Primordial Performance Presents: Testosterone Conversion Factor-1!!

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  2. Looks like PP keeps on rolling out pure awesomeness.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by suresha View Post
    yeah they gave this supplement to 80 yr olds for testing, and by no means am i trying diss PP. i love their stuff and support them 100000% i just wasn't feeling the $30 for only 12 servings where as i could get it in bulk powder from NP for $24 or go with Hard FX to get more bang for my buck
    Hard FX does look really good.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by WhatsaRoid? View Post
    Hard FX does look really good.
    thats what i'm talkin about, WhatsaRoid, i'm a big fan of pp's products and i support them to the fullest, i mean i purchased their superdrone muscle stack w/their 1-t and their tr stack and that stuff is mean, i felt like the hulk on that stuff, and if my skin would of turned green i would of swore i was a super hero, but if i'm going to get that DAA i'm going with AX on this one, it's blowin PP's out the park profile wise and serving wise; gotta call a spade a spade; real talk, but i love you PP, but 12 servings, cmon now, i feel like we're being cheated

  5. I'm looking at Hard FX now. And while the ingredient profile looks good, for those that are looking for the DAA I don't think it is blowing PPs out of the water. Their ingredient list is a propriety blend. Even if 343 mg of the 473mg propriety blend is DAA it would be equal to the DAA content in PP's. It seems unlikely that 343 mg is straight DAA. And even if it did contain that amount per capsule, it would take 9 caps to replicate the 3.12 gram study which would yield approximately 12 days. With that knowledge, the $54.99 pricetag doesn't seem all that attractive for those of us trying to replicate the study
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  6. d-aspartic seems to be getting a lot of play lately! and from what i can tell seems to be for great reason!

    id love to stack this with something like testopro, really release a lot of Free test in my body, SICK PCT

  7. huh, looks interesting, i'll have to wait until i see some logs before I shell out some cash.
    i had to pay the irs this year. no return for me.

  8. Any reason besides prolactin that you guys suggest a 12 day lay off? When all one would have to do is take 1-carboxy while on it, and AI if estrogen becomes an issue.
    doing my own thang!

  9. HMMM.

    Two weeks superdrone, twelve days DAA, two days off, two weeks superdrone, TRS with DAA. sounds tasty.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by bound View Post
    HMMM.

    Two weeks superdrone, twelve days DAA, two days off, two weeks superdrone, TRS with DAA. sounds tasty.
    true indeed, that sounds ill, too bad superdrone is now an urban legend, pp needs to bring that one back, even if it's for a 1 week run, we needs dat

  11. Quote Originally Posted by suresha View Post
    true indeed, that sounds ill, too bad superdrone is now an urban legend, pp needs to bring that one back, even if it's for a 1 week run, we needs dat

    Got two bottles in da fridge. They keep whispering to me every time I open the door....
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by bound View Post
    Got two bottles in da fridge. They keep whispering to me every time I open the door....
    i know exactly what you're saying, i got about 3/4 of a bottle too, but want more

  13. Yea sitting on a full bottle, no cycle yet but didnt want to miss sd in lv form.

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  15. Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Yea sitting on a full bottle, no cycle yet but didnt want to miss sd in lv form.
    from what Ive heard this clone is the bees knees

  16. Hope not a dumb question, how does this differ or relate to someone taking something like mass fx, testopro or any other test booster? With that being said, if I just came off a massfx cycle of 4 weeks and a prime for 4 more, can run this now or wait four weeks?

  17. I wonder if this would perform on a high cholesterol diet. At least 50 % more than rda.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by ABNRanger View Post
    Hope not a dumb question, how does this differ or relate to someone taking something like mass fx, testopro or any other test booster? With that being said, if I just came off a massfx cycle of 4 weeks and a prime for 4 more, can run this now or wait four weeks?
    TCF-1 would complement something like testopro or phyto-testosterone (and similar "natty test boosters") b/c TCF-1 increases total test and LH. The increased total test will increase free test as well.

    Most natty test boosters like the above ones increase free test without increasing total test. So the combo of TCF-1 or DAA + Phyto-Testosterone or TestoPro should give some pretty sick results and very synergystic too.

    I'd do it.

  19. Would Sustain and this work well together? Besides price...is there any real difference between this and NP's bulk?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by johnfaceman View Post
    I'm looking at Hard FX now. And while the ingredient profile looks good, for those that are looking for the DAA I don't think it is blowing PPs out of the water. Their ingredient list is a propriety blend. Even if 343 mg of the 473mg propriety blend is DAA it would be equal to the DAA content in PP's. It seems unlikely that 343 mg is straight DAA. And even if it did contain that amount per capsule, it would take 9 caps to replicate the 3.12 gram study which would yield approximately 12 days. With that knowledge, the $54.99 pricetag doesn't seem all that attractive for those of us trying to replicate the study

    very good calulated point

  21. Quote Originally Posted by JN230 View Post
    very good calulated point
    Thanks! Just didn't want to see people bashing the product so quickly without looking at the big picture. I personally have 3 coming my way and will post an unbiased review.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABNRanger View Post
    Hope not a dumb question, how does this differ or relate to someone taking something like mass fx, testopro or any other test booster? With that being said, if I just came off a massfx cycle of 4 weeks and a prime for 4 more, can run this now or wait four weeks?
    TCF-1 works in a different manner to other testosterone boosters by increasing the rate of conversion of intracellular cholesterol to testosterone via the mitochondria. So you could stack it with those compounds and still see a large benefit

  23. ^^^What he said. It does work in such a different manner from most all test boosters (it boost total test and LH) that it could be used to compliment them (Phyto-Testosterone or TestoPro or Testofen only or Divanil only, etc). Also, most natty test boosters don't increase total test, just free test. Hence, the complementary mechanism.

  24. I like adding L Carnitine period. The 20+ some benefits, increasing/opening testosterone receptor sites is one of my favorites. GPLC and Arginocarn from Primordial Performance are great sources. Id like to see them add a L tartrate form if possible.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    Reps for the "Master Blaster" avy.

    I would probably look to run this with (2) bottles total (12 days on/ 12 days off/ 12 days on). Make sure you check out our current sale now as well. Each TCF-1 is only $20.00.

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