[hardknock]

Originally Posted by Bobo

Well, to put it simply, you are wrong. I don't know where you are getting your information but there is nothing special about protein that only lets to utilize and absorb a certain amount before increased gluconeogenesis occurs. That is based mostly on energy requirements and not the chemical strucutre of a macronutrient.

If you have a degree in "food science" (not familiuar with that one) then you should be aware of several studies using leucine infusion that show very high absortion rates when protein intake is high.

He may, (however, this is old ) but, he may have been talking about studies showing not much of an added benefit of taking in more, than say, estimated-1.5g per/lb...

I was able to boost my weight from 185 to 202-05 using 55% carbs, 30% proteins, 15% fats. Turn around and cut it to 190ish. Now im doing the same thing, but using 45% proteins, but my weight is increasing slightly less than before....was shooting for 215ish, but im going to have to increase my carb intake again, like the before

[Jay Mc]

Originally Posted by Bobo

Well, to put it simply, you are wrong. I don't know where you are getting your information but there is nothing special about protein that only lets to utilize and absorb a certain amount before increased gluconeogenesis occurs. That is based mostly on energy requirements and not the chemical strucutre of a macronutrient.

If you have a degree in "food science" (not familiuar with that one) then you should be aware of several studies using leucine infusion that show very high absortion rates when protein intake is high.

Guess it depends on who you read and what you believe. Consider a couple things: 1) the efficiency of protein metabolism increases with training 2) protein only accounts for about 20% of energy metabolism

all told 20% of calories in a hypercaloric diet should be more than adequate for even the super active.

One man's opinion...

[tylerwal]

I'm ok with gaining more fat while bulking as long as it's kept under control.

[Sooty]

Sometimes i just lose control, and my mind tells me that Taco Bell is healthy and clean.. but its not (maybe the salads are, but i get the huge burritos)

Thats why I gain fat... im close to the heaviest person im my family at 163. haha

[jmh80]

My answer is that I decide to have a cheat day. Then, that cheat day slowly starts creeping in to the diet to where every day is a cheat day (that's usually a week or so later).

It's d*mn hard to stop eating sh*tty once you get started.



Word to that Sooty. Word.

[exnihilo]

My weakness is food that is just sitting out at parties and what not. I've usually had one or two drinks at that point so my judgment is slightly imparied at that time. Sometimes I will also pick up a piece of candy at a checkout line when I'm hungry and I don't feel like waiting for my next meal. Neither of these is frequent so I try not to beat myself up over it too much.

I am actually eating pretty well these days, with the possible exception of more fiber/fresh veggies (yeah, I know) I don't really see what I could do to my diet to improve it. The sad thing is that keeping an internal meal schedule by deciding ahead of time when I am going to have my next meal, and putting all my meals into 16oz cottage cheese containers has made a bigger difference than anything.

[J. Peterman]

Originally Posted by hardknock

He may, (however, this is old ) but, he may have been talking about studies showing not much of an added benefit of taking in more, than say, estimated-1.5g per/lb...

I was able to boost my weight from 185 to 202-05 using 55% carbs, 30% proteins, 15% fats. Turn around and cut it to 190ish. Now im doing the same thing, but using 45% proteins, but my weight is increasing slightly less than before....was shooting for 215ish, but im going to have to increase my carb intake again, like the before

That is because of the thermic effects of protein, not because its "wasted".

And those studies were done on sedintary people.

Wow, old thread.

[J. Peterman]

Originally Posted by Jay Mc

Guess it depends on who you read and what you believe. Consider a couple things: 1) the efficiency of protein metabolism increases with training 2) protein only accounts for about 20% of energy metabolism

all told 20% of calories in a hypercaloric diet should be more than adequate for even the super active.

One man's opinion...

1.) But is proportionate to energy expenditure (ie, increased gluconeogenesis)

2.) But has a higher thermic effect than any other macronutrient. Now according to most literature that won't cause much but they are also basing that on the FDA recommendations of protein intake, not the 2-4x amounts seen with bodybuilders.

[Ripped1]

I have no problem with putting the weight on in the off season. I get to about 5000 caloris a day and weigh in at 210. I am shooting for 220-225 after this upcoming show. But I usually am at about 16% bf

[myfathersboy]

'cause bacon tastes good...Pork chops taste good.....

(Sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I wouldn't know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy mother****ers)

[jomi822]

the funny thing is...before i started weight training i could eat all day and night and not gain a pound of fat.

my sophomore year (high school) i ran track and played lacrosse and decided after lax ended i was going to gain "a few pounds". i went from 180 to 220ish in a little less than 5 months (no aas use), and almost none of it was fat. i think i owe that to being 16 and drinking a gallon of milk(1%) a day. my weight training regimine was retarded, in retrospect. i got called into the drug couselors office a few days after school started and he threatened to juice test me out the ass, never happend though.

since the huge lean mass gain i have found it much easier to pack on fat. it almost makes me wish i had never thought about getting hyooooooge. now ive worked my way nicely into the fat winters and the freaknasty muscle summers. in my opinion it doesnt compare to being in "ok" shape year round and eating whatever you want.

there is no time like the present, so i would say now my biggest problem with fat gain is the fact that when i just load myself up with protein, fat, carbs, whatever, my muscle mass and strength load up as well. cutting out the cals means cutting out my strength. unacceptable.

[TUCKER]

i used to eat what ever i wanted without gaining fat..then i tried tho gnc weight gainers when i was younger and that created the stomach fat problem...its been a pain in the ass since

[theshocker21]

FAT Intake. You have to remember that your body has no problem storing a Saturated Fat because it is already in Storage form. When bulking its hard to eat excess calories when the "fatty" flavor isn't there. Well, that is my problem.

[Sooty]

I think I probably get a lot of my fat from milk. I drink pretty much 1 gallon or so a day, sometimes 2. My parents hate. This is the 2 percent stuff and has some fat in it.

Other than that, i really dont eat or drink anything that has a lot of fat in it.

Oh and i dont do cardio very often, maybe 2 two four hours a week total.

[darkpoet3113]

i'm a horribly endo, but when bulking i really dont give a feck about gaining fat. ****.. as long as you're eating all natural wholesome foods MOST of the time feck it! i what i do is if i'm gaining excess fat during bulking... i try to cut my carbs down a bit.. just don't eat so much ****! lol
cheers,
darkpoet3113

[BOHICA]

Because bulking isn't fun if you don't get to eat good foods. That eating clean **** is for the birds