ULTIMA FAQ Guide and Feedback
- 02-26-2009, 12:51 PM
ULTIMA FAQ Guide and Feedback
Q: How do I dose it?
A: There seems to have been some confusion over this. Towards the end of the beta's release we retested the formulation after some late additions and made some alterations to the dosing protocol on the bottle. It went out in print form. Basically there is a scoop to which the handle/line comes at about the ? mark. Then there's the full scoop (4/4 so to speak). If you are under 175 pounds or have never used any nootropics in substantial doses before use the ? dose to the handle. If you are below 135 pounds use a half scoop. From here add about 16 ounces of water (12 oz. If the ? dose). You will consume half of the cup 30-60 minutes pre-workout. For best effects (especially with the B vitamins) sip and hold under tongue sublingually for 5-10 seconds, then swallow. Consume the other half of the cup during workout over the course of 30-60 minutes as well.
Q: How long will it last?
A: The product was designed to only need to be used on workout days (assuming at least three workouts a week). Following the above dosing, 30-60 days is expected.
For nootropic purposes consume 1/4-1/2 scoop doing sublingual sips. This would be for a night out on the town, performing well on a test, playing video games, or whatever...
Q: What can I expect?
A: Strength, focus, mind-muscle connection, sense of self, endurance, and performance.
Q: Can you use caffeine with it?
A: There were many questions on caffeine. Ultima has no caffeine. Many products have 200-400mg and people will consume multiple drinks, pills, etc at these doses. This product is meant to break that addiction down and get to the heart of true health and performance. I do believe in a dose of around 60mg. Is shown in studies to be healthy and effective used acutely, not chronically, so I guess that'd be OK (about what's in a 20oz. Diet Mountain Dew). I recommend people get off the caffeine and give this a true go. The transition for the first week can be rough coming off caffeine, which would make Ultima seem to be a culprit...It is not. Have faith. Transition off stims. Transition on Ultima. I recommend not using caffeine (and other stimulants) here due to them being counterproductive to the goals you set out.
Q: The flavor's decent, but can I make it better still?
A: Yes, some add Diet Mountain Dew or Crystal Light Lemonade. The taste is delicious, but has a bit of a medicinal aftertaste. Again some late goodies we threw in really required a bit more flavoring. We sent out extra packs of flavoring to everyone that ordered. Most people like the taste as it is, but we want to please everyone so we'll be forthright. BTW, with the crystal light its really awesome. Ultimately, what matter's most is performance. We got that.
Q:Can I add other nootropics?
A: ALCAR, Tyrosine, Sulbutiamine, Piracetam, Aniracetam, modafinil/provigil, and a number of others have been discussed. I think it is OK to experiment with these additions, but carefully. Use on at a time, in modest doses. If you never used nootropics, for God's sake, do not full dose Ultima, add all these nootropics and thing it will “rock”. I assure you it won't. It will be overstimulating making you either wired or tired. If you are experienced, Ultima is dosed that “racetams” seem like a logical addition. Matt has a deal with 72 grams of piracetam with 3 tubs. Piracetam was considered for addition in Ultima, but the GMP manufacturer wouldn't allow it. Do not add other cholines, DMAE (or centrophenoxine) here as there is potent doses of such. These cholines and DMAE can cause sleepiness in high doses to those that are sensitive too them or not experienced in using them. If this ever happens, spread out your doses more and decrease serving per dose until you've adjusted to your “sweet spot”.
Q: How long until the Full version will be out and will there be changes?
A: This could be a number of months off. It's being worked on as these things are very time consuming. Evidence of this would be the roadblocks we ran in to getting this product out as a beta. GMP manufacturers are far, far more stringent and this is noteable. Seriously, it could be the summer. We're not sure. We're not giving definitive timetables anymore as that hurt us last go around. As for changes, yes, there will be tweaks, based on feedback. We are listening to you and will serve to exceed your needs. We want this finely tuned to meet nearly everyone's satisfaction on every front. A lofty goal it is. Quite frankly this product is very expensive to make and it may be “too potent” for some. We may have to ratchet it back some. I assure you for the advanced supplement user (note: this crowd, not the GNC noob – which we'll need to account for in the future) and at this price this is the best deal you're going to find. See the next question...
Q: $50 dollars seems expensive, how is Ultima worth it?
A: First, read the above question. Next see the how long it will last question (30-60 days) then see Matt's graph on bulk costs of the ingredients in Ultima, which comes out to over $70...without packaging, labels, shipping, and combo deals accounted for.
If you wanted to piece together ULTIMA yourself:
Q: What is AACA?
A: N-Acetyl Carnosine.
It has been studied orally and IV, but a bit more indirect...I often had to order full studies to piece it all together. It is resistant to carnosinase, which is the huge benefit or lower dosed carnosine, plus it will have some action as the dipeptide, then when broken down slowly by carnosinase will have a time released effect as it reassembled back in to carnosine again. It is really sweet. Why hasn't it been used? SHEER COST. No obvious direct studies. Carnosine itself isn't clearly studied with performance, mostly with glycation and life extension. Moreover, beta-alanine is studied with regards to performance. A big part of this is a certain doctor does ALL of the Beta-alanine research and he doesn't put much stock in carnosine. Of course, the industry has ran with that...because it is $6 a kilo versus $250. AACA is thousands...so...that's why you see minute quantities being used in eyedrops, further its stability and antioxidant status makes it superior over straight L-Carnosine. When I've cornered Dr. Harris, several times, he doesn't have strong reasons why carnosine isn't the better option, he just says its "overkill", meanwhile beta-alanine requires four times a day dosing. He has stake in carnosyn and now has stake in the "solution", a timed release beta-alanine. Consider this...carnosine has anti-glycation benefit, most likely due to its unique action as a dipeptide in the plasma, however short it is. Large doses, which gets expensive would make that action longer...yes, it may then get broke down in to the singlets, beta-alanine and hisitdine...to get built back up in to the dipeptide. Still seems superior, though more costly...research seems to bear that out. Further, the AACA is acetylated and carnosinase's action upon it much, much slower...causing the circulating carnosine to be elevated over a period of time and with its eventual breakdown will lead to a timed release reassembly of carnosine for buffering in the muscle.
Q: Why no proprietary blend? Is it true they nearly held up the product over the unique folinic acid (note: not folic acid) co-enzyme? Won't this work just get ripped off?
A: Again, there's no random crap here. No guesswork. Everything has its place and reason. One thing that weighs on me is that when safety or legitimacy gets questioned. When we're a practicing clinical MD and an RD that are life extensionists, doing GMP manufacturing, listing everything in a non-prop blend with full transparency and got held up for months due to these ethics...well. We spent two years working on this, testing it, and spending extra on quality control. The FDA, whoever questions it...and it feels like the rewards go to the unethical, because if you're some company that makes up ingredient names, makes up claims, and hides garbage in prop blends it is cool. You can "spike" a completely fake blend with meridia, lasix, D-Bol, viagra or whatever. No one questions it, because no one really can. Ironic. And yet, I do encourage everyone to scrutinize, research, and question the products they use or plan to use. I just get frustrated with some of these other companies...sorry for that rant. There will be a full write-up forthcoming. I already feel like I've revealed too much too soon. So from hence forth I might be a bit more tight lipped. Matt has the basic, marketing-based write-up posted now (above) and that should suffice while we're in beta. I dread how much might get ripped off from the write-up and fake amounts of things like AACA might get listed in a prop blend. We've put show much time, effort and money in to this...
Q: Is the 15mg. Dose of methylcobalamin safe? What is methylcobalamin?
A: It is thousands of dollars per kilo first off. Secondly, it is the active form of B-12, not the standard supplemental cyanocobalamin that is far inferior and cyanide-bound.
The dose is study based and looked to hit orthomolecular amounts. AOR is the only other company on the market to have this form in this dose, and if you know AOR than you know it's safe and it's researched. Oh, and their price? $46.99 for a bottle, that's nearly the cost of Ultima with many, many expensive high-dosed ingredients.
Methylcoblamin is a superstar in the formulation that will give you energy, improve cognitive function, and give you faster firing of synapses (mind-muscle)...meaning strength and coordination. Some multi-vtamin brags of this form, but has 500mcg. (3%) of our dose. You know how we roll? Right? In less than 4 weeks we will feature an exciting write-up on this very superstar ingredient.
Q: What is Trinitine and what makes it so special? Will we ever be able to get it by itself?
A: Trinitine is a fully patented blend with a specific ratio of electrolyte-bound creatine chelates. There has never, ever been a single creatine or blend that matches what Trinitine accomplishes. It's delivery, bioavailability, “bloat-free”, fully-synergistic method of execution is brilliant. Trinitine is covered by multiple patents for its ingredients and tested ratios. It is also being worked out for future scientific study by a peer-reviewed journal and discussed for multiple licensing deals. The industry is taking notice. The best sports nutrition ingredient just got better with this industry first. It's not an empty promise. TRINITINE IS THE CORNERSTONE OF ULTIMA. TRINITINE IS THE TRUTH. (Yes, I grabbed this from my marketing write-up and yes, we have a full write-up, but this is enough for you right now...)
As for Trinitine by itself, yes, that is forthcoming. Matt is working on that as we speak. Look for that very soon. In finished form (no need for betas).
Q: Is this a pre-workout product? How would you classify it?
A: We categorized it that way, to give it a category, but in reality...not really. It's far more complicated than a product that provides transient pumps, stims, and bloat. This ain't that. We left off a number of ingredients like Taurine, Ethyl Esters, Arginine, and Caffeine (or other stims.) for good reason. They are not effective pre-workout, ineffective, or unsafe. My expanded thoughts on arginine are forthcoming outside of this write-up/thread. So to delve deeper, it isn't formulated the way most of these “pre-workout” products are. So it's difficult to therefore classify it that way. It was meant to exploit a pathway by providing all the substrates for true synergy (that pathway in all of its glory is forthcoming as well). Many are using divided doses on off days, or using it before a date, or before a test, or for nutritive life extension purposes, etc. This is good for your body and mind. Both will perform better and be stronger for it. That's different. Truly different.
Q: What other products should or could I take with this?
A: The nootropics were discussed above. Protein is a no-brainer. Beyond that, it's your world, but I would not dose products 2 hours before or after Ultima that have B-vitamins (bars, protein powders, other products that list them) or ones that have magnesium (especially) or sodium / potassium added. There is a specifc ratio of the electrolyte-bound chelated creatines, called Trinitine. The B-vitamins are dosed maximally and are in their most active, co-ezymated forms, of which more coenzymated B's would be too much and the standard supplemental forms actually compete with these and make them far less effective. B6 in the pyridoxine (standard) form is toxic at higher doses because it competes with P5P (active form) for binding. Cyanobalamin (standard) is a cyanide bound inferior form that takes conversion and can be problematic in very high doses. Methylcobalamin is not. R5P is the active riboflavin form...we have those in here, dosed very highly, but research supported and safely. They're essential to the performance of Ultima.
Basically, you don't need to add anything else around your workouts, except a high quality protein post workout, like Xtreme Formulations' Ultra Peptide.
Q: Why is my urination “neon yellow”?
A: Too much Mountain Dew I guess! Just kidding. It is due to the R5P, the active riboflavin. It's is a harmless side effect of large doses of this vitamin. One poster (Peter LeDrew) asked why such large doses? To this Is stated the following:
Orthomolecular is the thought process. And your correct, there are certain people that have deficiencies they're unaware of and can't be corrected with the non-coenzymated forms of the vitamins...meaning they lack the enzymes or the necessary amount. The dosing that is recommended is half and half. And yes, peeing out means you went to full use...and beyond...(and you're right zero side effects whatsoever)...so that's the point. Would you want... Non-ULTIMA? Close to the best? Kind of near maximized? The dosing in the beta may very well be tweaked depending on feedback, but at this point we're happy with what we accomplished here. And it is fine to ask questions. B-vitamins, coenzymated will change lives dramatically and Bruce Ames is right. The enzyme thing I mentioned is real. Much like pyridoxine competing with endogenous P5P and becoming toxic at higher doses through competition at the binding site. This is not the case when supplementing with P5P. Oh and the non-sublingual form (which the few companies that do P5P sell it in...can't think of any sublingual) are poorly absorbed...very poorly according to studies. So, boom...note with what you quoted how only R5P is stable in solution. P5P is in this and sublingual. Methylcobalamin over the cyanide based supplemental form...etc. Oh and the other ones...we've got plans. No worries. The B's are where it is at.
So there you have it. ULTIMA is truly the most scientifically advanced, potentially the most effective supplement ever created. Stop playing with trash products that claim to change genetics or add 10 pound of mass in 5 days. Get smart. Step up to the big leagues with ULTIMA.
We continue to encourage everyone to continue to post his feedback, good or bad. This will help insure ULTIMA gets tweaked in just the right way for the final, wide release
- 02-26-2009, 12:52 PM
So far the feedback on ULTIMA is, how do you say...Amazing!
Mental energy, physical energy and now feedback of very significant strength increases after using for a week or so.
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Mixability: 10/10 No problems whatsoever. Drop it in a shaker cup and give it a few whirls and it's good to go.
Taste: 10/10 A lot of people described the taste (I have the first run with no extra flavoring) to be unpleasant and chemical. It is probably the most enjoyable supplement I have ever drank with a nice citrusy flavor. (Sort of reminds me of Body Octane but much better) The 20-30 Seconds recommended to hold it under your tongue doesn't even bother me because I really like the taste.
Cognitive Effects: 10/10 This is no lie. I have never felt as healthy and well as I do when I've taken Ultima. My awareness and focus are off the charts. I feel the mind-muscle connection which is something you have to experience because it's incredible to feel them molded as one working together.
Energy: 8/10 Only because I'm coming off of Caffeine Supplements. Animal Pump gave me crazy energy that lasted 4-5 hours and got me through the evening/night of lifting/working/homework but Ultima gives me a steady flow that fills every need and lasts the rest of the day until REDuction PM = night night. The Drive I feel is the most important aspect. I just have to get things done that is my mind's mission. I want to hit the weights harder than ever and not stop until I can't move. It's a great feeling to have this determination. I have plenty enough energy to lift for around 1.5 hours and then go play basketball for another 1-1.5. I miss the extreme boost from the Caffeine but I enjoy this constant supply delivered by Ultima and I'm sure once my body gets used to the absence of the Caffeine this will jump to 10/10.
Pumps: 10/10 Mind-Muscle Connection FTW!!! Linking the muscle(s) you are focusing on working out with a direct connection to the brain results in optimal exertion and stimulation of that muscle. Pumps are far from the most important thing but the feeling of your muscles ripping out of your legs, arms, chest, etc. is quite nice. This definitely is > Arginine/Glycerol Supps that I have tried in the past.
Strength: 10/10 I've been on Ultima for 2 weeks and have gained 15 lbs. on my bench rep weight (210-225). I promise I'm not exaggerating this at all. I'm sure there are other factors but I feel much stronger on this than anything else I have tried. I always respond well to MCC though and the SCC and PCC additions seem to have increased this.
Price: 10/10 I know that $50 for 20 servings sounds rough but you really have to understand the incredible ingredients and the amount of work Omega has put into this. It's a steal for what you get esp. when I only work out hard on MWF which means it will last me ~7 weeks.
- 02-26-2009, 12:53 PM
Alpha-Male: I'm not really giving this a rating it's just an unexpected bonus that I seem to have acquired from this. I have noticed increased assertiveness and aggression shining through me. This is appreciated for me since I am normally quiet spoken and easy going but I have to attribute this change to Ultima because it's the only Supp change I have made lately. (I know it's not a test booster or a PH but I swear this has happened lol)
Overall: 10/10 Honestly. Best $50 I've ever spent hands down. I hope that Omega is able to keep this same formula and price as I will definitely be picking up another Tub. I wanted to rave about it after the first night I tried it but I gave it two weeks and decided it was long enough to rule out the dreaded "Placebo Effect from the Black Lagoon". I highly recommend this product to any and everyone for building muscle as well as overall health. Thanks for all the hard work Omega! Let me know if I left anything out of the review and I will gladly answer any questions. Hope this helps![/QUOTE]
hopefully I did not overlap anything that was posted previuosly.
At this point, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna have to put in an order for more ultima in the near future(before the formula and price change), nothing non-hormonal as ever worked this well or this quick for me in the ergogenic realm. nothing.I just wanted to throw this out here. I often workout twice a day and I've found that if I take a full serving with my morning workout then nothing during my evening workout, my evening workout ends up being incredibly intense. I think it may be better to just take the product all day long like haiz is doing and simply a full dose pre/during workout might be too much, at least for me. It's like my mind is fuctioning at such high capacity that working out isn't mentally stimulating enough or that I'm too zen after taking ULTIMA to let out what little agression I have to really attack the weights. You guys screwed up and made way too powerful of a product here
I'm not really giving this a rating it's just an unexpected bonus that I seem to have acquired from this. I have noticed increased assertiveness and aggression shining through me. This is appreciated for me since I am normally quiet spoken and easy going but I have to attribute this change to Ultima because it's the only Supp change I have made lately. (I know it's not a test booster or a PH but I swear this has happened lol)Honestly. Best $50 I've ever spent hands down. I hope that Omega is able to keep this same formula and price as I will definitely be picking up another Tub. I wanted to rave about it after the first night I tried it but I gave it two weeks and decided it was long enough to rule out the dreaded "Placebo Effect from the Black Lagoon". I highly recommend this product to any and everyone for building muscle as well as overall health. Thanks for all the hard work Omega!
It's amazing. Let me explain it like this. After 1/2 scoop, you just feel.. Different.. Better.. Unstopable.
Your body says enough while your mind says "Don't you f**kin stop now.. 2 more reps".. Guess what.. Your mind wins.Originally Posted by garyboyOriginally Posted by iballardOriginally Posted by dabiggiuI just kept piling on the weights, and finding myself able to keep pushing out reps. Great feeling. My legs are killing me right now, but I am feeling fantastic.Originally Posted by Peter LeDrewOriginally Posted by NsaladinoLooking at my leg numbers as of recently I realized that I am about as strong in my legs today at ~200 lbs (weigh in friday) as I was when I was a 250+ offensive lineman. Not bad, not bad at all.i feel like writing 'awesome' a hundred times for y'all to understand...i cannot type fast enough for how fast my brain is going....
-the second time I did it an hour later, 15 minutes intentionally before my workout. Next thing I know its an hour later and I'm done with a brutal workout. I take a shower eat and now I just finished reading a article for school and am alomst done writing the paper......wow
-I didn't feel stimmed out. I felt great and still do. No crash. This feels real clean
Originally Posted by FormerFatBoy86Originally Posted by FormerFatBoy86Originally Posted by marcodeniro
I love dosing Ultima like this. I added two new exercises, did a bunch of random pull-ups and hangs, hit a crazy pr on db rows and ended up finishing my workout 30 minutes earlier than normal... and oh im cutting toI dosed 1/4 scoop immediately pre-workout and 1/4 scoop an hour later... Holy crap what a difference! Seriously one of the best workouts I've had in a long, long time. Intensity, intensity, intensity is all I can say. My endurance, focus, strength, recovery time, rest time, muscle fullness, pump, cardiovascular endurance, all of it was absolutely awesome. I had 5 people that generally see me everyday in the gym, ask me what was up and what I was taking. You get an immediate energy boost/intense feeling of vigilance within a few minuets of having it under your tongue. I didn't feel zoned out or foggy at all I felt focused, determined, energized, and relentless. During my cardio I felt an immense feeling of wellbeing that has continued well after (as I'm sure you can tell by my use of adjectives) I kept adding weight to my exercises and took little to no time between sets it was pretty crazy. The only time I really rested between sets was when I was too pumped to lift properly. This is how I will be dosing ULTIMA from now on and recommending it to others as well.Originally Posted by haiz69Tried the Ultima under the tongue thing pre-wo tonight...INSTANT mental clarity + drive. WOW. Only did 1/4 scoop 45 minutes pre, 1/4 scoop 15 minutes pre, and then sipped the other half intra.
Solid dosing IMO. If I didn't enjoy sipping it so much (I mix it with a bit of caffeine free dew), I'd do it this way all the time.haven't had enough time to really put this to the test in the gym lately. This week I used it as a study aid (for a ton of school work). I had 2 tests, 2 quizzes, 2 labs to perform (including dissecting a cat), 1 to write-up, and a huge HW assignment this week... and ultima helped me out big time! I was at school from 8 in the morning on tuesday until 2:30 AM on wednesday... then back at 8 in the morning on wednesday and didn't leave until almost 10 at night, and I did it stimulant free with Ultima. I actually noticed how much I was retaining when I was studying material for my classes... it was pretty damn impressive.
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