I read of LOT of people having good results in adding lean muscle while losing fat and i've chosed to go whit epistane for all this reasons ( because i also have 1T and i was going for it but lot of people told me the epi was better for my goal )..
You talk as i'm the first moron here, but you don't know me.. I'm 30 years old and i train since i was 16.. here my stats : 184 cm, 92 kg deadlift 220 kg squat 190 kg bench 135 kg
This was the first time i took anabolics
Defenitely i spoke in my case and not in general as someone said before..
Something is not right with your experience here. Even a slight calorie deficiency, you should at least see some strength gain even if minimal. The whole lot about lowering your calories causing you to lose strength while on cycle does hole merit however if you are slightly lowering calories, say 500-1000, then that should not be enough to KILL your strength gains.
There is a world of difference between losing some strength and KILLING YOUR STRENGTH GAINS and SIZE.
This, especially since you have HAD STRENGTH gains with less food and no steroidal compounds.
Either you are pulling everyone's leg, do not have a clue to what you are doing or you have a bunk batch, end of story.
So if a majority of our research studies are financed by large corporations, then where does that leave us? Do not take research findings as "gospel".
hey chief...hows 60mg's treating ya?? i've managed to put on 40lbs on my flat bench over the course of this cycle...pretty good..got one more chest workout next week and then my cycle is over.
I like IBE alot, and have alot of there products. But if this guy is a non-responder. Let him be that.
He isnt hating, he is giving feedback. That IMO, is his right.
There are non-responders to all compounds, even test. Unreal machine for instance.
Again Judd, sorry epistane didnt do it for you. Almost all reviews are very good. Especially dosed at 30-50mg ED.
Good lifts btw.
I upped the calories since day 17th more or less..
I'm defenitely ABOVE maintenance and still losing strenght..
How can someone explain to pass from 34 kg x 6 to 27 kg x 8 in seatead dumbell shoulder press ( just for example ) ? I call it lost of strenght..
The sizes are good, maybe little bigger, but strenght really sucks !
I've checked my work out book and i saw i did this weight years ago..
I've just started 60 mg yesterday.. today day off i'm not going to run this week because i wanna have more calories ABOVE maintenance this last days ( i'm thinking to go till 40 days )..
You lucky 40 lbs on bench, i'm losing strenght instead !
One more thing for everyone..
I'M NOT saying Epistane doesn't work for everyone ( lot of logs say it works well ), i'm just writing my experience on it..
No offence for anybody.. I apreciate every single opinion here in this thread just because i like to hear everyone's opinion..
I'm not making fun of anyone anyway, maybe sometime my english is not very good i'm sorry for that..
Well just like all compounds you will have some people that respond great and others who don't respond to well. We are sorry that this compound did not work for you, BUT has worked for many others.
I personally have great strength gains from Epi, but mild weight gains...However my years of lifting have taught me to focus on the mirror and not the scale.
Anyhow good luck in the future man.