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[CopyCat]

Hey Guys,

I'm about to run Epistane with cycle assist, is Reboot enough for PCT?
Thanks

It could be, but one needs to remember that everyone is different. I have done a 4 wk cycle of epi with only cycle support, natty t booster, and a estro/cort product without a serm and was fine. Though I always have a serm on hand no matter what.

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[CopyCat]

Like. Seems very complete, indeed.

Been researching a lot these past 2 years and I'm thinking of running a 5 week of Hdrol 50/75/75/75/75 for my 1st PH.

I feel pretty comfortable using this with a Divanil product (divanil affects me greatly) for my PCT. (Nolva on hand just in case and support supp pre-loaded, taken throughout cycle and PCT)

Think this will do the trick in that layout?

Looks good. I have ran Hdrol only once, but in retrospect I would start at 75 from the beginning. 50 wasn't worth it. 75mg was a good spot for me as 100 made back pumps just too much for me even with supplementing taurine ( my training consists with a lot of deads back/front squats, power cleans, clean and jerks and such though so it seemed like I had bad back pumps every workout cause of it).

I like divanil as well and should complement reboot nicely IMO. if you get it from a product with a lot of other stuff in it I would be aware of what else is in it as to not add in too much more estrogen control on top of the reboot.

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[sobeguy305]

I got a bottle of Epistane and was going to run it for 4 weeks. I actually just got some Var too, I'm now thinking of running Var for either 6-8 weeks @ 40mg/ per day and throwing in some Epistane in the middle maybe week 2-6, what do you think about this? I can also get some clomids (don't want to add any "real" test, looking for a "mild" cycle and from what I hear Epistane is a good choice) let me know If this mix makes sense, looking for lean gains in size and strength.
My diet is very clean, 30 yrs old, 5 8", 170lbs 10% bf, been training for years
Thanks in advance

[sobeguy305]

Good idea, thanks

[sobeguy305]

Thought of taking Epistane for 4 weeks. I now also picked up some Var and thinking of running Var for 8 weeks @ 40 mg/day and throwing in Epistane in weeks 2-6, what do u think?
Looking to stay with orals and no dbol. Looking for lean gains and strength.
I Can get my hands on a SERM.
Epistane and Var, cycle assist, reboot and a SERM... what do u think?

[Royd The Noyd]

Looks good. I have ran Hdrol only once, but in retrospect I would start at 75 from the beginning. 50 wasn't worth it. 75mg was a good spot for me as 100 made back pumps just too much for me even with supplementing taurine ( my training consists with a lot of deads back/front squats, power cleans, clean and jerks and such though so it seemed like I had bad back pumps every workout cause of it).

I like divanil as well and should complement reboot nicely IMO. if you get it from a product with a lot of other stuff in it I would be aware of what else is in it as to not add in too much more estrogen control on top of the reboot.

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I'd agree as well. 75-100mg with halo tends to be a sweet spot for most

[mmstang33]

Just placed my order, just started my first hdrol cycle with serm on hand but wasn't able to grab a test booster/cortisol controller yet so this fits my needs perfectly!

[Royd The Noyd]

Just placed my order, just started my first hdrol cycle with serm on hand but wasn't able to grab a test booster/cortisol controller yet so this fits my needs perfectly!

Good to hear. Can't wait for you guys to start try Reboot.

[SixandaHalf]

Looks good. I have ran Hdrol only once, but in retrospect I would start at 75 from the beginning. 50 wasn't worth it. 75mg was a good spot for me as 100 made back pumps just too much for me even with supplementing taurine ( my training consists with a lot of deads back/front squats, power cleans, clean and jerks and such though so it seemed like I had bad back pumps every workout cause of it).

I like divanil as well and should complement reboot nicely IMO. if you get it from a product with a lot of other stuff in it I would be aware of what else is in it as to not add in too much more estrogen control on top of the reboot.

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Good stuff man. Thanks for the feedback and I think I will start up on 75 and see how I feel by week 4 (if I wanna go to 100). I think I'll stick with Division for my 3,4 Div because I know AX can have slight estrogen blocking affects with its other ingredients and I don't want to feel like a tin man that needs oil or shrivel up Don't think that would really happen in this case but I def agree with you.

Going to wait til end of summer I think because I definitely got acne pretty good on shoulders and back from my natty runs so I can only imagine...

[Royd The Noyd]

It's Friday! Reboot it

[dbaum2830]

No APO shipping on Forerunner Labs website = LAME!

[CopyCat]

No APO shipping on Forerunner Labs website = LAME!

Let me hit up Royd for you. I know him and the rest with FRL are big supporters of the military. I'm sure this can be taken care of.

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[CopyCat]

No APO shipping on Forerunner Labs website = LAME!

I will say this though. A polite inquiry often goes a lot further than negativity.

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[Royd The Noyd]

Sorry about that, but we can help. If you order, just input random numbers, then email your order number to the following email and we will get it to your APO. We are working on a couple of glitches. New site.

labgeek@advancedmusclesciencel ab.com

[uvawahoowa]

Thanks. We made it 6 caps a dose so people can play around with it as well. It also fits in the same size bottles as bulk and mass so we can do packaged deals that look real purty. :-)

Would this be fine for a natty athlete as a substitute for erase pro? Or is it specifically designed for a PCT?

[dbaum2830]

Didn't mean to hurt any feelings, just making an observasion. Thanks for the info Copy Cat and Royd

[CopyCat]

Didn't mean to hurt any feelings, just making an observasion. Thanks for the info Copy Cat and Royd

I know brother. All good.

Where are you stationed?

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[dbaum2830]

Ft. Hood, TX

[Royd The Noyd]

Would this be fine for a natty athlete as a substitute for erase pro? Or is it specifically designed for a PCT?

It can be used even off cycle. It will be a nice addition during hard training times, or during the winter "sick months".

[Royd The Noyd]

Quick question. I'm mid way through Geared Up Nutritions Juiced. I've done this one other time, and used Purus Labs Recycle and Reversitol as PCT. I'm thinking about picking up the Reboot from forerunner. Is that all I'll need, or should I look into more?

That's a halodrol clone, so depending on your dose you may or may not want to run it with a serm. Otherwise Reboot is fine, and is a good replacement for the two products you used in the past.

[Rebel29073]

Quick ship mine arrived yesterday thanks! Cycle is postponed until August or Sept so Ill just hold on to it until than.

[Royd The Noyd]

Quick ship mine arrived yesterday thanks! Cycle is postponed until August or Sept so Ill just hold on to it until than.

Good to hear. Post your pics when you all get your bottles in!

[Royd The Noyd]

Thanks. Do you recommend an additional test booster?

With reboot? No

[BMStricklin]

Hey Royd, I am not sure if I was able to send you a PM or not, but I tried so if you received it you can reply there.. but..

I am going to start an Alpha Mass/Bulk Cycle With Reboot .. I was told ErasePro would be a good enough SERM to use .. is this true or what would you suggest? This would be my first time on a PH cycle, how would you suggest taking these products for the best results without being tooo strong for me..

[CopyCat]

Hey Royd, I am not sure if I was able to send you a PM or not, but I tried so if you received it you can reply there.. but..

I am going to start an Alpha Mass/Bulk Cycle With Reboot .. I was told ErasePro would be a good enough SERM to use .. is this true or what would you suggest? This would be my first time on a PH cycle, how would you suggest taking these products for the best results without being tooo strong for me..

Hey brother, hope you do not mind me chiming in a little bit...

Just going to throw this out there, but I wouldn't just replace a SERM with ErasePro and walk away. Not at least without proper understanding and a solid plan.

How long of a cycle and at what dose were you considering? To SERM or not to SERM is going to be a hotly debated deal for a long time to come as it has been for a long time. In the end it will and should be your decision. It is really good to research and establish a good understanding of the compounds you are going to take, how they affect your body and how various PCT's can help. That being said for a shorter cycle like 4 weeks and not at a higher dosage like higher then the bottled recommendation it is most likely that you could use an OTC PCT. A higher dosage and longer cycle like 8 weeks you would likely want to consider a SERM. Please understand that SERMs also have their affects on the body and not all of them are truly positive. Not to say that they are inherently bad all things considered. For myself I have done 6 weeks without a SERM. I did, however, have one on hand. As I always do no matter what if I decide to try an OTC PCT. So far in my "cycling" history of prohormones I am prolly batting 50/50 on using a SERM or OTC PCT.

All that being said... ErasePro can be a solid addition to a PCT in a lot of ways. Let us know what the cycle and PCT you were thing of are like and we can continue to help ya out.

[BMStricklin]

Hey brother, hope you do not mind me chiming in a little bit...

Just going to throw this out there, but I wouldn't just replace a SERM with ErasePro and walk away. Not at least without proper understanding and a solid plan.

How long of a cycle and at what dose were you considering? To SERM or not to SERM is going to be a hotly debated deal for a long time to come as it has been for a long time. In the end it will and should be your decision. It is really good to research and establish a good understanding of the compounds you are going to take, how they affect your body and how various PCT's can help. That being said for a shorter cycle like 4 weeks and not at a higher dosage like higher then the bottled recommendation it is most likely that you could use an OTC PCT. A higher dosage and longer cycle like 8 weeks you would likely want to consider a SERM. Please understand that SERMs also have their affects on the body and not all of them are truly positive. Not to say that they are inherently bad all things considered. For myself I have done 6 weeks without a SERM. I did, however, have one on hand. As I always do no matter what if I decide to try an OTC PCT. So far in my "cycling" history of prohormones I am prolly batting 50/50 on using a SERM or OTC PCT.

All that being said... ErasePro can be a solid addition to a PCT in a lot of ways. Let us know what the cycle and PCT you were thing of are like and we can continue to help ya out.

I do not mind at all, all help is appreciated. I have tried to research this stuff as much as I can but I seem to get confused alot since I am new to this aspect of supplements. I could probably do short cycles if they are actually beneficial. I tried to look up Clomid and the only thing I can find online is generic forms of it.. is that a valid option or should I try go for the real deal?

As far as cycle I was considering doing the 11 week that Royd had posted early in this thread. Which I am assuming would require the SERM being post cycle? Again, sorry for the questions, I just get so confused with the terminology and stuff..

But I definitely wanna go AB/AM with Reboot and say 11 week cycle.. Would just adding a serm to this be what I would need?

[CopyCat]

Do me a favor and copy paste the cycle he laid out here so I can see. You sure it was 11 wks of the actual prohormones? Or was it like 11 wks including pct and all that? I say because 11 wks actually on is a long time and I would run it that long. But I suspect what he laid out includes pct in tht time frame though.

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[BMStricklin]

Yeah it is including the PCT..

[CopyCat]

Yeah it is including the PCT..

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I would follow that layout right there just as is. I would not add erase pro on top of reboot. Reboot will already be controlling estrogen and adding the erase pro could be too much estrogen control. It is also on the cusp in regards to whether or not if you want to use a serm. Again I always have one on hand just in case. Reboot should be quite effective for PCT though.

As far as generic clomid or research chemicals I have always used research chemical SERMs from online.

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[BMStricklin]

I would follow that layout right there just as is. I would not add erase pro on top of reboot. Reboot will already be controlling estrogen and adding the erase pro could be too much estrogen control. It is also on the cusp in regards to whether or not if you want to use a serm. Again I always have one on hand just in case. Reboot should be quite effective for PCT though.

As far as generic clomid or research chemicals I have always used research chemical SERMs from online.

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thanks again, you have been a big help.. one last question.. how would you know whether or not you should use a SERM.. like If I started that cycle, what would be the defining factor that would say.. man I should use a SERM on this post cycle? if that makes sense..

[Rebel29073]

Here is a pretty decent link explaining Serms and their purpose and function. Give it a read through. I would say anyone who runs a cycle should have one on hand :just in case" even if the cycle is considered "mild" .

Serms have sides associated just like the PH will so I guess this is where you have to make a decision based on how your specific body type is responding to the cycle and more so the post cycle. I personaly used Torem, but to each their own.

http://prohormonedb.com/content.asp?...+Explained&c=7

[BMStricklin]

So, I guess what I wanted to know is that If I dont see my balls dropping or my "mammaries" seem to be adding fatty growth then I should supplement the SERM into my post.. is that right? Of course this being me on a short cycle where a SERM may or may not be needed...

[Rebel29073]

considering serms weren't used in years past and people somehow survived shooting real gear and PH's and went on to be able to have productive lives and even procreate it really speaks to a serm could be viewed as just a preventative measure for many, but there are always exceptions to the rules.

I dont think I would run a cycle without a serm just for the mere purpose of precaution, but once again that is just me. I am well past 25 years old so I am not so concerned about my Endocrine system as someone should be who is under 25.

Yes if you suffer from testicular atrophy and or Gyno you should indeed implement the Serm without delay. Lets see what others recommend though.

[CopyCat]

thanks again, you have been a big help.. one last question.. how would you know whether or not you should use a SERM.. like If I started that cycle, what would be the defining factor that would say.. man I should use a SERM on this post cycle? if that makes sense..

Well, bloodwork would be the one true way to know. Otherwise yes if you are feeling really shut down and after some given time in pct things are not improving you may consider te serm. However, in an OTC pct recovery often times is a bit slower but come eventually none the less and you avoided the serm associated sides and concerns.

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[BMStricklin]

Thanks again guys, you two have been VERY helpful. I just ordered both Bulk/Mass and will be running them against the cycle Royd had posted using reboot and a SERM (still undecided on which one Clomid or Nolva) for precaution as it is my first time. Last but not least, what kind of dosage goes with the SERM.. I see Clomid sells in 25mg/ML.. is that the dosage per day?

[Royd The Noyd]

Missed a lot sorry. I have a stacking chart with clomiphene I can post a bit later.

[BMStricklin]

Missed a lot sorry. I have a stacking chart with clomiphene I can post a bit later.

That would be great.. and do not sweat missing out.. They did a great job filling in for ya ;-)

[Royd The Noyd]

That would be great.. and do not sweat missing out.. They did a great job filling in for ya ;-)

Yes they did.

[BMStricklin]

Looks great.. Thanks man!

Just to be clear .. in the Reboot + Clomid .. the 50mg "EOD" does that mean end of day or just a day?

And should I split both Bulk and Mass into 2 meals each.. like 3 bulk @ breakfast, 3 mass @ morning snack, etc..

[Royd The Noyd]

Looks great.. Thanks man!

Just to be clear .. in the Reboot + Clomid .. the 50mg "EOD" does that mean end of day or just a day?

And should I split both Bulk and Mass into 2 meals each.. like 3 bulk @ breakfast, 3 mass @ morning snack, etc..

EOD = every other day

It's best to split bulk and mass into meals spread evenly apart if you can. It's best to take them with meals that contain 20-30 grams of fat. So if you only have one meal with 20-30 grams of fat, I suggest taking all of them in that one meal.