Feedback from a customer using Epistane to help reduce their gyno.

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  1. Feedback from a customer using Epistane to help reduce their gyno.


    I got an email today from a customer I had spoken with via phone a few months ago who said he would contact me again after he attempted to use Epistane with some other things to help reduce his gyno and stay in shape. I just wanted to post this for anyone who is using Epistane for the same purposes and wanted to try something new.


    "Hey, it's ------ again. I wanted to send you a follow-up email to let you know how my solo-epistane run turned out for me.
    Several months ago I ran a cycle of Trenadrol and during the last week I began showing symptoms of acute gynecomastia. Since it was my last week of the cycle, I went ahead and ended it several days early to be on the safe side and began a standard PCT protocol. During the first week of PCT, a small lump quickly appeared- although not visible it was both painful and palpable. I continued treatment of the small lump with tamoxifen/P5P until it was as far diminished as possible and tapered the tamoxifen down to be safe. It was at this point I decided to take my chances and see if Epistane could possibly reduce the acute symptoms of gyno Iíd been experiencing. I started the first two weeks with 20mg daily, and on the final two weeks, I moved up to 30mg daily. I kept P5P stable at 300mg daily. Iíve only recently finished the cycle and began using raloxifen as a means of PCT and caution, however, between the time I tapered off of the Tamoxifen and finished the cycle of epistane, I can honestly tell you all remaining symptoms have been further diminished. Overall, Iím pretty impressed with how well Epistane reduced the remaining 25% of a minor, acute gynecomastia case. Iím a satisfied customer. Thank you,
    ------"
    PharmD


  2. Awesome!
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  3. niiiiice!

  4. I think its a bad idea to advertise steroids as a gyno remedy.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    I think its a bad idea to advertise steroids as a gyno remedy.
    I think it's a bad idea to not let people know what works for others in teh glimmer of a hope that it may help another poor soul who may be suffering.....but that's just me.
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  6. I know a few people who have gotten gyno from Epistane...........well actualyl it developed after the cycle so perhaps the PCT is to blame for that....and probably is.

    I loved Epi but things went downhill when i threw hdrol into the mix. Im going to run Epi again, 20mg/day, and not go any higher. Im really only using it because i felt my already existing gyno go down slightly when i used it by itself before, so im staying low dose in the hope that it will work again. 20mg/day should yeild some mild gains as well.

    One thing i will say is not to use PCS for PCT on Epi. I know thats what its designed for but from what i've seen it isn't good enough at controlling estrogen, JMHO a SERM is neccessary.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Australian made View Post
    I know a few people who have gotten gyno from Epistane...........well actualyl it developed after the cycle so perhaps the PCT is to blame for that....and probably is.

    I loved Epi but things went downhill when i threw hdrol into the mix. Im going to run Epi again, 20mg/day, and not go any higher. Im really only using it because i felt my already existing gyno go down slightly when i used it by itself before, so im staying low dose in the hope that it will work again. 20mg/day should yeild some mild gains as well.

    One thing i will say is not to use PCS for PCT on Epi. I know thats what its designed for but from what i've seen it isn't good enough at controlling estrogen, JMHO a SERM is neccessary.
    I dont even think its designed for that... its called Post Cycle SUPPORT.... not entire all in one super mundo PCT product.

    I agree SERMS are necessary for any and ALL pct's as the base, anything else is gravy.

  8. It is the reason the Sinner designed it. The AI guys have said that on more then one occassion.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Australian made View Post
    It is the reason the Sinner designed it. The AI guys have said that on more then one occassion.
    what??? sinner works for AX... are you sure he designed it? and what exactly are you saying, it was designed specifically for Epi?

    Either way it should matter WHAT AI says or what any designer says its for, IBE the maker of Epistane has not come out and stated its an all in one sufficient pct product for a normal cycle of Epistane.

    This isnt SDNG here or 3-AD and you can just take aPCT(which IMO, is a WAY better choice then PCS).... certain compounds you can get away with that kind of product but ones that are highly aromatizable(say phera) or that have an effect on estrogen (like Epi)in any way where rebound can occur should be treated with a SERM.

    That is and always should be the standard... anything else and your taking your own risks.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by poopypants;
    what??? sinner works for AX... are you sure he designed it?...
    Yep!
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  11. Just ask him. He did.

  12. Yeah, sinner did design Post Cycle Support.
    I have a hard time believing that EPI has caused anyone gyno. I say this because there is NO WAY in telling if the said person actually used a proper post cycle and/or is genetically predisposed to getting gyno.
    In reality, a simple bottle of DHEA could cause a flare up in people who have an already high level of estrogen. Pat (everyone’s favorite chemist, ) stated at one point that he had a flare up on DHEA.
    Any gene modulator has the ability to kick certain people in the arse.

  13. thing is DHEA can aromatize to EST at a very high rate (believed to do so through many of its multiple steps of conversion to test, maybe even directly) and Epistane cannot Convert at any normal dose..... if any.

    The only est related effect directly from Epi would be a lowering of est effecting the body (but not actual circulating est) and indirectly by no longer blocking it and not taking proper precautions (adequate PCT) to prevent a rebound.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by poopypants View Post
    Epistane cannot Convert at any normal dose..... if any.
    What does epistane convert too in the body?

  15. nothing. not purposely or directly, it may have active metabolites but undergoes no enzyme conversions like a PH.

    Epistane is an active Designer Steroid not a Pro hormone. It requires zero conversion to do its job.

  16. What active steroid is it related too? And you say it may have active metabolites, what might those be?

  17. Truly unsurprising. At 750mg testosterone, my bloated person gets really dry with 30mg epistane ED.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    What active steroid is it related too? And you say it may have active metabolites, what might those be?
    Whats so hard to understand here pilot????

    ITS ACTIVE ON ITS OWN, its unrelated to anything else out there.

    Im not sure if it even does have any active metabolites but given its unrelated to most everything else (cept the SERM it was derived from) its not likely to have any similar metabolites to any other compounds out there either.

    This is a NEW (was) compound and not some knock off alteration to an existing steroid, not a precursor or prohormone that has to undergo conversion, its what is called a Designer Steroid and is completely active in its own right with its own properties.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    What active steroid is it related too? And you say it may have active metabolites, what might those be?
    Jesus this guy has 4 x more reps than I do. Just goes to show...

  20. Quote Originally Posted by poopypants View Post
    ITS ACTIVE ON ITS OWN, its unrelated to anything else out there.

    Im not sure if it even does have any active metabolites but given its unrelated to most everything else (cept the SERM it was derived from) its not likely to have any similar metabolites to any other compounds out there either.
    So its unrelated to anything else out there, but its related to a SERM that it was derived from?

    And about the metabolites, you dont have any concrete information about them?

    whats so hard to understand here is how your willing to tought a steroid as a gyno remedy, when you really have no idea how it reacts in the body.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76 View Post
    Jesus this guy has 4 x more reps than I do. Just goes to show.
    It goes to show that you accept all that is told to you without question.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    So its unrelated to anything else out there, but its related to a SERM that it was derived from?

    And about the metabolites, you dont have any concrete information about them?

    whats so hard to understand here is how your willing to tought a steroid as a gyno remedy, when you really have no idea how it reacts in the body.



    It goes to show that you accept all that is told to you without question.
    sorry no one said it was an end all remedy pilot BUT it has helped many decrease the size of their gyno and when followed up with an proper PCT and gyno destruction protocol.

    Bottom line is the compound it was derived from has proven anti-estrogenic effects as well as steroidal effects(from the late 1970's) and can be considered an unmethylated parent to epi but is now scheduled.

    There is no doubt this compound now shares the same anti estrogenic properties and in turn can effect some peoples gyno in a positive nature.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by poopypants View Post

    There is no doubt this compound now shares the same anti estrogenic properties and in turn can effect some peoples gyno in a positive nature.
    Any studies to prove this, or is it just conjecture at this point?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    Any studies to prove this, or is it just conjecture at this point?
    look up thioderon and do the searching yourself.... it was found and tested out when developed in japan in 1979 and found to have these properties but wasnt really sold on a large scale like most anabolics and took a back seat in the vida books. Its effects are still well documented and should be able to find a bit of info BUT not a ton unless you want to buy bill llewelyns new book.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by poopypants View Post
    look up thioderon and do the searching yourself.... it was found and tested out when developed in japan in 1979 and found to have these properties but wasnt really sold on a large scale like most anabolics and took a back seat in the vida books. Its effects are still well documented and should be able to find a bit of info BUT not a ton unless you want to buy bill llewelyns new book.
    I have personally verified this to be true. Before anyone with the handle "futurepilot" joined this board.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by poopypants View Post
    look up thioderon and do the searching yourself....
    thanks for all your help

  26. Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    thanks for all your help
    come on though, Ive answered your many questions its a proven compound and the Anti-E effects are quite apparent and documented as well and you want me to spoon feed you studies I have no access to or you wont be pleased....

    Ive given you a considerable amount of info on Epistane and its parent compound Thioderon (Mepitiostane) and if you REALLY have to have that study or further info you can use your god given abilities to do so and search.

    I am a helpful individual but cant and wont help those who arent willing to help themselves.

    good luck in your search pilot.

  27. kinda funny the extensiveness of most wiki profiles on subjects BUT the only damn thing they have on Mepitiostane is this.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mepitiostane
    Mepitiostane (INN) is an antiestrogen.

  28. heres this from steroid Guru, Dr. Seth Elliot

    http://www.anabolicextreme.com/anabo...allyactive.htm
    What the…? I realize that most of you have never heard of Epitiostanol as it is a relatively obscure steroid used for breast cancer that is only available in Japan. Again you might say, “How does a drug used for breast cancer work for us extreme fitness types?” Well, Epitiostanol was actually developed back in the 1960’s and has an extremely good anabolic/androgenic ratio. This means that it causes a whole host of positive effects in the body with minimal negative androgenic effects. The reason it was used for breast cancer is that it was shown to exert a potent anti-estrogenic effect which halted the progression of estrogen-stimulated cancers. What wonderful characteristics to have in a steroid! Great muscle growth with small androgenic phenomenon with no estrogenic problems like gyno…sounds like the perfect steroid!

  29. on a template of Sex hormones in the human body this was listed...

    notice the ONLY anti estrogen found in the human body...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Sex_hormones

  30. heres a facts page on tamoxifen citrate an known SERM and anti-E... just so happens they also list an entire list of OTHER anti E compounds... guess what just so happens to be on that list???

    http://chemicalland21.com/lifescienc...%20CITRATE.htm
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