Thinking about running Epistane for the first time!

[TonyGT]

This will be my second PH stack. If you consider M1D black and MMV3 a PH stack haha.

4 weeks of Epi: 20/30/40/40
PCT 4 weeks of nolva: 30/20/20/20

Other supps include:
-Taurine
-Fish oil
-Creatine
-Multi
-Protein
-Haven't decided on a cycle support supp recommendations are welcome!

Let me know what you think and if anything else should be added!

 

[TonyGT]

Ok, what are your thoughts on adding toco-8?

 

[fueledpassion]

This will be my second PH stack. If you consider M1D black and MMV3 a PH stack haha.

4 weeks of Epi: 20/30/40/40
PCT 4 weeks of nolva: 30/20/20/20

Other supps include:
-Taurine
-Fish oil
-Creatine
-Multi
-Protein
-Haven't decided on a cycle support supp recommendations are welcome!

Let me know what you think and if anything else should be added!

Could you go get some basic bloodwork 2 weeks into PCT for this? It'd be nice to see someone step up and get some hormone panels done so we can at least learn something new in here every once in a while...

I'd like to see how your pituitary and liver recover from an Epi cycle. I have yet to see an Epi cycle with bloods to prove its toxicity or shutdown potency. Just wondering. There are a lot of kids at my gym running this now. It's the new Winny around here and I want to know for sure if it's relatively safe or not.

 

[fueledpassion]

Ok, what are your thoughts on adding toco-8?

Toco-8 works and is also good as a weaker replacement for hcg on cycle as well.

 

[TonyGT]

I could try and get some bloods! Getting Blood work will rely in cost to. Being a college student, money doesnt come easy haha. Although this cycle is still a month or two out for me. I'm waiting until this semester is over.

 

[steppinRazor]

I'd add in some cissus or glucosamine for joint support.
Far as cycle support, AI's cycle support tastes like ass but has a great profile

 

[TonyGT]

I'd add in some cissus or glucosamine for joint support.
Far as cycle support, AI's cycle support tastes like ass but has a great profile

Forgot I have a joint supp in mind also. Taste is not an issue to me. As long as something works I'm good with it.

 

[steppinRazor]

yeah man, to me AI's cycle support made all the difference. ive ran a couple cycles and half way thru i always get killer fukcin heartburn, not sure why?? but this go around i was dosing epi at 60 mg - kept up with the cycle support and no issues at all. felt great the whole run. theres an abundance of essentials in there - more so than alot of other cycle supports. i picked up 3 tubs for some reason, went thru 1 and a half for my 6 week cycle.. so if you want bro, i got an extra. brand new still sealed up..if your interested id get u a good deal on it

 

[steppinRazor]

ohhh and if you do decide to go with it, id highly suggest just taking it as a straight shot with water. waaaaay better than mixing it in a shake IMO

 

[Bmize89]

I ran about 4 weeks of epi and had great results, however I did brake out in a hives type rash...cone to find out I'm allergic to epi lol ever heard of that?

 

[StangBanger]

honestly 4 weeks of epi is a waste... so is a week at 20... waste.

epi takes like 3 weeks to really kick in... you would be better off going 6 or at the least 5 weeks. skip the week at 20 and start at 30.

I ran epi as my first ph and realized I wasted time at 20, and stopping at 4 weeks was stupid and I regret stopping at 4 weeks...

just my .02 cents.

 

[steppinRazor]

honestly 4 weeks of epi is a waste... so is a week at 20... waste.

epi takes like 3 weeks to really kick in... you would be better off going 6 or at the least 5 weeks. skip the week at 20 and start at 30.

I ran epi as my first ph and realized I wasted time at 20, and stopping at 4 weeks was stupid and I regret stopping at 4 weeks...

just my .02 cents.

very true.

 

[TonyGT]

Then I will run it 40ed for six weeks haha. I'm down for more gains hahah.

 

[Bmize89]

I completely agree however thus was my guest ph run and I wanted too stop due too the reaction I had and it went away in about 2 days after I was done with epi

 

[StangBanger]

Then I will run it 40ed for six weeks haha. I'm down for more gains hahah.

start at 30 if its your first just to make sure you know how you react... if all good then 40 is fine.

 

[schroedes]

Ok, what are your thoughts on adding toco-8?

toco-8 is always good

 

[schroedes]

I'd add in some cissus or glucosamine for joint support.
Far as cycle support, AI's cycle support tastes like ass but has a great profile

everything ive tried from AI tastes like ass

 

[steppinRazor]

everything ive tried from AI tastes like ass

really? Recovery pro, and maniac taste pretty good IMO

 

[JoHNnyNuTZ]

Then I will run it 40ed for six weeks haha. I'm down for more gains hahah.

Yeah I was going to say just run it at 30 the whole time but if you want to run it 40 for 6 weeks. More power to ya

 

[RoadBlocK]

Yeah I was going to say just run it at 30 the whole time but if you want to run it 40 for 6 weeks. More power to ya

More is not always necessary. IF you can continue to grow at 30 for the whole 6 weeks, then that's awesome, I went over 60mg a while ago for I guess a month or so, and found the sides v. gains ratio was not acceptable to me, 30-40 is really the sweet spot for most people, unless you are a real hard gainer, non responder, over saturated by androgen overuse, or you keep running the same compound over and over again. Epi is a happy compound, it makes most people feel good, when you get into high dosages it can make you feel like ****, I would rather suggest tossing something else into the mix, certainly not for your first time I suppose, but if you feel your gains are stalling, try stacking it with something mild. I just dont like the idea of just taking more and more and more, thats defintely not always the right approach.

 

[StangBanger]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ what he said.

more does not equal better. If 30 is working stick with it.

 

[steppinRazor]

If 30 works for ya, great!
But in my case, more is definitely better