[imprezivr6]

Anyone use CKD, or TKD for mass gaining? What were your results? Is it something you would do again, or just stick to a more traditional approach?

I am currently on a 10day break from the gym, and started CKD, at just under maintence. When i get back i am trying to decide if i should resume my normal "bulking" diet, or give CKD A go. I figured in these 10days, it would give my body ample time to see how i felt on no carbs..

Any help would be much appreciated.

[Al Shades]

I can get up to about 2,700 calories on a pure keto diet. Sadly, I need 3,500 to gain, so the rest of it has to come from carbs.

I would say that if you are capable of getting enough calories for bulking without carbs, then there is no reason NOT to do it.

Every aspect of low-carb diets that makes them great for cutting, also makes them great for clean bulking. The diet is highly anabolic and will raise your T levels in no time.

If your body is already adjusted to keto, you shouldn't have any of the normal transition problems that people experience.

If you have energy problems, take B-vitamins. Sodium intake tends to run high on low-carb diet, so you'll want to increase your water intake in order to offset water retention.

[imprezivr6]

Thanks for the reply.

I am getting 2700 cals no problem right now...lol I can see myself easily getting down 4k cals on this diet..

I just wonder if i will make mass gains on a carb depleted diet. I have always been on the thought process of "ya need carbs to gain mass" So this is hard for me to get past.

As for the transition.. That was my exact reason for trying this now on my 10day break.. I figured i could see how i feel, make the transition, and be ready to go come training time.

Honestly so far i feel totally fine. No real sides that some notice on CKD.

[nelix]

I would love to see how you go on this...
Just make sure your refeeds are awesome, you will soon notice if you are not (you will feel weak in the legs and you will lift like ****).

[imprezivr6]

Originally Posted by nelix

I would love to see how you go on this...
Just make sure your refeeds are awesome, you will soon notice if you are not (you will feel weak in the legs and you will lift like ****).

Thanks for the advice.. I was thinking of starting my refeeds saturday mid day(3pm) and doing them untill about 5pm sunday. But with that said should i be eating normal pro/fat meals before my refeeds start sat, and after they end sunday?

I just can't decide if i want to commit to trying this or not.. I would hate to be spinning my wheels for a month or so, when i could be making good gains..

I can normally gain at about 3200-3500, so i wouldn't see not making progress getting down 4k cals, no carb. With refeeds.

Any advice from experienced CKD/TKD'ers is appreciated.

[beallio]

Originally Posted by imprezivr6

Thanks for the advice.. I was thinking of starting my refeeds saturday mid day(3pm) and doing them untill about 5pm sunday. But with that said should i be eating normal pro/fat meals before my refeeds start sat, and after they end sunday?

I just can't decide if i want to commit to trying this or not.. I would hate to be spinning my wheels for a month or so, when i could be making good gains..

I can normally gain at about 3200-3500, so i wouldn't see not making progress getting down 4k cals, no carb. With refeeds.

Any advice from experienced CKD/TKD'ers is appreciated.

I'm on a CKD right now (first timer), and let me tell you the inital adjustment can be rough. I wouldn't base how you will feel on the diet on your first day assessment - i would hedge my bets that you would have negative feedback. Just ride it out if you go down this path - once adjusted it's awesome (at least for me). Caveat emptor.

[ozarkaBRAND]

Do a partial Keto diet in which you limit carbs to immediately post workout and for the 4 to 6 hours following the workout. That's what I'm doing right now - with a few other specifications - and I love it.

[nelix]

Also medium chain triglyceride's (from virgin coconut oil) can help with stamina.

[imprezivr6]

Originally Posted by beallio

I'm on a CKD right now (first timer), and let me tell you the inital adjustment can be rough. I wouldn't base how you will feel on the diet on your first day assessment - i would hedge my bets that you would have negative feedback. Just ride it out if you go down this path - once adjusted it's awesome (at least for me). Caveat emptor.

I am on day 2 right now and i feel totally normal.. I am a lil hot feeling but that is about it.. I can't say i am sluggish, or foggy, etc.

Thanks for the advice!

Do a partial Keto diet in which you limit carbs to immediately post workout and for the 4 to 6 hours following the workout. That's what I'm doing right now - with a few other specifications - and I love it.

That is more along the lines of TKD, in which carbs are consumed around workouts..

What kind of muscle building gains are you seeing on this?

Also medium chain triglyceride's (from virgin coconut oil) can help with stamina.

Thanks!


ANyone else used CKD/TKD to bulk?

[ozarkaBRAND]

That is more along the lines of TKD, in which carbs are consumed around workouts..

What kind of muscle building gains are you seeing on this?

I'm doing a cycle at the moment, and the gains are totally there.. So I'd imagine it would still be effective when natural... or, I hope. lol

[imprezivr6]

Just wanted to give a lil update..

I am on day 4 of CKD.. I am noticing no side effects that allot notice at the begining.. I was taking this week off from the gym, but decided to go in and workout today just to see how i felt.. Strength is the exact same, even though i have been on CKD for a 3days, at almost 1k calories less then i was on my previous bulking diet..

I am going to finish this week out at 2600 cals, then monday bump calories up to about 3600, and get back into the gym

I weighed in today at 189.2, and was 194.6lbs when i weighed myself sunday morning(started CKD Monday)

I feel 100x less bloated, no gas, it is great so far. I still look pretty full, but much drier. I wish i was still on DRIVE as the vascularity and muscle hardness would be much greater i am sure.

If this is supposed to be the hardest week, i can't wait to see how i do on 1k more cals, and after my body has really adjusted.

Don't get me wrong i LOVE carbs, but mabey my body just prefers to burn fat for fuel..

[beallio]

Originally Posted by imprezivr6

JI am going to finish this week out at 2600 cals, then monday bump calories up to about 3600, and get back into the gym

Typically you want to start out at maintenance to adjust, but also to counter most of the adverse side effects one may encounter while crossing over.

I myself went below maintenance at the beginning as well, although not on purpose. I just couldn't eat....my appetite has been severely curbed on this diet, whereas on carbs I would be hungary 30 min after eating...

Originally Posted by imprezivr6

I feel 100x less bloated, no gas, it is great so far. I still look pretty full, but much drier.

Ditto. QFT.

[imprezivr6]

Originally Posted by beallio

Typically you want to start out at maintenance to adjust, but this also to counter most the adverse side effects one will encounter while crossing over.

I myself went below maintenance at the beginning as well, although not on purpose. I just couldn't eat....my appetite has been severely curved on this diet, whereas on carbs I would be hungary 30 min after eating...




Ditto. QFT.

That is crazy bro.. I think my appetite is much greater on this diet. I am always hungry.. Possably because i am consuming far less cals then i was before.

We will see how i do come monday when i step it up to the 3500+ range.

[Distilled Water]

Originally Posted by beallio

Typically you want to start out at maintenance to adjust, but this also to counter most the adverse side effects one will encounter while crossing over.

I myself went below maintenance at the beginning as well, although not on purpose. I just couldn't eat....my appetite has been severely curved on this diet, whereas on carbs I would be hungary 30 min after eating...




Ditto. QFT.

I dont have the study but I remember reading on here and in on eof my nutrition classes that carb free diets surpress the appetite much more than diets with carbs.....just take me word,lol.