplement.To say "Definitely! This is honestly the most novel combination of ingredients available!" then give an alternative of "Not so much, I don't really care about health supplements."is too extreme. What you should be asking is would you buy this product?" then provide answers of" yes, maybe , or no." The choice of answers then would provide a better picture for you as a company on its sales potential.
    All due respect Corsa, your problems with this thread are overblown, and extremely dramatic. The answers of the poll were to be a little sarcastic, and somewhat funny. We were not trying to bully anyone into choosing one or the other. If you have been around here awhile, then you would know everyone would be honest no matter what the wording has. If you are not concerned with this type of supplement then that is fine, you should try our Epistane, it has the "Muscle Building" properties you are looking for. This is for someone who wants to extend the quality of life, getting those SIRT1 benefits.

    The ingredients really are novel, and I hope after time, and some logs you will take REVERSE into consideration.

    Adams
    The Historic PES Legend

  16. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    \The answers of the poll were to be a little sarcastic, and somewhat funny. We were not trying to bully anyone into choosing one or the other.
    Haha exactly. If I were a pharmaceutical company you might want to be worried or you could call it biased but it is more of a fun poll than anything else. I understand you may like health supplements and still not want to buy reverse. In that case one just doesn't have to vote . Cheer up
    PharmD

  17. How is the anti-aging crowd responding to the added ingredients? I know you threw the new version of res at the immst guys and they werent to accepting of it (hey its new there are gonna be critics).

    Fitnecise has posted a lot of not such positive info on res. He's fairly respected, have you seen his thoughts on res by chance? Personally I'm not sold on res for a few reasons but that doesnt mean I'm expelling it as a good supplement.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    How is the anti-aging crowd responding to the added ingredients? I know you threw the new version of res at the immst guys and they werent to accepting of it (hey its new there are gonna be critics).

    Fitnecise has posted a lot of not such positive info on res. He's fairly respected, have you seen his thoughts on res by chance? Personally I'm not sold on res for a few reasons but that doesnt mean I'm expelling it as a good supplement.
    Whenever there is someone out there talking something up there will be someone else talking it down. You could go into the positive and negative aspects of molecules all day long. There is no such thing as a perfect molecule. Everything has positives and negatives. It is that positive to negative ratio as well as the benefit:cost ratio that you look at. For instance resveratrol is showing amazing promise in the area of anti-aging. If a researcher later that year found resveratrol to have NO anti-estrogen effects would that prevent you from buying it? Maybe some, but I on the other hand am not looking for those benefits anyways, so it wouldn't matter. The studies he has posted are very exact from what I remember (I will have to go back and look) and it is sort of a micromanaging viewpoint. I could pick out a bunch of things that is bad with methylhexamine, probably more bad than good lol, but I will continue to use it because I feel I get more benefit than there are costs (not just monetary costs). All in all there really isn't another compound right now that has this much promise and that is why we are sticking with it. Until multiple researchers produce accurate results that proves the other studies wrong and when big pharma abandons it then maybe it is time to go another direction. Lets just say we are nowhere near that point right now.
    PharmD

  19. In truth, this product is better then most out there to date. If you want to slow aging, improve sex drive, drop your levels of estrogen, decrease heart disease, increase anti-oxidant levels then this product is a good choice. The anti-aging market is going to well surpass anything related to just bodybuilding.

    Hell, if you developed a affiliate program, I bet you would make one hell of a profit of this. This product really puts forward some of the best choices out there with research to back it.

  20. In defense of Lake, I didn't get the feeling his post about Alzheimer's was directed at scaring us into buying IBE's new fangled B-12 rather, I read it as a positive endorsement of Glut-B12's ability to reduce free radicals and inflammation. Basically, anything that reduces inflammation in the body is a good thing and translates into health benefits IMO.

    Now, if you are a BBer with Alzheimer's..then yes, run right out and buy this supplement. lol

  21. Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    In defense of Lake, I didn't get the feeling his post about Alzheimer's was directed at scaring us into buying IBE's new fangled B-12 rather, I read it as a positive endorsement of Glut-B12's ability to reduce free radicals and inflammation. Basically, anything that reduces inflammation in the body is a good thing and translates into health benefits IMO.

    Now, if you are a BBer with Alzheimer's..then yes, run right out and buy this supplement. lol
    Yeah, I went back and read that section and I can understand where he is coming from, however, you have to write about SOMETHING and that is one of the positive benefits of it so of course we are going to say it .
    PharmD

  22. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    so when can we order it?
    Bump for answer

  23. Quote Originally Posted by LakeMountD View Post
    ...All in all there really isn't another compound right now that has this much promise and that is why we are sticking with it...
    I agree. Based on currently available information, Resveratrol appears hard to match in terms of deep cellular regeneration and anti-aging potentials.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by LakeMountD View Post
    It was a group effort .

    As for the references, I do have them, but as I have been telling people my computer crashed over a month ago and I lose EVERYTHING so it has been frustrating to go back and find a years worth of stuff.
    Lake, what happened to you at ProMuscle? don't see ya there anymore.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by alan1973 View Post
    Lake, what happened to you at ProMuscle? don't see ya there anymore.
    I haven't really been around many boards lately honestly. I used to go over there but it seemed it was mainly a ster. discussion board.
    PharmD
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