Last year me and my workout buddy went to distant college's. He was about 23% bf 200lbs and I was 165lbs at 14%. We are both 6ft tall. He had been lifting for about 3 years, without much knowlegde and I had just finished cutting from his size over 6months (as long as I had been lifting). We had very similar genetics. So we meet in the gym a few month later over christmas break, he had not touched the gym and barely ate for 3 months. He was about the same size as I had been and I had put on 10 pounds so I was kinda putting it in his face. He was at about 16% bf though.
So, I went back to school after the break and he took the semester off (couldn't handle college=why he barely ate, etc). So after second semester I come back to the gym and see this huge guy in the gym and I'm like who is that???? It was him!! He was now 210lbs at 16% (45lbs in about 3 months). I was like WTF and asked how?
He simply said since he had no job, it was winter, and nothing else to do, he simply spent 3hrs a day in the gym, 6 days a week. He just ate, slept, and lifted 3 hrs a day (way overtraining). The only supps he used was 1 scoop whey preworkout....nothing post. He doesn't know much about supps and all that btw....he couldn't even feed himself at college. I will also note that he was a hairy monster now lol.
So how???? He overtrained, had no structured routine or diet, no real supps and put on an amazing 45lbs (almost all lean...for an endo). These were not beginner gains either, he was lifting for 3 years prior. He was 19 at the time...did he get a steroid like natural test boost or something? This is crazy. Anyways I had to eat my words and swallow hard after chuckling at him during Christmas break.
No Bloat. You have to understand, this guy is a momma's boy and not independent at all. He just started whey, there's no way he does roids or knows anything about them. He buys his whey at a local Rite Aid Pharmacy, which doesn't carry PH's so that is ruled out. I can't explain it.