IBE Reverse: What do you think?
- 07-20-2008, 07:41 PM
But by no means are we attempting to be deceptive. We never said this supplement is the next big muscle builder. But I will go on record saying it is one of the most potent and innovative anti-aging/health supplements I have seen around. But to each their own, I respect that, everyone has different goals .PharmD
- 07-20-2008, 07:49 PM
I owned a supplement store for a few years and I can tell you that I was very busy selling Health related supplements.
Most bodybuilders do care about their health and buy supplements to improve or sustain good health. I have no clue why you assume they don't.
The nutritionist I know do recommended supplements and are always researching new ones, they believe they help.
Also, the poll seems to say that at least around here, Bodybuilders are interested in this type of product.
- 07-20-2008, 07:52 PM
07-20-2008, 10:01 PM
I had two partners, one that didnt want to work but once a week and the other decided to fall off the wagon and started drinking like a fish, things got crazy. After awhile, the place just wasnt fun anymore, so we parted ways.
07-20-2008, 10:16 PM
Well I for one want to thank you for posting this up. I know it is related to an end commercial product but that is great as far as I'm concerned. Most people want that...
I always learn from Lake & Strategic. They don't need me to toot their whistle but they contribute a lot of knowledge to this board and people are free to digest it and incorporate it into their own base of knowledge or use it as a jumping off point for further study.
Lake I knew nothing about Glutathionylcobalamin until I read this thread. I use an injectable form BUT I have a lot of people that want to use an equivalent oral form.
I looked at the one study that demonstrated equivalency and it turns out the FDA makes them put in their study a vague statement that turns out to mean "we the FDA view this study as paid advertising".
So I thank you because this little nugget of knowledge will have real practical value in my corner of the world.
Secondly I have not yet spent the time I need to studying Resveratrol. Strategic gave us a solid look at Resveratrol and I am grateful to him for sure.
From what I gather so far from studies is that it may mimic the "calorie restriction-effect" that has been shown to extend lifespan. I never wanted to look like Roy Walford (the human who has been on calorie-restriction the longest) but I sure would like to push my lifespan out further.
So thank you for posting on Triacetylated Resveratrol. We are talking about a compound that could potentialy extend lifespan and some guy makes a derogatory post in this thread.
I just wanted Strategic & Lake to know I appreciate them and their posts and that this thread has very real value to me. Thanks guys.
07-20-2008, 10:50 PM
07-21-2008, 04:36 AM
07-21-2008, 06:19 AM
Looking at the poll its worded in such a way that its bias towards IBE REVERSE. Most of us will spend money on a supplement (s) whether it be creatine , no2 product or a vit/min supplement.To say "Definitely! This is honestly the most novel combination of ingredients available!" then give an alternative of "Not so much, I don't really care about health supplements."is too extreme. What you should be asking is would you buy this product?" then provide answers of" yes, maybe , or no." The choice of answers then would provide a better picture for you as a company on its sales potential.
07-21-2008, 10:49 AM
07-21-2008, 11:57 AM
The ingredients really are novel, and I hope after time, and some logs you will take REVERSE into consideration.
The Historic PES Legend
07-21-2008, 02:07 PM
07-21-2008, 02:12 PM
How is the anti-aging crowd responding to the added ingredients? I know you threw the new version of res at the immst guys and they werent to accepting of it (hey its new there are gonna be critics).
Fitnecise has posted a lot of not such positive info on res. He's fairly respected, have you seen his thoughts on res by chance? Personally I'm not sold on res for a few reasons but that doesnt mean I'm expelling it as a good supplement.
07-21-2008, 02:23 PM
07-21-2008, 03:22 PM
In truth, this product is better then most out there to date. If you want to slow aging, improve sex drive, drop your levels of estrogen, decrease heart disease, increase anti-oxidant levels then this product is a good choice. The anti-aging market is going to well surpass anything related to just bodybuilding.
Hell, if you developed a affiliate program, I bet you would make one hell of a profit of this. This product really puts forward some of the best choices out there with research to back it.
07-21-2008, 05:00 PM
In defense of Lake, I didn't get the feeling his post about Alzheimer's was directed at scaring us into buying IBE's new fangled B-12 rather, I read it as a positive endorsement of Glut-B12's ability to reduce free radicals and inflammation. Basically, anything that reduces inflammation in the body is a good thing and translates into health benefits IMO.
Now, if you are a BBer with Alzheimer's..then yes, run right out and buy this supplement. lol
07-21-2008, 05:21 PM
07-21-2008, 05:47 PM
07-22-2008, 04:06 AM
07-22-2008, 07:02 AM
07-22-2008, 09:47 AM
07-22-2008, 10:38 PM
I may try it again, but I hope I do not get disappointed again.
if you have suggestions regarding it, let me know.
Lake, it is wasn't for for you, I may not have ever considered PHs or PSs. So I appreciate that.
BTW, this Reverse...sounds like it would be best if taken with a Multi. Am I right?
07-23-2008, 06:21 AM
Although the word emits a negative connotation, FATS are essential to good health and consuming a fair amount of high quality fats is critical to reducing inflammation in the body.
Most omega-6 fats, found in margarine and corn and safflower oils, are inflammation-causing substances. In contrast omega-3 fats, found in fish (wild salmon, mackerel, sardines and anchovies especially) and vegetables, have an inflammation-suppressing effect.
Gamma-linolenic acid (GLA) is an omega-6 fat that enhances the anti- inflammatory effect of omega-3 fats. Both GLA and omega-3 fish oils have been found helpful in arthritis and other inflammatory disorders. GLA is found in leafy green vegetables, olive oil, walnut oil, sunflower oil, soybean oil, canola oil, avocados, nut butters and macadamia nuts and (again) have anti-inflammatory properties.
When it comes to getting good fats, I highly recommend taking a high quality fish oil ever day. This can do wonders for your long-term health!
One of the reasons inflammation occurs is from a rapid rise in blood sugar, which causes biochemical changes in the cell. Staying away from sugar and high-glycemic (simple) carbohydrates, which the body rapidly converts to sugar, is one of the best ways to decrease inflammation.
When blood sugar goes up rapidly, sugar can attach itself to collagen in a process called “glycosylation,” or the Browning Reaction, increasing inflammation
Good (complex) carbohydrates, which are low on the glycemic index include: apples, apsaragus, beans, broccoli, blackberries, blueberries, cabbage, cantaloupe, citrus fruits, green beans, honeydew melon, kiwi, leafy greens, peaches, pears, plums, raspberries, spinach, strawberries
Bad (simple) carbohydrates, which are high on the glycemic index include: bananas, breads, carrots, cereals processed with added sugar, corn, French fries, fruit juices, mangos, pancakes, papaya, pasta, peas, popcorn, white potatoes, white rice, sugar, waffles.
07-23-2008, 06:51 AM
That article shamefully was "derived" almost directly from a 2002 article entitled "The Inflammation Syndrome" by Jack Challem. Todd failed to reference the article as his source just as you failed to reference him.
The original appeared in "Great Life magazine".
There's no need to pass off someone elses work as your own bro. I don't use the Rep system here but if you are that desperate for acknowledgement let me know and I'll "rep" you.
I ask that you not respond to this post and that you clutter this thread no more.
Thank you bro.
07-23-2008, 07:55 AM
Hardluck im replying. The piece was not intended to be passed on as my work. Fish oil(OMEGA 3) is antiflammatory -do you not accept that? Similarly GLA . This was just one reference i picked from searching on Google "reducing inflammation in the body" The knowledge is already out there,it only needs sourcing and it doesnt need a new product to convince people that reducing inflammation is important.
Also I am not your bro and i dont need anyinput from you
everyone has a right to Freedom of speech -consequently i will continue to have an input in whatever forum.
07-23-2008, 09:04 AM
BTW Freedom of speech does not give license to plagiarize.
07-23-2008, 10:44 AM
[everyone has a right to Freedom of speech -consequently i will continue to have an input in whatever forum.]
Not if they ban you from the forum. You have no rights here. The owner of the board ALLOWS us to post. He owns it. The constitution does not apply here.
07-23-2008, 11:04 AM
"Evolutionary Aspects of Diet, the Omega-6/Omega-3 Ratio, and Gene Expression" by Artemis P. Simopoulos back in March at:
Evolutionary Aspects of Diet, the Omega-6/Omega-3 Ratio, and Gene Expression
as well as "Omega-3 Fatty Acids and Other Polyunsaturated Fatty Acids and Weight Control" by M. Sörhede Winzell and B. Ahrén, Lund University, Sweden in that very same thread.
07-23-2008, 11:30 AM
07-23-2008, 11:46 AM
When you post a piece of information like you did above without giving a cite of where you got it from, it is often thought of as the poster's thought/opinion ec. You do not have to 'claim' anything. You only need to make it seem as it's your own. Even if it doesn't fall under plagiarism, you still need to acknowledge the source of information when it isn't your own.
07-23-2008, 11:52 AM
Everyone has a right to freedom of speech outside of this forum and in the United States but the owner of this forum has their rules and not following those rules will get you a ticket out of here.
You can feel free to reference the First Amendment all you want but it does not live here.
Why yes they did... Do they now?did they have schools way back?
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