- 11-12-2006, 06:03 PM
Just for fun
i put this in the bulking forum only because i'm not cutting and i'm striving to put on lean mass .. i stopped "bulking" and "cutting" .. i found that while bulking i didn't really add any more muscle when i increased my cals a lot .. just added more fat which necessitated cutting ... i'll still tighten up my diet if i feel i want to be leaner but this is usually a 3 week thing and not a "cut"
9am - 1 cup oats, 8 egg whites, 1 scoop protein powder
12pm - 1 cup oats, 2 scoops whey (pre workout)
2:30pm - 1 cup oats, 2 scoops whey (post workout)
5pm - 2 cans tuna, low fat mayo to taste, 4 pieces 100% natural whole wheat bread (pepperidge farm makes natural bread with no corn syrup, wheat gluten, etc.)
8pm - 1 can chicken, lots of nuts (peanuts, cashews, almonds)
before bed - 1 can chicken, lots of nuts, 1.5-2 teaspoons metamucil
9am - 1 cup oats 8 egg whites, 1 scoop protein powder
12pm - 2 cans tuna, low fat mayo to taste, 4 pieces 100% natty whole wheat bread
3pm - same as noon
5 or 6pm - 1 cup oats, 8 egg whites, 1 scoop protein powder
8 pm - 1 can chicken, lots of nuts
before bed - 1 can chicken, lots of nuts, 1.5-2 teaspoons metamucil
typical weekend day (what i have eaten so far today)
10am - 3 egg omlette w/american cheese and broccolli, 2 eggs, ham, american cheese on a hard roll, and a stack of 3 pancakes with maple syrup
12pm - steak and mozzeralla panini, espresso brownie
3pm - 1 can tuna, low fat mayo to taste, 2 pieces 100% whole wheat bread
6pm (currently eating) - 2 slices pizza
*9pm - 1 can chicken lots of nuts
*before bed - 2 scoops protein powder, nuts, 1.5-2teaspoons metamucil
*-yet to occur, but likely what i will eat
as you can see .. i basically eat whatever the hell i want on the weekends and don't worry about it .. i do try to stay away from complete junk but then again i did have that brownie and the 2 slices of pizza
take this for what its worth .. i know my body and know what i need to eat and what i can get away with .. i'm currently at least as lean as i am in my avatar and slowly gaining muscle
Last edited by glenihan; 12-19-2006 at 12:43 AM.
- 11-12-2006, 07:29 PM
thats a'nice... high five
I'm like that as well now too. I don't have a "bulk" diet or a "cut" diet.. I just manipulate carbs and fats based on my goals. It's usually shifting every 2 weeks either way.
Weekend "cheats" aren't as cheat-like as they used to be..
Looks good. I only eat white albacore now, chunk light tastes like cat food to me now. I also have way more red meat, but that's because I'm dangerous like that.
I like it Glen... Like I said I fully subscribe to "lean mass eating", instead of bulk/cut yo-yos that has plagued us all in the past.
- 11-12-2006, 08:40 PM
Man...looks good. Whats the macro breakdown? Also...what do you consider a lot of nuts? 1.5-2oz?E-Pharm Nutrition Representative
11-12-2006, 10:32 PM
Generally one teabagging from Beelze and he's satieted.. or half of one of mine in his mouth.. and he's done..... Give or take.Originally Posted by rampage jackson
11-13-2006, 12:13 AM
Hmmmm, seeing that relatively little quantity of food (compared to the all-you-can-eat bulkers out there) on someone with that much lean mass makes me want to rethink my lean bulking habits.
11-13-2006, 12:44 AM
Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
That's a good plan Glen, it's always better to go for quality mass IMO. How much do normally gain a month with this diet ?
11-13-2006, 06:32 AM
Thanks glen for posting your diet. I must say with a diet like that you would need to cheat on the weekends to keep your sanity! Disturbing images UBI...haha sick human you are. Also interested in the macros for that diet. i also think i am with you on this eating extra for bulking adds more fat than anything idea. IMO and from my experience so far, majority of cals should come from Post workout(the biggest meal) and your first meal.
11-13-2006, 09:15 AM
Glen, the only thing I would be worried about (for myself at least) is the high acidic content of the food you are eating. Protein is a given, but that much oatmeal can also be leading to an acidic state as well as the whole wheat bread. What about alkaline fruits and veggies and alkaline carbs?
Of course, if you dont have any stomach issues to begin with, ENJOY.....I used to eat the same way but now have had to really revamp my diet.
11-13-2006, 09:17 AM
could that cause heartburn? Maybe that is my problem alot of the times too. What is an alkaline fruit?Originally Posted by Scottyo
11-13-2006, 09:24 AM
I think that most fruits are alkaline, but the best ones are bananas and grapefruits. If you are getting heartburn, then you should start taking digestive enzymes about 10-15 minutes before you eat.Originally Posted by pistonpump
11-13-2006, 10:40 AM
carbs - 200g
pro - 390g
fat - 60g
total - 2900 cals (for workout and nonworkout days)
as for the weekends i have no idea i don't keep track
"lots of nuts" means around 2oz (70 or so peanuts)
this personally works well for me as i'm fairly sensitive to carbs .. others might need a lot more carbs to bulk up .. or more fats or just a different breakdown in general
11-13-2006, 10:41 AM
i don't have any stomach issues so i really have never thought about the acidity and whatnotOriginally Posted by Scottyo
11-13-2006, 10:42 AM
well that's hard to quantify ... depends on a lot of things .. how active i am outside of training .. what i'm onOriginally Posted by Iron Warrior
i judge my gains by the tape measure and not the scale but i would say i generally gain about 5lbs of lean mass a year (at this point in my development) and i'm very content with that
11-14-2006, 10:35 AM
i should also mention that my total cals are probably at least 100 cals higher
i only counted the main thing i eat a food for .. i.e. i only counted the carbs in the oats and not the fat and protein, i only counted the fats in the nuts and not the protein, etc. ... since i just did a quick calculation in my head
11-14-2006, 04:44 PM
Somebody saw Borat... funniest movie ever.Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
Glen - Thanks for posting the diet. I am 100% with you on the neverending lean bulk and avoiding the bulk/cut/bulk/cut rollercoaster... Unfortunately, I now have quite a bit of fat due to a 2-year illness (now cured), which will necessitate a single cut to get down to ~10%. But after that, it's endless lean bulk all the way.
11-14-2006, 10:00 PM
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11-21-2006, 05:33 PM
umm no real reason just don't really eat that much fruit .. if its around i'll eat it but i usually don't buy it
11-26-2006, 09:07 PM
Here's a good mayo to use anytime. This is the ONLY time you'll hear the words VEGAN uttered from my mouth other than to slander or belittle them. The grapeseed oil stuff is the sh!t!
Follow Your Heart / Earth Island: Vegenaise
11-26-2006, 10:48 PM
the mayo only has 1 gram of saturated fat and 4 grams of unsaturated .. i'm really not concerned over it
good link though
11-28-2006, 10:49 PM
What's up Glen.
Judging from your pic, your diet definitely works. But for general health & lowering disease risk, some fruit & veggie will do you good. Even if you added a couple of measly fruits a day + a couple cups of something green, you'll suddenly be an international man of mystery, like Austin Powers.
11-28-2006, 11:02 PM
11-28-2006, 11:15 PM
who says you should?
ok wait I checked Alan's site.. screw it, I'm not going to argue with a nutritionist.
Alan, explain why Fruits and Veggies will turn Glen into this exalted man of mystery that we all strive to be.. .. If he's "carb sensitive", should he have his fruit pre and post training?
11-29-2006, 03:08 AM
I'm definately not Alan, but I would guess that any fruit (whatever tastes good & is convenient for you) is much better than none.
Also, AFAIK, there are plenty of fruits that are fairly low GI. Apples, Pears, Strawberries, Oranges, etc. The fructose & fiber help to keep it down.
11-29-2006, 03:13 AM
11-29-2006, 08:14 AM
I eat lots of broccolli and berries. Berries are easy you can just throw them in your oats or freeze them and blend in your protien shake. Blueberries and strawberries are my usual. Low in carbs and high in antioxidants too. Sometimes I get on a big melon kick too.. Watermelon, honey due, cantelope,..etc.
11-29-2006, 03:18 PM
Why?Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
A medium apple contains less than 10g of fructose. This ain't a can of corn syrup.
11-29-2006, 10:01 PM
Glen I am jealous here man! I wish I could gain on 2900-3k cals! It gets hard to eat the 5k a day I have been doing! I hear of some of these "larger" guys putting down 6-7k! I cant even imagine...
11-30-2006, 01:09 AM
Quite simply, I CKD. Fructose is a great saboteur of ketosis. Granted, I do partake in fruit on my frequent refeeds, but for the most part I stay away from Fruits.Originally Posted by Moyer
10g of Fructose could put me over my quota in a day if I am not careful, and I do not have as much leeway in regards to liver glycogen stores with Fructose.
People are welcome to challenge the idea, and more power to them for their love of fruit.
This is what works well for me, as diets are very much individualized.
My apologies for hijacking the thread.
11-30-2006, 01:52 AM
11-30-2006, 01:59 PM
if you EVER hijack one of my threads again YOU'LL WISH YOU HADN'T!!!!:bruce1:Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
or i probably just won't say anything because you tend to have useful and informative things to say
either way ....
11-30-2006, 02:04 PM
<START HIJACK> hahaha sorry, but real quick, ubiq do you bulk on CKD or any other keto-type diets by any chance? always had problems bulking with high-carb diets and putting on fat, being lethargic, etc, but test running a semi-CKD type bulk and feeling great. <END HIJACK>
11-30-2006, 02:20 PM
as opposed to a high carb bulking diet or a CDK why not try a high protein mod carbs and mod fats? ... personally i wouldn't gain on a cdk diet .. i'm not really sure how anyone could as you need carbs to build muscle
but try lowering your carbs and upping healthy fats and throw in some cardio 2 or 3 times a week to combat fat gain
12-01-2006, 02:11 AM
back to the fruit thing....I eat bananas, its like a staple for me i know its high in potassuim and taste great in shakes too! Bananas do a body good.
12-01-2006, 03:24 AM
exactly... I don't gain on CKD.. although I do gain strength.Originally Posted by glenihan
I gain when I do what Glen just pointed out... and I implement a moderate carb rotation with low-medium thoughout the week when I do.
I'm not scared of carbs, I just don't like fructose.. perhaps it's unfounded, but hey.. I never had a sweet tooth.
12-02-2006, 04:07 AM
I think whole fruit pre and/or posttraining is actually a good idea. A single fruit rarely hits 10g fructose. The good thing about a small amount of fructose is that it's the best substrate for replenishing liver glycogen. What most folks don't realize is that the liver is the 24-7 supplier of your blood's sugar level, even when you're not training. It's the only organ in your body that maintains your blood glucose levels. Muscle glycogen is pretty much locked for use during training by the muscle containing it.Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
Another thing most folks don't realize is that along with muscle glycogen, liver glycogen gets significantly tapped into during training as well. Little know fact is that liver glycogen use is intensity-dependent to boot. Unless your weight training bouts are like Richard Simmons, you're hitting up liver glycogen. What's so important about liver glycogen support?? More than many are even aware of. Swelling/hydration of the liver cells is one of the strongest anabolic/anti-catabolic signals in the body. This is achieved by making sure the so-called "fed state" is achieved via liver glycogenesis.
the thing people are typically afraid of with fructose is lipogenesis once glycogen stores are full. But alas, this is a misunderstanding. 1st of all, it would take a ****load of fruit to fill up hepatic glycogen stores to any degree of concern. And even in the event that glycogen storage depots are full, carbs will not necessarily get converted to bodyfat automatically. There could still a wide margin of energy/calories that need to be spent to support basal processes, as well as voluntary activity. Even if ALL the glycogen depots are full, the elevated thermic demand of the trained state determines that those carbs get used to generate ATP, and not converted to stored fat.
12-02-2006, 04:13 AM
Choose only the fruits you like the taste of, they're the ones your individual physiology likely favors.Originally Posted by glenihan
12-02-2006, 07:40 AM
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