Bodybuilders versus Strongmen
08-01-2007 11:36 AM
Now there's some good advice.
Originally Posted by RenegadeRows
Soseg, I'll have to look up the fallen strongmen. Marius will be back and he did get 2nd last year.
08-01-2007 09:36 PM
lets hope he comes back again
i havent seen anyone in my gym do deadlifts or bent over rows or those other t-bar rows i think theyre called with the weight on one side of the bar etc
tho i do go in the mornings and a few of the bigger guys do come just as im about to leave, i have spent a few gym sessions with them and dont ever see them doing anything impressive except squatting - one large guy yesterday i noticed was doing something like 300lbs but half range of motion.. :\
im just wondering anyway - everyone in forums n articles says "squat and deadlift if u wana get big" ...why exactly is that? my guess is ur thigh muscles are huge if u wana add bodyweight do ur thighs and ditto for the back, broaden out ur shoulders - also if u have strong legs and a strong back im thinkin later on its easier to stand and support say a barbell when ur curling and focus all ur energy into just curling it rather than trying to balance standing with it?
08-01-2007 10:42 PM
Deadlift and either of the rows are great for adding back mass. I had some issue with a disc in my back and couldn't do any of those lifts for a few years. I had to do machine and cable lifts like lat pulldowns. My back has gotten much bigger since I reincorporated rows and deads into my routine.
Originally Posted by soseg
Deads and squat just hit so many muscle groups and cause you to grow fast. Always do full squats. Your hamstrings will thank you. If you aren't too familiar with how to do deads or squats truly right, check out the book Starting Strength. I've been llifting for 14 years and looked at it not so long ago only to realize that I was doing a couple minor things wrong that made a big difference.
08-01-2007 10:54 PM
yea nearly all of the guys at my gym i see squatting dont go down to the point where you're meant too.
i go down to the point where my thighs are parallel with the ground. the only difficult thing is trying to keep my knees behind my toes to keep the pressure/stress off my joints - i was told that by a gym instructor, but i think im doing it right. im still small and am only in my 7th week of working out and ive added 44lbs to my squat so far. at first it was unco but now i like it, its a killer.
just finding my deadlifts get me really exhausted. i might have to do those different grips ive heard about ie where one palm faces backwards the other forwards. i think another 20-40lbs and my wrists will give out holding the bar
08-02-2007 11:38 AM
It's supposed to be harder on your knees to do half squats than full ones. Keep it up with the full squats. At the bottom, you should get more of a bounce from your hamstrings being stretched. I wouldn't go too slow at the bottom or you will lose that extra bounce. Shooting my knees out wider as I go down to incorporate more adductor and holding the bar lower on my back are the two things that I've changed recently that have really helped my squat.
Originally Posted by soseg
Deadlfit is pretty brutal. I feel beat up for a few days after doing it so it makes sense why so few people do it. I'd go with the double overhand grip for as long as you can to keep your grip strong. When you can't hold it that way any longer, switch to the over-under.
08-02-2007 01:13 PM
Strongmen are NOT POWERLIFTERS
Most Strongman events require a great deal of endurance. Additionally, Strongmen events are nearly all functional strength.
Powerlifting is 3 events: bench press, squat, deadlift. Powerlifting is whatever you max lift is in each. 1 rep only is required.
Training styles for Strongmen and Powerlifters is drastically different.
Bodybuilders also train differently from either, however some bodybuidlers train like powerlifters. Bodybuilders train purely for hypertrophy. Training for powerlifting however will cause a significant amount of hypertrophy anyway, thus some powerlifters become bodybuilders, and some bodybuilders are powerlifters. JJ is an example. New IFBB Pro Ben White was purely a powerlifter until like 2005 or 2006 I think.
How you train should be based on your goals. If you want functional strength, find some strongman routines. If you want to put up the heaviest poundages you possibly can, get some powerlifting routines. If you want to be as big as possible find some hypertrophy based routines.
As for amount of fat, that's your diet, plain and simple.
08-06-2007 01:36 PM
This thread reads like a playground fact fight! Thats not to say there aren't useful posts in here but theres a lot of vagueries being tossed about.
very basically as im no expert-
Strength comes from simoultaneous activation of muscle fibres, this is achieved by very heavy weight training where reps above about 6 are not possible. The contractions consist of primarily white muscle tissue with low blood supply, thus the muscles are smaller and denser yet less able to transport lactic acid away and thus can only work for few reps. This muscle tends to appear as a result of CNS training (central nervous system - low rep). However it is rarely the amount of it that is relevent but more the ability of the persons nervous system to contract more fibres at once, thus large quantities are not required.
Bulk Muscle mass, in the main, consists of red muscle that is permuted with many blood vessels. This muscle type has a good blood supply (hence its color) and can operate for longer, its fibres are activated sequentially to allow for recovery, thus more fibres are required. Due to its structure it is larger physically than the white muscle and the body tends to generate it in response to workouts that induce a 'pump' and ideally hypertrophy. All red muscle mass gain is driven in the main by testosterone (along with other anabolic hormones), which is why women and pre-teens can be strong but never big (without roids).
Thats all hugely simplified but the rest of the info is both on here and all over the net to be researched.
08-06-2007 01:53 PM
Power Lifters and Strongmen are different types of events. Plus powerlifters are not all fat. That's the unlimited class. There are limited weight classes and the guys tend to be fairly lean in my experience. It's just the monsters who get the most attention because they tend to put up the most weight.
Originally Posted by nycste
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