Weight gain in a month - Trained althlete
- 02-27-2013, 03:25 PM
Weight gain in a month - Trained althlete
Looking for some real world results. What would you think is a normal amount of MASS a TRAINED athlete could put on in say 6 months or a month by proper diet alone, no cycles!!!
Retiring from competitive Powerlifting and want to dabble in Bodybuilding now that I'm no longer locked into a weight class.
I am a seasoned veteran so no novice gains.
I was thinking of setting a goal of 3 pounds a month so 18 in 6 months.
Ill be using a 40/40/20 split diet. And by the time I actually gradually finishes upping my cals from my normal diet I should be around 3500 - 4200/day. Again I know how to diet and nutrition just looking for real world results on other trained athletes.
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- 02-27-2013, 04:42 PM
And what percent of body fat do you normally allow yourself to go up by while bulking? I was thinking 2-4% normally I'm around 12-14%. Never really worried about my body fat with Powerliting that much as I'm not a huge fan of the shredded look for myself. I do eat very lean for the most part with a more relaxed diet on the weekend.
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02-27-2013, 05:13 PM
02-27-2013, 07:05 PM
03-08-2013, 04:28 PM
04-18-2013, 12:15 AM
Question if diet is in check and going well and I think mine is as I'm finally gaining lean mass 3 lbs last month and doing well so far this month.
But if one wanted or needed to added in a weight gain shake what would you suggest? Now I'm rolling my eyes as well as I'm against weight gainers as a whole but due to my work if I was pressed for time I might toss one in like Mutant Mass but usually I don't have this issues. Just thinking outside the box.
04-18-2013, 10:25 AM
3/4 C cream of rice
1-1.25 C water
a medium banana
1.5 TBSP of local honey
Microwaved it a few minutes, stirring a few times in between. Turned out to be about 650 calories or so. Tons of iron and starchy carbs. Good for mass building. Put a typical protein shake with that meal just before bed and you should be gtg for some weight gain!
04-18-2013, 10:45 AM
Weight gainers are a complete waist of time if you ask me, never heard of anyone who got success from them and they cost way to much for what you get. I try and keep my diet all whole food, except maybe one shake a day.
But if you want a good natural weight gainer look up horchata. I add honey instead of sugar and I was taught to add almonds, most online recipes don't. It tastes great and is cheap to make.
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04-18-2013, 11:30 AM
Yeah I totally agree and probably won't. It's just to make a good one without a blender for those rare days that time is tight. I always make my food the night before so again usually all is good.
However I will try that recipe it's sounds yummy. I was just looking for some extra liquid cals with low fat.
So far everything is going well and no need for the gainers and at 3500-4200 cals a day all from whole foods things are coming together.
04-18-2013, 11:50 AM
04-18-2013, 02:35 PM
This is todays Cals: 3,332 Carbs: 408 Fat: 49 Protein: 310
I drive for a living thus I need fast easy meals . . again the WG was just a thought outside of the box
04-18-2013, 02:47 PM
I just started eating more breasts than chicken thighs and I cut out my morning nature bars that i love so much lol thus the difference in cals . . .but I must say I'm enjoying this new journey as its a welcomed changed from my Powerlifting diet when I competed so any suggestions are always appreciated . . again last months cals were at 3900 but the fat was much higher ): lol
04-18-2013, 03:13 PM
04-18-2013, 03:16 PM
04-18-2013, 03:34 PM
04-18-2013, 03:36 PM
04-18-2013, 06:25 PM
Well this is a learning curve to say the least. When I competed I really never worried about my diet that much other than to keep my protein high and make sure I didn't go to far over my comp weight. But now that I'm not locked in. I can try new things. It's fun and interesting. A change was needed.
Thus why I'm looking for stuff to blend up or just add water should I need a few extra cals per day. Hmmm? Must go surf recipes lol
04-18-2013, 06:26 PM
Eh, not so much the anabolic diet on purpose, I just prefer eating that way not a huge fan of the grain based carbs anymore, so its pretty much mostly from vegetables + fruits
04-18-2013, 06:29 PM
04-18-2013, 07:55 PM
yeah, i'm not anal about macros either. I have a minimum threshold of protein, minimal threshold of healthy fats and then where the rest comes from, who cares. usually its more protein and fats, but there are carb heavy days now and then
04-19-2013, 10:47 AM
There are dozens of ways to get the job done. At the end of the day the most important part that cannot be skipped or reduced is intensity and cardio. Those cause muscle growth and fat loss, if done frequently enough. You just have to be a machine to get a rock hard body.
There aren't many endo & mesomorphs on this board that will support your high carb/low fat diet. They don't have frames like us so they don't understand what it takes for muscle growth of an ecto & small framed men. We aren't 6'0 and we don't weigh 220lbs eating 1500 calories a day.
Our metabolisms are unusually high.
With that said, I'm sure the 50% carbs helps your training tremendously, which is where it counts when you are trying to pack on mass. A constant anabolic state! My suggestion is to keep your diet like it is. 20% fats is plenty to remain healthy. At my peak health, I was eating 10% in fats, the rest in protein and carbs. I know, I know. The fat advocates will scream and holler about it like its a big no no. I say let em holler about it. Who cares. Besides, its not like I wasnt getting enough "healthy fats" in my diet. I supplemented Omega 3's & 6's everyday.
To keep fat gain at bay, be sure to do some high intensity cardio, like sprints or laps in a swimming pool, for about 15-20 minutes 3 to 4 times per week; first thing in the AM before breakfast. And include a BCAA drink with Creatine during cardio. You do that, and you can guarantee that what you add is mainly muscle mass.
04-19-2013, 11:20 PM
Yup I need more carbs. I've tried to low carb stuff I was flat and tired during training. Even tried different combos with fast and slow carbs. Nothing. But at 50% I feel great and my muscles are full all day. My family is large so it easy for me to pack on fat. So like I said my current ratios are working wonderfully. I do cycle them throughout the week with spikes in cals or carbs depending on the day but the fat is usually the same. I also mix in flax seed oil now when it's lower than I like.
Not out to get on stage anytime soon but my fiancÚ likes my look so at the end of the day that's all that really matters to me.
I get blood work done on a regular basis to make sure everything is where it should be and the extra protein isn't stressing my kidneys.
Like I said this is a new journey for me and one I'm enjoying this far.
I do however need to pick up some BCAA's so TY for reminding me.
IYO for our frames is there a limit for daily protein, in grams? Or again is it a personal thing one has to play around with. As most days I'm well into the 300's with my salmon and chicken and shakes throughout the day.
Thanks again everyone. This has been as informative thread.
04-20-2013, 02:42 AM
Oh and one more random thought.
What is everyone's feeling on Genetic Potential? With respect to the amount of weight a person can add to there frame minus any cycles of course.
04-20-2013, 12:55 PM
04-22-2013, 11:28 AM
04-22-2013, 11:35 AM
If you have a high presence of protein at every meal, you'll have a lower & slower insulin response versus an extremely high carb intake and low protein intake. This alone makes it worthwhile to include a large portion of meat protein at every meal. Furthermore, the less insulin you have in your system, the sooner glucagon will be released in your system, thus, increasing your fat burning activity.
It's a simple concept really that gets watered-down by the anti-carb movements commonly seen on the internet and TV.
For cutting, a 1:1 ratio of protein:carbs is ideal at every meal. This makes for good fat loss efforts without the loss of muscle mass. And as for protein amounts, I also say that you don't need anymore than 1.5g/lb of mass. This is plenty. Beyond that number you can focus on getting quality amino acids like BCAA's & quality iron supplements to help along your efforts at buidling muscle mass.
04-22-2013, 06:22 PM
Well since this has been such an interesting thread let me ask this question for everyone's opinion.
How long do u usually bulk for and was it different when u first started?
I was going to do a 6 month bulk followed by a small cut
04-23-2013, 10:18 AM
Obviously I believe that in our case, bulking more months out of the year than cutting is ideal, since weight gain and muscle mass come harder than staying lean. Perhaps for every 4 weeks of bulking, you could have 2 weeks of cutting.
So 8 months of bulking, 4 months of cutting year round. Only I would break those up into 2 month bulking phases followed by 1 month cutting phase.
Bulking phase goal is 1lb of mass per week for 8 weeks. So 8lb gain.
Cutting phase goal is 1lb of mass per week for 4 weeks. So a 4lb net loss.
Ideally, you would have about 7-8lbs of lean mass gains and 4lbs of fat loss w/ a net increase of 4lbs total over 3 months. Granted, in reality you might only walk away with 2-3lbs of total lean mass increase but you get the point. Over the course of the year you might see as much as 16lbs of lean mass gained and 8lbs of fat loss. The toggle approach like this is actually not a bad one but requires patience.
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