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    New to the forum trying to gain weight and fix tendons


    This is my first post on this forum. To start, I have tendonitis in my knees and a nagging shoulder. I started the HSR (heavy slow resistance) Training for the knees. There's a study that shows it increases collagen synthesis greatly. I was doing it twice a week but it was pretty painful. I take fish oil, and tumeric but it doesn't help much. Occasionally I take prescription painkillers but I hate their effects on T. I'm young and I have low libido, I dont need any more problems with it. To combat this I'm running about a 40% fat diet with lots of olive oil, 40% carbs, 20% protein.
    My stats, measured with an Inbody230 at my local gym:
    age: 18
    height 5'9"
    weight 147.7 (gained 17 pounds in the last couple years)
    bf 9% (down from 12% in the last couple years)
    Bench:just recently started benching again with my shoulder, 160
    Squat:I stick to around 135, painful
    Deadlift: I cant get into position to deadlift without my whole back rounding, i guess i have no flexibility.



    Anyways, back to the point. I've been researching aas,phs, hgh, igf, and peptides, and I've came to the conclusion that for now since I'm still young I'm gonna go with CJC 1295 w/o DAC and GHRP-6 for injury healing and appetite promoting effects. Anavar is a possibility down the road due to it being on the mild side of suppression and greatly increasing collagen synthesis in the tendons. I've taken Formeron for a couple months and it definitely boosted my T a bit, but I may stop or limit it trying to recover the joints.

    I'm pretty smart for my age and I'd like to get a degree in nutrition, exercise physiology, pharmacology and psychology. So any concepts you guys can run by me I'll probably understand or will atleast try to. I trust this board more than my local personal trainers, they're mostly full of BS and all about the money, naturally.

    My questions are:
    What have you guys found effective for tendonitis? Supplements, training, diet?
    What supplements could you recommend for low libido, mood?
    Any comments or suggestions?

    I'm looking to help add to this wealth of information through my discoveries over time.

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    One thing is that your protein intake looks to be on the low side, IMO u shouldn't get any less than 30% of your diet from protein. Aim for at least 1g per lb of your bodyweight
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    I've read numerous studies that suggest otherwise, man.
    "Tarnopolsky et al. (1992) observed no differences in whole body protein synthesis or indexes of lean body mass in strength athletes consuming either 0.64g/lb or 1.10g/lb over a 2 week period. Protein oxidation did increase in the high protein group, indicating a nutrient overload.
    • Walberg et al. (1988) found that 0.73g/lb was sufficient to maintain positive nitrogen balance in cutting weightlifters over a 7 day time period.
    • Tarnopolsky et al. (1988) found that only 0.37g/lb was required to maintain positive nitrogen balance in elite bodybuilders (over 5 years of experience, possible previous use of androgens) over a 10 day period. 0.45g/lb was sufficient to maintain lean body mass in bodybuilders over a 2 week period. The authors suggested that 0.55g/lb was sufficient for bodybuilders.
    • Lemon et al. (1992) found no differences in muscle mass or strength gains in novice bodybuilders consuming either 0.61g/lb or 1.19g/lb over a 4 week period. Based on nitrogen balance data, the authors recommended 0.75g/lb.
    • Hoffman et al. (2006) found no differences in body composition, strength or resting hormonal concentrations in strength athletes consuming either 0.77g/lb or >0.91g/lb over a 3 month period."

    However I HAVE seen a negative effect of going too high on protein.
    (fat-to-carb-to-protein ratio (30%-50%-20% is ideal, respectively.) Too much protein and not enough carbs lowers testosterone significantly. Increasing dietary fats is correlated with increased testosterone, with saturated fats and monounsaturated being most important.
    To be honest, my main concern is my low T. Its too low for being 18, and my body image is secondary to how I feel. So naturally i'd opt for higher fats for the wellbeing.
    Some new herbs I bought lately include
    Tribulus (LH), Ashwagandha (Cortisol), Horny goat weed (pde inhibitor for better erections), passionflower (mild maois harmine and harmaline might improve confidence and relaxation, also estrogen control even though its of poor bioavailibility), and ephedra tea for pre workout.
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    I recommend you give joint help a go first.. its got patented paractin in it along with cisuss. you are young. and just because you can acess these things on the internet doesn't mean its a good idea. those peptides are nothing to sneeze at. you act as though your at the end of your rope but I didn't see any were in your post that you've seen a specialist concerning your issues..? did I mis read the post.. I kinda glossed over it... you said you like to think your smart, yet nothing in your post leads me to believe your going about this smartly. plz rethink this approach
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    I left out some details to make this more concise. Ive seen 2 doctors and 1 chiropractor. Doctors did xrays and a scan on it which showed no damaged bones but obviously the problem is in the tendons. So they checked them by hand and said there's inflammation and its cold. Its tendonitis slowly progressing to tendinosis. Tendonitis is inflammation of the joints. Tendonosis is degrading of the collagen caused by untreated tendonitis.
    They put me on mobic, and tramadol. An anti inflammatory and an opiate pain pill. I asked about the anti inflammatory and i said this is not going to heal it, this is going to make me able to walk, but will also stop the healing process, correct? He said yes, thats with the doctors.
    Chriropractor said i have scoliosis and scapular dysfunction in one shoulder. One shoulder sits higher than the other due to the position of bones and differing tension on the muscles.
    Also, i tried baclofen. Baclofen is a muscle relaxer not a painkiller and raises growth hormone a few hundred percent for several hours after one dose. I took that in higher ammounts and was able to squat more and recover better but i only did it a month. Thus i believe GHRPs would help. Also specefically because theyre ghrelin mimeticks, look up how ghrelin works and youll see that it causes collagen synthes
    EDIT:read abojt peractin, shows promise as a anti inflammitory. Thanks for another option to consider, man. However the course id like to take is not painfree, i need full recovery.

    Also i do feel like im at the end of my rope. I can hardly walk. Im 18 years old. Im not going about this smartly because i spend all day researching, i question everything and look at all areas of a problem? Your logic does not make sense to me, please help me understand, sir, taking a quick glance through my post, reccomending against peptides and saying you dont think im smart for what reason? Morals? Heresay of negative effects? I believe youre looking at me as some "kid", and that alone explains just about every fallacy you have. My personality, age, gender, degree, employment, position, or how much we have in common does not have any bearing on facts. I believe the possible benefits outweigh the risks with these peptides. Yes ive read deeply into the risks too. My aim is to cover new ground. Thanks for your input anyways.
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    certainly you could have added this info to help us understand your issues better. I meant no offence and wasn't calling you stupid. knowing this info helps those of us who might question your approach. my main concern are the side effects and long term issues that are pretty much UNKNOWN with a lot of these peptides.. that's why you cant get a script for a lot of these things. paractin not only helps tremendously with inflammation but it also exhibits COX-2 abilities as well. it has the ability to kill acute pain as well the longer term benefits of an anti inflammatory. no prescription needed.. do a search. lots of awesome feedback on joint help.
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    I understand brotha, I do appreciate the feedback. and appreciate the concern for the side effects. I will keep looking and hopefully more other helpful members can chime in their knowledge. I will definitely look into paractin as well.
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    UPDATE:
    I have been on GHRP 6 and Mod grf-1 (cjc 1295 no dac) and ipamorelin for about 2 weeks. HUGE improvement in my knees. my weight is up 8 pounds, putting me at 155 (heaviest in my whole life), strength is steadily climbing up. Started hack squats again and felt much better after my workout, much less soreness in the tendons.
    I'm pinning 3-5 times a day, as often as possible (3 hours minimum between injections). i usually save ipamorelin at night with the cjc, and ghrp6 and cjc during the day.
    Just ONE problem, my strength shot up so damn fast i nearly doubled my curl reps after already increasing the weight a week before. But on my last rep I was struggling so i went for a negative on the way down. Right in my bicep tendon, near the elbow i felt a stretch and it feels strained now. I can only straighten my arm out sometimes. it's not torn, im not getting much swelling but the pain is there. damn...
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    I made a new thread about my injuries,
    Doctor popped my elbow back into place, now it just hurts. The muscle affected was the radial forearm muscle. Its just a nagging pain and it hurts to extend it and also to move around my wrist.im hoping for a speedy recovery!
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    Quote Originally Posted by factsmachine View Post
    UPDATE:
    I have been on GHRP 6 and Mod grf-1 (cjc 1295 no dac) and ipamorelin for about 2 weeks. HUGE improvement in my knees. my weight is up 8 pounds, putting me at 155 (heaviest in my whole life), strength is steadily climbing up. Started hack squats again and felt much better after my workout, much less soreness in the tendons.
    I'm pinning 3-5 times a day, as often as possible (3 hours minimum between injections). i usually save ipamorelin at night with the cjc, and ghrp6 and cjc during the day..
    Very interesting and thnx for the info. Im going to have to look into these. Im 32 and suffer from bad tendonitis in my elbows, mostly my right. I'm kind of at the end of my rope as well, and have been giving serious consideration to using HGH. Was also considering IGF-1, but from my limited knowledge, read that the GH was better. As for the other peptides, they are way over my head at this point. Pinning GH once a day was enough for me. Pinning 3x/day doesn't sound too enticing.
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    I hope these work out for you man. Actually its funny, needles were my worst fear (kinda still am afraid, but its the bigger needles and going into the muscle that im scared of now since i saw how easy and painless they are) at first it takes a little bit to get used to it but now i think ive had 130 injections, i counted my pins. And its crazy, i did my first mile on the elliptical yesterday. My knees used to be ****ed. I had high hopes for these peptides and thats what i got.
    Dont expect much muscle gain. The only muscle ive gained is from the extra appetite i believe, maybe some extra because gh is anti-catabolic. But there is a small strength increase (dont overdo it with your elbow. I actually overdid it right after my strength went up and pulled something out of place in my arm). Sleep quality is much deeper, and i feel an anti depressant like effect throughout the day it seems like. Could be from sleep idk.

    I did pullups the other day and i feel no pain in my tendon i screwed up. Ill bet that helped it heal faster too. LOVE these peptides.
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    I hope these work out for you man. Actually its funny, needles were my worst fear (kinda still am afraid, but its the bigger needles and going into the muscle that im scared of now since i saw how easy and painless they are) at first it takes a little bit to get used to it but now i think ive had 130 injections, i counted my pins. And its crazy, i did my first mile on the elliptical yesterday. My knees used to be ****ed. I had high hopes for these peptides and thats what i got.
    Dont expect much muscle gain. The only muscle ive gained is from the extra appetite i believe, maybe some extra because gh is anti-catabolic. But there is a small strength increase (dont overdo it with your elbow. I actually overdid it right after my strength went up and pulled something out of place in my arm). Sleep quality is much deeper, and i feel an anti depressant like effect throughout the day it seems like. Could be from sleep idk.

    I did pullups the other day and i feel no pain in my tendon i screwed up. Ill bet that helped it heal faster too. LOVE these peptides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by factsmachine View Post
    I hope these work out for you man. Actually its funny, needles were my worst fear (kinda still am afraid, but its the bigger needles and going into the muscle that im scared of now since i saw how easy and painless they are) at first it takes a little bit to get used to it but now i think ive had 130 injections, i counted my pins. And its crazy, i did my first mile on the elliptical yesterday. My knees used to be ****ed. I had high hopes for these peptides and thats what i got.
    Dont expect much muscle gain. The only muscle ive gained is from the extra appetite i believe, maybe some extra because gh is anti-catabolic. But there is a small strength increase (dont overdo it with your elbow. I actually overdid it right after my strength went up and pulled something out of place in my arm). Sleep quality is much deeper, and i feel an anti depressant like effect throughout the day it seems like. Could be from sleep idk.

    I did pullups the other day and i feel no pain in my tendon i screwed up. Ill bet that helped it heal faster too. LOVE these peptides.

    Yea I think Im gonna give it a shot. I don't know too much about these peptides. I do know that GHRP 6 is supposed to release more GH in your body, so I THINK I can cut the middle man out by taking GH directly.

    How much you are taking daily (not sure if I missed that in your post)?
    I know GH is usually 4-5iu/day for the avg person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spirall08 View Post
    Yea I think Im gonna give it a shot. I don't know too much about these peptides. I do know that GHRP 6 is supposed to release more GH in your body, so I THINK I can cut the middle man out by taking GH directly.

    How much you are taking daily (not sure if I missed that in your post)?
    I know GH is usually 4-5iu/day for the avg person.
    Some people take both ghrp and hgh. Ghrp and ghrh have a limit to how much growth hormone they can release daily, GH administered outside the body doesnt really have a limit. Im pinning atleast 3 times a day, sometimes up to 5. I highly reccomend Mod grf 1-29 and ghrp 2 (ghrp6 if youre like me and like the side effect of CRAZY hunger) drawn into the same pin at 100mcg ghrp6 and 100mcg mod grf1. Read everything you can find on these peptides, google "ghrp" and "ghrp dosing" and you should be able to find everything you need. A user known as datbtrue actually prefers the ghrp and mod grf combo over hgh because the release is natural and doesnt shut down your own production. Also, hgh is EXPENSIVE if youre getting the real ****. Ghrp and mod grf 1 should be good enough to give you what you need from growth hormone at a cheaper cost. Unless youre a pro bodybuilder, then this combo will be fine for you.
  

  
 

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