Background Info: I'm 25 years old, been working out for 13 years, but serious lifting for 7 years. I'm 6' , 185lbs, 10% body fat. I'm a Certified Personal Trainer, a 3rd year Kinesiology student, and I have a very good diet. This is my first venture into a PH cycle, but I feel it's time. The whole time, I'll be taking a Multivitamin, EFA's, BCAA's, Cissus, and Glucosamine w/ Chondroitan
After doing my research, my cycle looks like this so far, but I would like to hear any suggestions. (Like if I should do what others have and add Formex to weeks 1-4)
Week 1 & 2 PRIOR to cycle: 1000mg Milk Thistle, 500mg Hawthorn Berry
Week 1 - 4 (Possible 5)
Week 1: Epistane - 20/20/20/30/30/30/30, AI Cycle Support (2scoops Split Morn and Night)
Week 2: Epistane - 30ED, AI Cycle Support (2scoops Split Morn and Night)
Week 3: Epistane - 30ED, AI Cycle Support (2scoops Split Morn and Night)
Week 4: Epistane - 40ED, AI Cycle Support (2scoops Split Morn and Night)
*Possible Week 5 - 40ED, AI Cycle Support (2scoops Split Morn and Night)
Week 5 - 10
-Nolvadex: 20*/20/10/10 (* First 3 days at 40mg)
-AI Post Cycle Support
Any help would be appreciated... Just trying to get this perfect before I start
Oops, the IBE and AI thing was a mistake
Thanks for the tips, I was thinking about Activate Xtreme (As well as Reversitol) but wanted to hear more opinions, so I'm glad it's one that you recommended.
If I start the Lean Xtreme at Week 3 of my PCT, do I stop at the end of my 4th week when I stop the Nolva? Or do I use it for 4 weeks for example, from PCT week 3-6?
Sorry for the annoying questions guys, I know these types of posts have been made to death, but I'm doing this for peace of mind lol. Thanks for understanding.
Since you're already solid with the nolvadex and Formex, I would definitely opt against the Reversitol. That would just be anti-estrogen overkill! As for the LX, I'd suggest continuing on for a full 4-week run. Actually, you might consider tapering off of it the final week(s)... as it tends to work a little too well at reducing cortisol. My joints get sore as hell on the recommended dosage.
I've ran havoc twice and expirmented with all the SERMS. I've also used Reversitol.
IMHO, f*ck nolvadex...its worthless compared to Clomiphene Citrate(Clomid).
Coming off of Havoc you are going to have Low Estrogen AND Low Testosterone. You want to get T production up as fast as possible....nolvadex is AWESOME at blocking estrogen receptors but makes most people have terrible libido problems and doesn't really help restart that great....
Because E2 levels are low coming of the anti-estrogenic steroid, I'd use something like IBE Formestane at only 1/day along with 50mg of Clomid to help seriously restart you testicles. Clomid will almost 100% promise you a more than full recovery in a matter of weeks hands down compared to nolvadex. Theres a reason why clomid is used for male infertility/low-t restarts in the medical world as opposed to nolvadex. After 3 weeks at 50mg, Id drop down to 25mg for another week or two and maintain the formex at upped to 2pills/day for another 2-3 weeks dropping down to 1pill/day to counter any rebound.
The goal here is to jump start you LH back up high and rebound your T while only slightly preventing aromatase so that your E can return with your T. Then once the T is back, prevent any overly high rebound of the E. Too many people does clomid way to high...theres no reason to run it 100mg...it quick acting and 50mg will make your balls huge. Its cheap as sh*t and is the MOST effective product at restarting testosterone. Reversitol is a waste of money if you have something powerful already like clomid.
Hell if it was my cycle, I would continue clomid at 25mg for another month AFTER the first month of PCT just to have above normal testosterone levels to help maintain my gains.
Thanks for the input
Not that I think the OP will need either. Nolvadex may cause some temporary libido issues as opposed to either clomid or toremifene, it will more than suffice. Nolva is also commonly used for male infertlity, and I've seen more than one blood test after a nolva PCT to suggest full recovery.
I'm just speaking from MY personal experience on SERMS. I'm not knocking anyone elses opinion. I do realize some people have horrible sides on clomid, but I had terrible sides on nolva with not much result. Clomid made me horny, stronger, and I slept like a rock. Generally, the floaters and emotional sides come into play in doses like 100mg+.
BTW, Im at the University of Alabama...we better destroy V-Tech. Roll Tide!
Roll Tide!!! Are you originally from Alabama? I grew up in Mobile. I'm a little concerned about the o-line, but I expect McElroy to be nothing less than a stud. The defense is scary good... but they better come to play week in and week out. The cupboard's being stacked with talent, my friend. Next year looks like a real possibility for a nat'l championship run. Either way, I sense many BCS bowl games in the very near future... which is a much welcome change.
Dude... come join the college football thread!
BTW, there is some new freshmen Defensive Lineman...I don't know his name, but I do know he set the record for 225lb bench press 56 times.
however most studies show increase in LH and test as a secondary function to blocking e2 at the hypothalamus while clomid stimulates the pituitary.
polus thats what clomids MAIN function is and its secondary as a SERM to bind to the ERa and act as an antagonist
is clomid really that effective at all in blocking the breast tissue? In an emergancy situation, would clomid help prevent gyno if nolvadex is not avail?
No its much much weaker then nolva torem and raloxifen. Raloxifen I believe is strongest at that
In emergency situation I would never opt for serm bc it doesn't correct the issue of high e2. It masks it. An AI is where u wanna be when that happens
cholesterol? possibly but it wont fix the problem
id never take a SERM then an AI
id take a NON STEROIDAL AI then a SERM with a STEROIDAL AI (aromasin) then stop the STEROIDAL AI, and continue SERM for a week then stop.
only when off cycle.