[Rugger]

My BMR is approximately 2950-3300

My concerns:
1) no veggies. Are they really that important? Lol I know they are. It's not that I don't like them, I just hate preparing them and they fill up my stomach so much. Say I did get some, a 'mixed bag', how much would I need to eat to not feel guilty about not eating any?



Advice appreciated.

[epixep]

Dude gotta get some veggies in there! Steamed broccoli is really easy to make and tastes like nothing...

Also, 80g of protein in one sitting is a waste no? I don't think that our bodies use that much at one time. Steady consumption of 30-40g is what I usually see recommended.

[Rugger]

Originally Posted by epixep

Dude gotta get some veggies in there! Steamed broccoli is really easy to make and tastes like nothing...

Also, 80g of protein in one sitting is a waste no? I don't think that our bodies use that much at one time. Steady consumption of 30-40g is what I usually see recommended.

Okay I just noticed 110g of protein before bed is ridiculous. So I cut out the whey from the prebed shake and added a serving of rice earlier in the day. That 80g protein in a meal, meh. We'll see how it goes, there's always room for adjustment. It is a post workout meal, too.

[futurepilot]

theres actually "veggie pills"

http://www.nutritionstreet.com/fruit...table_pill.php

this i just one of many. But ive found that it can help getting in all the nutrients you need.

[OCCFan023]

You know there important lol.

Honestly I went through a lazy period of eating no veggies and then recently got back into having 3 servings of broccoli or asparagus a day (and one before bed) and I can honestly say my overall bodily functions and feeling was tremendously improved.

Raw broccoli isn't always the easiest thing to get down but if you have the time you really should.

[TheStu]

Hello, all...I'm gonna use this opportunity to introduce myself as I'm new to posting, although I've been reading for a while. Most everyone here seems like good people! Y'all have made me feel welcome without even saying it.

Rugger, I'm no nutritionist, but I've learned a thing or two planning my own meals. I work an average of 12-16 hours a day ...sitting in a car no less... I'm NOT a natural meal planner, and I definitely don't have time for cooking. My advice is to get creative with your veggies. It doesn't always have to be a filling chore to eat them.

I enjoy fresh snow peas, celery, baby carrots, green peppers, cucumbers, cherry tomatoes, heck I'll even eat full-size tomatoes like apples from time to time (call me crazy for that, my friends do...)

But seriously, depending on the meal, I'll eat my proteins/fats/carbs then munch on whatever vegetable I've packed. I stick to veggies that are good fresh -- might be something to try. Little or no prep!

[Manimalia]

Originally Posted by Rugger1

My BMR is approximately 2950-3300

My concerns:
1) no veggies. Are they really that important? Lol I know they are. It's not that I don't like them, I just hate preparing them and they fill up my stomach so much. Say I did get some, a 'mixed bag', how much would I need to eat to not feel guilty about not eating any?



Advice appreciated.

That is not a healthy diet at all in my opinion. You are doing nothing to faciliate proper metabolization/digestion. Vegetables are very important, and since most are extremely low in calories, you should have no problem working them in. Hell, you're on a Havoc cycle, a few hundred to a thousand calories extra shouldn't be much of a problem.

You need at lease nine servings of fruit/vegetables per day. Reasons being that they are powerhouses of well-absorbed nutrients and fiber.

I used to eat like that, the way your diet looks. Changing it was the best thing I have done so far. Vegetables( celery, brocolli, green beans, cauliflower, SPINACH (love dat iron!) ) and fruits (fruits not so high in sugar like berries and apples) heat your furnace to better burn fuel/absorb fuel/secrete the by-products of that fuel. Your "engine" will run clean. TRY IT.

Other than that, looks good. Protein/Complex carbs are high, but you gotta get that furnace fired up to burn em'. just my .02.

[Manimalia]

Originally Posted by TheStu

Hello, all...I'm gonna use this opportunity to introduce myself as I'm new to posting, although I've been reading for a while. Most everyone here seems like good people! Y'all have made me feel welcome without even saying it.

Rugger, I'm no nutritionist, but I've learned a thing or two planning my own meals. I work an average of 12-16 hours a day ...sitting in a car no less... I'm NOT a natural meal planner, and I definitely don't have time for cooking. My advice is to get creative with your veggies. It doesn't always have to be a filling chore to eat them.

I enjoy fresh snow peas, celery, baby carrots, green peppers, cucumbers, cherry tomatoes, heck I'll even eat full-size tomatoes like apples from time to time (call me crazy for that, my friends do...)

But seriously, depending on the meal, I'll eat my proteins/fats/carbs then munch on whatever vegetable I've packed. I stick to veggies that are good fresh -- might be something to try. Little or no prep!

exactamundo. you don't have to cook em' and they're convenient as apples. also, since they are not cooked, the nutrients are still abundant within them. that's the best/most convenient thing for you and your body.

[Manimalia]

oh, and why no red meat? don't eat that fish and turkey grounds too much. they ain't got nothin' on that slab o' beef, homie!

[TheStu]

Originally Posted by Manimalia

exactamundo. you don't have to cook em' and they're convenient as apples. also, since they are not cooked, the nutrients are still abundant within them. that's the best/most convenient thing for you and your body.

Excellent point.

Also, I'm not positive about fiber breakdown from cooking, but it would seem that the fresher the better (at least as far as veg are concerned). Though epixep mentioned steamed broccoli, which is always good.

Seems like a waste of time (& $) to me to take some canned vegetables and microwave the **it out of 'em LOL yuck I'm having nightmarish flashbacks to my childhood, "EAT YOUR PEAS!"

[Manimalia]

Originally Posted by TheStu

Excellent point.

Also, I'm not positive about fiber breakdown from cooking, but it would seem that the fresher the better (at least as far as veg are concerned). Though epixep mentioned steamed broccoli, which is always good.

Seems like a waste of time (& $) to me to take some canned vegetables and microwave the **it out of 'em LOL yuck I'm having nightmarish flashbacks to my childhood, "EAT YOUR PEAS!"

yeah, you should just eat cardboard if you eat canned veggies. don't get me wrong, they may still be A BIT good for you, but a lot is lost in the way of good and gained in the way of bad (sodium). heck, frozen ain't even that great. i advocate fresh fresh fresh. they seem to burn best when they're fresh and still 'alive.' we know what's good!

[Manimalia]

Originally Posted by epixep

Dude gotta get some veggies in there! Steamed broccoli is really easy to make and tastes like nothing...

Also, 80g of protein in one sitting is a waste no? I don't think that our bodies use that much at one time. Steady consumption of 30-40g is what I usually see recommended.

yeah, but he's on a havoc cycle in this diet, so he can definitely/should definitely consume more. i'd say that 400g would be the number to shoot for. i'd bump the carbs to 400g as well, but then again, i think i weigh more. he's right about where he should be in this thing nutrition-wise, but just needs to throw in some colorful growing things.

[Hurleyboy05]

While it may not be as beneficial, they do make supps (ex. juiceplus+) that have the same nutrients as a couple of servings of veggies. It's not the same, but it may be a good transitional supp for you. It would definitely let you see/feel what you're missing (and if you want to start using)

"yeah, you should just eat cardboard if you eat canned veggies." - this is an ignorant statement