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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    You are beyond your scope here, might want to exit stage left. You have no idea the concept of this argument.

    Information on a person was taken out of the hands of a company it voluntarily given to is a bit more problematic than receiving just an email. Especially considering PPs privacy policy states specifically who will own that information (PP). Principles go a long way.

    Reminds me of the monolog from Se7en:
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    yeah i get it...not a big deal...put a band aid over ur women parts and get over it

    it's a stupid e-mail address, you can have a million of them.....if they don't have ur ssn...then who really cares?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Young Gotti View Post
    yeah i get it...not a big deal...put a band aid over ur women parts and get over it

    it's a stupid e-mail address, you can have a million of them.....if they don't have ur ssn...then who really cares?
    You have no concept of what is lawful do you?

    Guess I would expect no less from someone who tried to make a case that 2pac was more influential to music than Pink Floyd (Man I still get a good laugh out of that).
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    You have no concept of what is lawful do you?

    Guess I would expect no less from someone who tried to make a case that 2pac was more influential to music than Pink Floyd (Man I still get a good laugh out of that).
    poor kids in a thread about the fda raiding a company...and he thinks getting an e-mail should be the matter at hand lol...son ppl break the law everyday...i got the emails from andro factory too, just unsubscribe to them...i'm not throwing a temper tandrom over some bs

    btw tupac is in the library of congress for his musical influence....pink floyd is not, case closed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Young Gotti View Post
    btw tupac is in the library of congress for his musical influence....pink floyd is not, case closed
    And we all know that what congress does is infallable. lol
    I'm sorry, but Pink Floyd had an gigantic role in driving the evolution of rock in the 70s and 80s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Young Gotti View Post
    poor kids in a thread about the fda raiding a company...and he thinks getting an e-mail should be the matter at hand lol...son ppl break the law everyday...i got the emails from andro factory too, just unsubscribe to them...i'm not throwing a temper tandrom over some bs

    btw tupac is in the library of congress for his musical influence....pink floyd is not, case closed
    Again, way out of your league little boy.

    and haha! Again, you must not know what the LOC is. A collection of books (Just incase you were wondering), meaning someone wrote a book on his influence.. but nice political twist there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Young Gotti View Post
    poor kids in a thread about the fda raiding a company...and he thinks getting an e-mail should be the matter at hand lol...son ppl break the law everyday...i got the emails from andro factory too, just unsubscribe to them...i'm not throwing a temper tandrom over some bs

    btw tupac is in the library of congress for his musical influence....pink floyd is not, case closed
    Pretty sure that has something to do with Pink Floyd being from Britain seeing as it is the US LOC. Jimi Hendrix isn't in the LOC either; are you going to argue that he had less of an influence than Tupac?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Again, way out of your league little boy.

    and haha! Again, you must not know what the LOC is. A collection of books (Just incase you were wondering), meaning someone wrote a book on his influence.. but nice political twist there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Again, way out of your league little boy.

    and haha! Again, you must not know what the LOC is. A collection of books (Just incase you were wondering), meaning someone wrote a book on his influence.. but nice political twist there.

    Keep it thug bro!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cswalczakny View Post
    let's all calm down a little here, no need for this to get all serious and personal!
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    I like talking music!

    I'm not even going to open the can of worms of one group/artist vs. another in terms of who is MORE influential, but I will say that like it or not, Tupac definitely was. I definitely don't support a majority of his music at all, but he played a pretty big role.





    I just wanted to be included lol
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    being in the supplement industry........ "they call it riding tha gravy traiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiin!"

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    all i wanna know is..... where are all da white women at?!?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b
    all i wanna know is..... where are all da white women at?!?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by p5sky View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b
    being in the supplement industry........ "they call it riding tha gravy traiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiin!"

    hustlin suckas for their dolla an their 15 cents...
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    Quote Originally Posted by p5sky

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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1

    & a black liver...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast View Post
    I like talking music!

    I'm not even going to open the can of worms of one group/artist vs. another in terms of who is MORE influential, but I will say that like it or not, Tupac definitely was. I definitely don't support a majority of his music at all, but he played a pretty big role.





    I just wanted to be included lol

    I hate rap with a passion, but 2Pac was a true pioneer and one of the greatest artists of our generation for sure. He was very gifted and offered the world a lot with his music. It's the only rap music amongst a bunch of hard rock in my Mp3 collection...



    i too just wanted to be included....lol
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    rap is crap....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Androfactory View Post
    As you all might have heard our close neighbors and friends at Primordial Performance have been raided and all of their product has been seized. We want to extend our deepest respect and remorse to their situation and assure everyone that their products are safe and legal. DHEA was not included in the Anabolic Steroid act of 2004 and all of their products are tested and legit. Members of our staff here at ANDRO FACTORY have personally worked in the purchasing, production and testing of all products PP.

    Again this is a terrible day. F the FDA, this is bull****.


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    Keeping a close eye on the situation at hand.


    As most of you know. ANDRO FACTORY is keeping a close eye on the situation at hand as BULK-UP and The Gorilla Series has a close resemblance to AndroMass from Primordial Performances AndroSeries- in dosage and compounds.

    We are confident through endless Research and Development the safety behind the products and believe the raid at PP to be due to marketing, claims and recommended dosages. We want to assure all of our customers that all ingredients at ANDRO FACTORY have been tested at an ingredient level and at final product completion within the GMP compliant manufacturing facilities used by ANDRO FACTORY (and all of these documents are on hand at our facility). Outsourcing the production of our products to large well known manufactures (multi-billion dollar establishments that put products on the shelves at every major retail store in and out of the USA) ensures AF and our customers that all GMP regulations are followed.

    Convinced that our biggest area of concern is the strong claims made within the marketing of these products we have made a few adjustments to our website. Removing statements like "equivalent to testosterone" and "Guaranteed results", ex.. These have only been removed due to the current events at Primordial Performance. You can be assured that we stand by the claims and results of our products but are unable to use that language as it seems to raise eye brows to "the intent of marketing DHEA products as a dietary supplement". We will continue to do everything in our power to remain compliant on all levels with the FDA so we can continue to provide these products for you.

    We will notify you of any other changes in the events at hand.

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    Man I missed all the fun! So just from reading the title and last two pages this is an FDA raid on rap music and how influential it is?

    Only god can judge me...

    I felt left out.
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    Email or no email...the only reasonable intention of this thread is to make money. I think it's disrespectful to PP's former employees at this point, especially to jump on it so quickly. If SNS were unexpectedly closed and Mike McCandless made a thread that very same day saying how Primaforce made similar products and that all the SNS customers can buy from him now, I'd feel pretty annoyed about it. And if they took SNS' facebook list and sent messages to all the subscribers, I'd be even more pissed.

    Point being, several members on this board (including one who has posted in this thread) poured a ton of time, energy, and emotion into a company they believed in. To exploit their unfortunate state in the name of money...that's what we call greed.

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    Wow! I feel for you guys at PP. We can't have anything good in this world anymore without the government stepping in to snatch it from us. "Phuck da Police!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    If SNS were unexpectedly closed and Mike McCandless made a thread that very same day saying how Primaforce made similar products and that all the SNS customers can buy from him now, I'd feel pretty annoyed about it.
    wait - dint mike already do that?
    oh...that was some other company he tried to vulture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Androfactory View Post
    As most of you know. ANDRO FACTORY is keeping a close eye on the situation at hand as BULK-UP and The Gorilla Series has a close resemblance to AndroMass from Primordial Performances AndroSeries- in dosage and compounds.

    We are confident through endless Research and Development the safety behind the products and believe the raid at PP to be due to marketing, claims and recommended dosages. We want to assure all of our customers that all ingredients at ANDRO FACTORY have been tested at an ingredient level and at final product completion within the GMP compliant manufacturing facilities used by ANDRO FACTORY (and all of these documents are on hand at our facility). Outsourcing the production of our products to large well known manufactures (multi-billion dollar establishments that put products on the shelves at every major retail store in and out of the USA) ensures AF and our customers that all GMP regulations are followed.

    Convinced that our biggest area of concern is the strong claims made within the marketing of these products we have made a few adjustments to our website. Removing statements like "equivalent to testosterone" and "Guaranteed results", ex.. These have only been removed due to the current events at Primordial Performance. You can be assured that we stand by the claims and results of our products but are unable to use that language as it seems to raise eye brows to "the intent of marketing DHEA products as a dietary supplement". We will continue to do everything in our power to remain compliant on all levels with the FDA so we can continue to provide these products for you.

    We will notify you of any other changes in the events at hand.

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    ^^^^^^

    androfactory really is low, like you guys would eat daa diarhea if it meant you could plug your fkn ape series, true?

    why dont you guys start your own thread? oh yeah its to piggy back on the traffic pp is creating here, shady, but smart......that is of course if you think forum members are dumb and wont see through your bs......AF by promoting in this thread are you implying that AM members are dumb? (granted i know you started the thread, but is it really yours? cmon)
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    Isn't it just business? People that are PP fans should be happy that AF is basically offering the same product, only pp product I've used is dermacrine and i was planning on trying more products in the future, but ya gotta admit with some of the stuff they were saying in advertisements they were asking for trouble, just my 2 cents
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    This thread has definitely given me reason to stay away from AF. This that sh!t I don't like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schroedes View Post
    Isn't it just business? People that are PP fans should be happy that AF is basically offering the same product, only pp product I've used is dermacrine and i was planning on trying more products in the future, but ya gotta admit with some of the stuff they were saying in advertisements they were asking for trouble, just my 2 cents
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    rap is crap....
    tell us what you think....
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    Using the moral relativism approach of "it is just business" so it is okay takes away responsibility for a classless move.

    You are right though, it is just business, but business is scandalous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    You, Venus.. or whoever needs to learn the workings of legal and the CAN-SPAM act. When a person signs up to that list, the list is owned by that business, not anyone of the employees. If PP is a LLC, Corp, or anything other than a sole proprietorship (Which I believe they are LLC), then an employee of said business has no rights to that list. You two can be damn conjoined twins, seeing as she was fired/quit PP, she had not rights to take anything from PP.

    You all can split formulas, the house, money all you want, but not a customer base in any shape or form. (Unless AF purchased PP).

    This was in direct violation of said act. So remove the condescending tone. Regardless of how many emails were blasted, 1 was to many.
    Finally someone understands this concept. If these tools aren't able to start a business without having that basic knowledge, they don't deserve to be in business.


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    So much hostility...

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    and let's change the way we treat each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast View Post
    So much hostility...

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    Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast
    So much hostility...

    You know...We gotta make a change...

    It's time for us as a people to start makin some changes.

    Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live

    and let's change the way we treat each other.

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