This post scrutinizes the thread: http://http://anabolicminds.com/foru...review-pw.html
It is fairly mundane, with standard features that communicate somewhat helpful but umimpressive facts. That is not to say this a bad review, merely "run-of-the-mill."
This particular review was chosen in part for it's title (the term "GFH" amuses me every time I encounter it) and in part for the products the user OBeast was reviewing. has provided much benefit, energy and improved recovery for me in the past, and White Flood is increasingly becoming of interest to me with it's tablet-form release and the logs associated therewith.
OBeast utilizes the 1-10 number scale to evaluate a number of factors pertaining to WF and PW. On the whole, these numbers are what you would typically expect; scores ranging from 8-10 form a large majority. While I am sure that OBeast did find his products to be great in most respects, the 1-10 scale does little to set his CL supplements of choice apart from the myriad of other products similarly rated elsewhere on AM.
That being said, his scores for both "eye candy/first impression" and "taste" were 5/10 and 2/10, respectively.
Therefore, though everything else tops the charts by his standards, he is still objective enough to report a shortcoming.Originally Posted by OBeast
In addition to his numeric ratings, OBeast comments on each of his "factors", beginning with his low scoring "eye candy/first impression":
Unfortuneately, he only comments upon his first contact with the White Flood, forgetting the . However, his feelings are made perfectly clear. I cannot comment on White Flood's smell. I will say the packaging is nice, but I must admit that if a supplement works well enough to use consistently, I'd take it if it smelled awful and came in a plastic bag.Eye candy/first impression: 5/10
I really like Cl's labeling and the safety orange color of the WF really makes the product look serious and somehow , but when I cracked open the container and gave it the whiff test I threw up a liitle in my mouth.
Every amino acid product I have ever used has retained some amount of sedimentation. I do agree with him, though, in that there is very little of it when PW is dissolved and mixed.Mixability: 10/10
The only similar product of this nature I have used is Charge from Labrada I think and It was like drinking sandy water. I put this stuff in a shaker bottle gave it a little shaky-shaky and viola mixed. There were a few shiney blue things I could see swirling around the bottle, But I couldnt feel them going down and that is what is important to me.
Now, OBeast used an outdated release of PW and WF, meaning that the flavors of both have since been updated, upgraded and improved. Still, he gives his honest opinion and even "stuck with it", experimenting with water volume until he found a concentration he enjoyed:Taste: 2/10
I know a lot of people say playing with the quantity of the water makes a difference and I will see but at 1 scoop PW, 2 scoops WF, and 25 ounces of water it was bad,real bad.
This time I used 2 scoops WF, 1 scoop PW, 50 ounces of water.
This amount of water I think is just right. This makes it a completely different animal. It actually tastes like something designed for human consumption, pleasant even. The fact that it actually tastes pleasant means I was able to sip it over about 15-20 minutes. This in turn really helped with the focus/energy. Before, the energy hit so hard I was a bit jittery but not this time. So my updated scores are.
Taste: 8/10Typical comment for a pre-workout mix, something I myself have been guilty of, I am sure. His energy is up and he's got Paresthesia. A little vague and general, but most loggers have been in the same position.Energy: 10/10
This really easily could have been one of those lazy saturdays but not with this stuff. I drank it about 1:00 and at 1:25 as I pulled into the parking lot I started feeling the tingle and knew it was going to be a good day.
"Jittery" energy cannot be automatically assumed to be due to caffeine, as White Flood contains plenty of other ergogenic ingredients that could just as likely contribute to such a feeling in one unaccustomed to those substances. His heightened focus is likewise cumulatively due to these same ingredients.Focus: 8/10
The focus was great today except I dont usually get a lot of caffeine and after my first set I felt a little jittery so I walked into the locker-room and sat down for a minute and tried to calm down. It worked and It was smooth energy all the way after that.
I really don't like evaluating a supp based upon the "pump" it provides, as a "pump" is only one of a number of factors that indicate and influence hypertrophy. I have gained plenty of muscle and size in the past without incurring or attempting to achieve a "pump". With that understood, I can easily see how White Flood could rate so highly on his scale; it does contain several nitric oxide enhancing ingredients as well as vasodilators, resulting in a potent combination for eliciting a "pump"Pump: 10/10
I am giving this a 10 but I almost felt like a different 'kind' of pump. After my first set which was a superset of flat bench and wide grip low pulley rows I didnt really feel anything different but when I went into the locker-room and saw myself in the mirrors I was like "Damn, my pecs are swole!!" And this trend continued I didnt really feel a pump but the mirror said otherwise. Which was really the thing I liked best because the "pump and the burn" sometimes is a bit of a destraction to me especially in my arms when I am trying to do back.
No final thoughts on the products other than "they work." Are they exceptional? Will you be using them again? Did you find them overpriced or a steal in value? Additionally, the majority of his feedback could pertain entirely to WF, leaving poor PW out in the cold. Where is the mention of decreased recovery time, increased stamina, abnormal progress or something of the like? Just using PW alone, I felt much better both during and after my workout (more , less drained), but PW's effects are sadly left mainly to the imagination.Overall: 10/10
I know this isn't and average of the above scores but really, is smell and taste that important in a sup. It really performed in the gym and that is all that matters to me. If taste was that important I would have just drank some Kool-aid and sat on the couch all day.... mmmmmm ..... Kool-aid.
OBeast evaluated these CL products fairly as he saw it and honestly as well. His detail is somewhat lacking and methods are a little mediocre, but noone is asking for perfection. I would have appreciated further updates (he does mention that WF upsets his stomach under certain circumstances) perhaps with progress in strength or weight-gain or size delineated. In the absence of these, we can conclude that he had an enjoyable workout and that he benefitted from and liked his CL stack. I too heartily say that my experiences with CL and their products have all been enjoyable and effective.
Thank RR for running this contest and my apologies if this review is a little lengthy.