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02-16-2013, 03:57 PM
When I did keto, all I ate was eggs and meats and the occasional shot of heavy cream... I didn't have any salad or fibrous veggies like some keto diets say to. Then once every 5th or 6th day I would have a carb MEAL not day, meal. With no more than 50 grams... I dropped significant bf in 3 weeks time, after Which my stomach was just torn apart by the acidity and I started looking and feeling like crap, so I slowly added in fruits n veggies
Point being- took me ~72 hours to reach ketosis and I was using my gda for meals as well
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Just realized I won, can't wait for the products.
Wish I would've got my phone in time to take a picture of my stack for the contest but oh well.
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I am going to finish reading this book and hopefully have aome success with the method. I am just worried that it may mess with my energy when I go back to work this week. Wonder if the diet could be utilized during a leangains IF protocol?
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02-17-2013, 11:26 AM
" Lyle attributes the roots and the early research to Mauro Dipasquale, even says so in his book. They spout the same info, which is legit.
^^ Thats why i said the information is very well written because he added his research + those of others, The reason its 200 pages is because it has a ton of great information not only on Keto, but also what Keto can do to the body, and what its benefits/negatives can also supply as well.
I guess suggesting a book is "Ignorant" towards a keto diet. But like i said if you find an alternative and you prefer it by all means rock it out, Keto is going to vary depending on a TKD/CKD etc, so you could put a twist on it but in the end if you get results. Rock it out. Research which has been done is a learning tool to why people study it and what the benefits can offer with their time in the lab/research on given diets and how they can vary from individual to individual given their goal and how they respond to different macronutrients
"Training is initiated on an empty stomach and after ingestion of 10 g BCAA or similar amino acid mixture. This "pre-workout" meal is not counted towards the feeding phase. Technically, training is not completely fasted - that would be detrimental. The pre-workout protein intake, with its stimulatory effect on protein synthesis and metabolism, is a crucial compromise to optimize results. The 8-hour feeding phase starts with the post-workout meal."
****** No calories are to be ingested during the fasted phase, though coffee, calorie free sweeteners, diet soda and sugar free gum are ok (even though they might contain trace amount of calories). A tiny splash of milk in your coffee won’t affect anything either (½-1 teaspoon of milk per cup at the most - use sparingly and sensibly if you drink a lot of coffee). Neither will sugar free gum in moderation (~20 g).***
People sometimes ask me which protocol is best. I tend to look at things from a behavioral perspective first and foremost, so my reply to that is to choose the protocol best suited to your daily routine and training preferences. When dealing with clients I make the choice for them. If you work a 9-5 job and your only option is to train after work, training fasted is generally a bad idea and I always choose the one or two meals pre-workout protocol.
^^ From Martin's site and the leangains guide, i think the BCAA during the fast would illicit a protein response of BCAA's instantly entering the system not really making it a fasting period, the reason for the BCAA prior to workout on a fasted state it because you have had no food for quite some time so training after 14-16 hours or so of fasting would not be "Optimal" to his standards, but that would have to be something addressed to him via an email for a further response IMO. Just a generic stab at what he may have to say.
02-17-2013, 11:36 AM
Example: workout at 0600- 10g pre wo, then 10g at 0800, 10g at 1000, and 10g at 1200 for a feeding window that begins at 1400.
Seems like a lot of BCAA's.
i have been debating on making my window like 9-1500 or something so I can eat sooner after my workout.
02-17-2013, 11:53 AM
I actually don't use bcaa during my fast
Or pre workout :/
I still make gains and increase my strength.. But I often wonder if not ingesting bcaa PRE is lessening my results and performance from maximal...
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02-17-2013, 01:36 PM
Random question. So I am doing leangains protocol, with a feeding period 12-8 or 2-8. This is about the 4th week or so.
I am freezing. I mean I am cold almost all of the time. I know my resting heart rate is low, but that shold not cause this.
This is definitely something that has started in the last couple of weeks.
I eat 2187 calories a day- 35/35/30- Pro/Carb/fat
Workout 6 days a week. Lots of water intake.
Anybody with any backround or knowledge as to why I am cold?
02-17-2013, 01:56 PM
You could also need slightly higher cals... But I'm pretty sure it's from the first thing I said
I'm on hour 32 of a 36 hour fast at the moment just felt like it was necessary, was having water retention issues and low energy... Nothing like a 36 hour fast to fix that up right quick! Going to shoot some hoops then it's chow time!
02-17-2013, 02:15 PM
Training is initiated on an empty stomach and after ingestion of 10 g BCAA or similar amino acid mixture. This "pre-workout" meal is not counted towards the feeding phase. Technically, training is not completely fasted - that would be detrimental. The pre-workout protein intake, with its stimulatory effect on protein synthesis and metabolism, is a crucial compromise to optimize results. The 8-hour feeding phase starts with the post-workout meal.
11.30-12 AM or 5-15 minutes pre-workout: 10 g BCAA
12-1 PM: Training
1 PM: Post-workout meal (largest meal of the day).
4 PM: Second meal.
9 PM: Last meal before the fast.
Calories and carbs are tapered down throughout the day in the example above.
Early morning fasted training
Here's a sample setup for a client that trains early in the morning and prefers the feeding phase at noon or later. Read this for details regarding this protocol.
6 AM: 5-15 minutes pre-workout: 10 g BCAA.
6-7 AM: Training.
8 AM: 10 g BCAA.
10 AM: 10 g BCAA
12-1 PM: The "real" post-workout meal (largest meal of the day). Start of the 8 hour feeding-window.
8-9 PM: Last meal before the fast.
For the sake of conveniency, I recommend getting BCAA in the form of powder and not tabs. Simply mix 30 g of BCAA powder in a shake and drink one third of it every other hour starting 5-15 minutes pre-workout. Tabs are cheaper, but much more of a hassle (you're going to have to pop a lot of tabs). Check my supplements guide for specific brand recommendations.
I will stop commenting because i keep getting negged by users on this thread for my input regarding the subject...
02-17-2013, 02:18 PM
Try searching on Martin's website regarding it.. this is something i did notice as well.. but then again anyone who does diet or lowers calories will get colder from long term dieting. Think about individuals in contest prep or those dieting who get towards the lower ends of their cutting periods and will be cold. Could be a hormonal thing...
Check this one. or search for hormones on his leangains page.
Intermittent Fasting, Set-Point and Leptin | Intermittent fasting diet for fat loss, muscle gain and health
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